Former Bill, Marcellus Wiley accused of rape

[TheBrownBear]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

"The victim, a Barnard student, later reported the incident to a Columbia University administrator who urged her not to file a criminal complaint and that if she pursued one, Jane Doe “would be known as the girl who destroyed a black man’s NFL dream.”

 

 

all you had to do was read the article...

There are now three women and they all allegedly reported the incidents to Columbia administrators.

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

when I see it was over 30 years ago. I'm very skeptical. very.

 

I'm not.  I know women who were raped and never reported it.

[Toomstone.Part.Duex]

Wiley just signed w the Chiefs. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

10 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I'm not.  I know women who were raped and never reported it.

Same. Alcohol plus vulnerability = shame and scars. 

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

And i actually agree with a large portion of this......

 

If the allegations are false and people are "gold diggers", then why come after the guy 30 years later when he probably doesn't have too much of a pot to piss in. I mean, you'd probably want to go after him when he was actually earning a significant NFL paycheck.

 

So, all of this is just screaming to me that these women do have some validation that "something" happened 30 years ago and my thinking is that i would tend to lean to this mindset.

I can't see too many women coming forward with a false narrative, looking for a free handout from a guy with probably very little money left when his NFL heyday would have been the time to do it, so it tells me these women may actually have a point of rightful allegation of one point or other. 

The longer it takes for women to come out, the harder they are to believe. And him being an ex NFL player, you don't think he has somewhat of a nice nest egg? Maybe the women themselves have been in better financial situations over the last 30 years. A lot can happen to people in that time. Someone may be financially stable at one point in their life and then for a number of reasons, something happens and they become desperate for money. I personally feel the smartest thing for any woman to do is report is as soon as possible. If he did this to 10 different women at the same time and not one says something over 30 years and then boom he is hit with 10 all at once 30 years later, it just screams money grab to me. Maybe it isn't but I do agree, woman should come out sooner

[Orlando Buffalo]

This is why statue of limitations exist, there is no way to prove he did it, there is also no way for him to get his good name back. even if 25 women now come out with similar stories you won't convince me they are not just piggy backing off each other for a payday. 95% of women would not make this accusation if not true but there are some who do. I will also state that these would not be the first women who decided it was rape after the guy slept with them and then ignored them.

[ddaryl]

31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

"The victim, a Barnard student, later reported the incident to a Columbia University administrator who urged her not to file a criminal complaint and that if she pursued one, Jane Doe “would be known as the girl who destroyed a black man’s NFL dream.”

 

 

all you had to do was read the article...

Yes I did not read the article, and was not going to read it. 30 years later stuck out for me. Still its 30 years, and I'm always skeptical of accusations that happen this far down the line.

The Columbia University Administrator if still alive needs to be put on the stand of course. SInce no complaint was filed it would be word against word 

 

[SF Bills Fan]

My who buddy played football with him at Columbia and said that the take back the night vigil at Columbia was referred to by some as Marcellus Wiley Night. 

[Simon]

6 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said:

My who buddy played football with him at Columbia and said that the take back the night vigil at Columbia was referred to by some as Marcellus Wiley Night.

 

If true, that is an eye opener. 

 

Edit: Just to clarify, I don't mean to imply you're lying or making something up. Just that it's a third-hand account of something that happened three decades ago.

[ddaryl]

32 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

There are now three women and they all allegedly reported the incidents to Columbia administrators.

Well I sincerely hope these Administrators are still alive and get put on the stand.

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

"That's immaterial to whether not he's innocent in this particular instance."

 

I don't understand this.  We should encourage people to make accusations of rape whether or not the guy is innocent?  We only need to go back 2 years to Matt Araiza to see the consequences of this sort of attitude.  Matt Araiza lost two years of his career and his reputation because a woman lied about being raped by him. 

 

For point of reference, the FBI says the 8% of all rape accusations are PROVEN false.  That isn't that the accused was not convicted because there was a reasonable doubt about his guilt...it's that it was proven that the accuser was wrong or lying in making the accusation in the first place.

 

As far as the support structure in the 90s versus today, when has there ever been a reluctance to believe rape accusations?  If your claim was about something like sexual harassment, I'd probably agree with you that society has changed for the better.  But rape?  It used to be a capital crime.  Men used to be executed for raping a woman-that's how seriously it has always been taken.

 

I believe that reluctance to come forward with a rape accusation today is more a product of the situation not being rape as traditionally understood.  I think these situations are more an instance of drunken hook ups with next day regret in which the accuser shares culpability with the accused.

 

 

 

You start off with some facts (FBI stats) then devolve into speculation.  

 

There are no stats that I know of measuring how many women bring false accusations because of buyer's remorse but they would be a subcategory of the 8% who bring unfounded allegations.   So it's less than 8%.  

 

Unfortunately, I think the myth of buyer's remorse both encourages rapists (they have a ready-made excuse) and discourages women from reporting real instances of forcible rape. 

 

[TheBrownBear]

20 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

You start off with some facts (FBI stats) then devolve into speculation.  

 

There are no stats that I know of measuring how many women bring false accusations because of buyer's remorse but they would be a subcategory of the 8% who bring unfounded allegations.   So it's less than 8%.  

 

Unfortunately, I think the myth of buyer's remorse both encourages rapists (they have a ready-made excuse) and discourages women from reporting real instances of forcible rape. 

 

I mean, I'm sure it happens, but it remains that 92% of rape cases are not proven false.  My wife worked in a rape crisis center.  She dealt with young woman after young woman in extreme emotional distress with clear physical evidence of rape/abuse.  These women should always be made to feel safe to report their attacks. 

[machine gun kelly]

4 hours ago, ddaryl said:

@loyal2dagame  Why the vomit emoji for what I posted. Why did these women not come out sooner with the acusation ????
same goes to you @Bruffalo

all I said is they needed to come forward sooner not over 30 years later.  How are you going to prove this at this point? There will have to be witnesses

Daryl, it’s because it takes some rape victims decades to create the courage to admit a horrible event.  My current wife was raped by her husband and beaten and not one human being knows it, but me, and she had to truly trust me to admit it, and her parents her kids don’t even know what he did to his mother.

 

If you’re suspicious, ok, as the statute of limitations is up so no rape kit, and he gets away with it.  To defame the victims, if they were victims is not something I agree with in anyway.

 

Hey, maybe they are lying for a payday, but more likely he did it.  These women deserve a little respect.  I’m sorry if that doesn’t compute with you.  If my wife, my daughter, my sisters ever admitted something like this, I’d be there to hold their hand and demonstrate I love them.  Just remember you have a mom.  What if it was her and she couldn’t admit it for 50 years, but finally came out about such vile abuse.  Hurting women and children are events in my eyes punished if confirmed by death or castration.

 

Im sorry bud, as I know in many other posts you’re a good Bills fan, but anytime a woman admits something terrible happened, is just a tragedy.  BTW, it was 14 years ago for my wife, and she finally told me this year.  I cried for her.  This guy better never visit the states as my wife is Chinese.  You know what I’ll do.

[TheBrownBear]

39 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said:

My who buddy played football with him at Columbia and said that the take back the night vigil at Columbia was referred to by some as Marcellus Wiley Night. 

As someone who attended a bigtime college sports school in the 90's, knew many athletes and a lot of the girls who had interactions with them, I can say with certainty that there were a few BMOCs who thought they were entitled to sex with whomever they wanted and often pushed various lengths past what we'd consider "consent" today.

[Johnny Bravo]

33 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

You start off with some facts (FBI stats) then devolve into speculation.  

 

There are no stats that I know of measuring how many women bring false accusations because of buyer's remorse but they would be a subcategory of the 8% who bring unfounded allegations.   So it's less than 8%.  

 

Unfortunately, I think the myth of buyer's remorse both encourages rapists (they have a ready-made excuse) and discourages women from reporting real instances of forcible rape. 

 

Is buyer's remorse a myth or is that just speculation?

 

Look, women sometimes lie about being raped for all sorts of reasons.  I can tell you what percentage of liars lie for each particular set of reason. 

 

We do know that 8% of all rape allegations are PROVEN false (again not just a failure to convict).  That is astounding whether that is 8% that are completely made up, 8% that are just errors by the accuser, or some combination of those and other reasons.  My point remains the same-we need to skeptical-especially when three are other factors like three decades since the alleged events, seeking a civil versus criminal tral, etc.

[Simon]

3 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

I believe that reluctance to come forward with a rape accusation today is more a product of the situation not being rape as traditionally understood.  I think these situations are more an instance of drunken hook ups with next day regret in which the accuser shares culpability with the accused.

 

This is exactly what Johnny Bravo would say 

[Johnny Bravo]

9 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Daryl, it’s because it takes some rape victims decades to create the courage to admit a horrible event.  My current wife was raped by her husband and beaten and not one human being knows it, but me, and she had to truly trust me to admit it, and her parents her kids don’t even know what he did to his mother.

 

If you’re suspicious, ok, as the statute of limitations is up so no rape kit, and he gets away with it.  To defame the victims, if they were victims is not something I agree with in anyway.

 

Hey, maybe they are lying for a payday, but more likely he did it.  These women deserve a little respect.  I’m sorry if that doesn’t compute with you.  If my wife, my daughter, my sisters ever admitted something like this, I’d be there to hold their hand and demonstrate I love them.  Just remember you have a mom.  What if it was her and she couldn’t admit it for 50 years, but finally came out about such vile abuse.  Hurting women and children are events in my eyes punished if confirmed by death or castration.

 

Im sorry bud, as I know in many other posts you’re a good Bills fan, but anytime a woman admits something terrible happened, is just a tragedy.  BTW, it was 14 years ago for my wife, and she finally told me this year.  I cried for her.  This guy better never visit the states as my wife is Chinese.  You know what I’ll do.

This is the problem.  You are saying "he gets away with it" referring to the women as "victims", etc as though you know the events happened as alleged.

 

Araiza's case proves the problem with this sort of thinking.  Women are people and therefore some lie, some are mistaken, etc.  Even our moms, even our sisters, wives, etc.

 

Let's see how the case goes, what evidence is presented at the civil trial, etc.  But let's not convict Wiley in the court of public opinion based just on the fact that he was accused of something.  Especially when that accusation is contrary to what we have seen about his character for almost 30 years now. 

[SF Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

If true, that is an eye opener. 

 

Edit: Just to clarify, I don't mean to imply you're lying or making something up. Just that it's a third-hand account of something that happened three decades ago.

I get what your are saying- he told me this long ago when Marcellus was playing for us. It stuck with me, though. Every time I've seen him on TV since it pops in my head. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Johnny Bravo said:

Especially when that accusation is contrary to what we have seen about his character for almost 30 years now. 

 

Your assumption that Marcellus Wiley is a man of high character is equally as spurious as the assumptions being made by others that you are arguing against.

[machine gun kelly]

1 minute ago, Johnny Bravo said:

This is the problem.  You are saying "he gets away with it" referring to the women as "victims", etc as though you know the events happened as alleged.

 

Araiza's case proves the problem with this sort of thinking.  Women are people and therefore some lie, some are mistaken, etc.  Even our moms, even our sisters, wives, etc.

 

Let's see how the case goes, what evidence is presented at the civil trial, etc.  But let's not convict Wiley in the court of public opinion based just on the fact that he was accused of something.  Especially when that accusation is contrary to what we have seen about his character for almost 30 years now. 

JB, maybe a poor choice of words, but has others have pointed out 92% of rape allegations are eventually proven to be true.  I know about Ariaza, but two independent persons?  With that said, I agree, Let it play out.  My point was simply don’t accuse the women as if they were lying when none of us know.  That’s the same with all legal cases which is why I was skeptical and never made horrible statements about Ariaza.  I’m also saying if Wiley didn’t do. It, it will come out.  But I’m not going to dismiss a woman just because it took the, a long time.