Former Bill, Marcellus Wiley accused of rape

[Pecker]

What older famous person hasn’t been accused of rape at this point. 

[Simon]

  On 3/21/2025 at 10:05 PM, Johnny Bravo said:

The people who demanded that the accuser be believed then are demanding the same thing now.

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Could you please name all the people in this thread that are demanding that the accuser be believed?

[Mr. WEO]

  On 3/21/2025 at 9:43 PM, SoCal Deek said:

Then why file a lawsuit? Why not just resign yourself to the fact that something happened? Nobody is going to convince me that bringing a lawsuit THIRTY years after you allege something happened to you is OK. It’s ridiculous! 

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What's the ridiculous part?  You're position is that she waited too long--and now she should just live with it because.....well, it's been a really long time.  Just leave the guy alone, right?

 

That's not "ridiculous"?  Is that what you would tell your wife or daughter?  Leave the guy alone, it's just been too long.  Take it to your grave?

[Breakout Squad]

This thread is crazy. At least the troll has disappeared.

 

I think we need to be compassionate and understanding of women that have gone through sexual violence. Judging their actions afterwards isn’t appropriate. That’s just my opinion. 

[Big Turk]

30+ years ago? C'mon...this is starting to just get ridiculous now.

[Johnny Bravo]

  On 3/21/2025 at 11:30 PM, Simon said:

 

Could you please name all the people in this thread that are demanding that the accuser be believed?

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Nobody is.  I’m crazy.

 

I thought I was called a misogynist and labeled as ignorant for saying there are reasons to be skeptical of the accusations (not even that those accusations are false, just that there are legitimate questions about them that need to be answered), but I was mistaken.  
 

Sarcasm aside, the syntax of the words used doesn’t matter.  It is obvious that to some people in this chat, there is only one acceptable way to think about this issue and to treat the accusation. 

[Johnny Bravo]

  On 3/22/2025 at 1:17 AM, Breakout Squad said:

This thread is crazy. At least the troll has disappeared.

 

I think we need to be compassionate and understanding of women that have gone through sexual violence. Judging their actions afterwards isn’t appropriate. That’s just my opinion. 

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Who is saying otherwise?  Of course victims of sexual violence should be treated with compassion.  That isn’t the question here.  The question is whether these women are actually victims of sexual violence just because they say they are.
 

None of us know these women or Wiley.  All we know is what they said and what he said.  We don’t have any obligation to treat the women as victims or to treat Wiley as an innocent man falsely accused based on their respective say-sos.

[Doc Brown]

  On 3/22/2025 at 1:34 AM, Big Turk said:

30+ years ago? C'mon...this is starting to just get ridiculous now.

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Leave Jerry Jones out of this.

[Shamrock]

  On 3/20/2025 at 2:01 PM, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

There's a huge difference in support structure. Look at what happened with the Catholic Church. Many even did come forward at the time and were either hushed up, weren't taken seriously, or brushed under the rug because of how powerful it was at the time. Or someone like Harvey Weinstein. And specifically in sports we've seen how powerful coaches and administrators can make things go away, like at Penn St. 

 

I agree that it does absolutely exist where women make these claims for money or exploitation and that should be dealt with harshly if it's proven. But I also think there are reasons for why people don't come forward at the time. Maybe sometimes it takes for them to meet someone else who went through the same thing, I don't know. But I would say things are different now. 

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Try also UK paedo rings. Police and Govt. conspired to cover that up.

[Simon]

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:18 AM, Johnny Bravo said:

Nobody is.  I’m crazy.

 

I thought I was called a misogynist and labeled as ignorant for saying there are reasons to be skeptical of the accusations (not even that those accusations are false, just that there are legitimate questions about them that need to be answered), but I was mistaken.  
 

Sarcasm aside, the syntax of the words used doesn’t matter.  It is obvious that to some people in this chat, there is only one acceptable way to think about this issue and to treat the accusation. 

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Thank you for letting us know that you couldn't find one single person here who is demanding that she be believed, even though that is what you claim you are repeatedly railing against. Since you freely admit that this is not happening here, perhaps you should go repeatedly complain about this problem in a place where it actually exists.

In the future, if there are any other transgressions of which nobody in this community is guilty, I'd image folks here would appreciate not being accused of them. Repeatedly.

[Bill from NYC]

  On 3/20/2025 at 3:13 PM, julian said:

I know todays NFL salaries are incredibly insane, but Wiley still has a net worth North of 5M, that’s more than 99% of the population and still plenty enough of pot to piss in for a wrongdoer to take advantage of.

 

 That being said, who the fawk knows these days. Hopefully the truth prevails, Shannon Sharp just a couple days ago stated he won’t even get into an elevator alone with a women lol.

 

 Probably good advice for men who have resources and notoriety.

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For the sake of this post, I am going to assume that his two accusers might be Columbia graduates. If so, the possibility exists that they might be worth more than 5 million dollars each. A college degree was much more of a ticket to success 30 years ago than it is today. An Ivy League degree was gold.

 

I don't know the facts of the case and refuse to speculate innocence or guilt. What I will say is that some great athletes are accustomed to getting their way. It has now come full circle with college players being given Lamborghinis to play on a football team, but; this mentality didn't just start. 

 

I don't know if Wiley is guilty. None of us do but I refuse to cast and aspersions on these women for coming forward. I hope that the truth prevails.

[Breakout Squad]

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:26 AM, Johnny Bravo said:

Who is saying otherwise?  Of course victims of sexual violence should be treated with compassion.  That isn’t the question here.  The question is whether these women are actually victims of sexual violence just because they say they are.
 

None of us know these women or Wiley.  All we know is what they said and what he said.  We don’t have any obligation to treat the women as victims or to treat Wiley as an innocent man falsely accused based on their respective say-sos.

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But why would you question if they are actual victims?  It sounds like you are unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt. I just don’t get why people are so worked up about the women waiting so long. A lot has changed in society in 30 years. 

[SoCal Deek]

  On 3/22/2025 at 1:14 PM, Breakout Squad said:

But why would you question if they are actual victims?  It sounds like you are unwilling to give them the benefit of the doubt. I just don’t get why people are so worked up about the women waiting so long. A lot has changed in society in 30 years. 

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Not to get too wonky but in this country it’s the accused, not the accuser, that gets the benefit of the doubt. Our entire system of justice is based on it. 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 3/22/2025 at 3:18 AM, Johnny Bravo said:

Nobody is.  I’m crazy.

 

I thought I was called a misogynist and labeled as ignorant for saying there are reasons to be skeptical of the accusations (not even that those accusations are false, just that there are legitimate questions about them that need to be answered), but I was mistaken.  
 

Sarcasm aside, the syntax of the words used doesn’t matter.  It is obvious that to some people in this chat, there is only one acceptable way to think about this issue and to treat the accusation. 

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list all the legitimate questions you have other than "why wait 30 years"...

[Johnny Bravo]

  On 3/22/2025 at 1:59 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

list all the legitimate questions you have other than "why wait 30 years"...

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Well first off, to me why wait 30 years is a huge question.  Let’s not just dismiss that.  It’s like saying besides the eyewitnesses and DNA, what evidence do you have that I committed the murder? 
 

Why a civil trial, where you can be awarded money and have a lower burden of proof than a criminal trial where Wiley could actually face jail time?

 

Thats really it.

 

I don’t have 100 questions.  I don’t need 100 questions because my point  isn’t that Wiley is innocent and that these women are liars.  My point is about the reaction to even asking these questions…the accusations and name calling against guys who ask them is ridiculous and tantamount to demand to believe the women because of the seriousness of their charges.

 

 

[PastaJoe]

  On 3/21/2025 at 11:18 PM, Pecker said:

What older famous person hasn’t been accused of rape at this point. 

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Pope Francis and Dick Van *****.

 

If Law & Order: SVU has taught us anything, it’s that older cases can be proven, especially if there are multiple victims that can corroborate the facts.

[Mr. WEO]

  On 3/22/2025 at 2:45 PM, Johnny Bravo said:

Well first off, to me why wait 30 years is a huge question.  Let’s not just dismiss that.  It’s like saying besides the eyewitnesses and DNA, what evidence do you have that I committed the murder? 
 

Why a civil trial, where you can be awarded money and have a lower burden of proof than a criminal trial where Wiley could actually face jail time?

 

Thats really it.

 

I don’t have 100 questions.  I don’t need 100 questions because my point  isn’t that Wiley is innocent and that these women are liars.  My point is about the reaction to even asking these questions…the accusations and name calling against guys who ask them is ridiculous and tantamount to demand to believe the women because of the seriousness of their charges.

 

 

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so the 30 years is pretty much all you can come up with.  now we understand...

[Augie]

  On 3/21/2025 at 11:18 PM, Pecker said:

What older famous person hasn’t been accused of rape at this point. 

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Almost all of them, although it may feel differently at times. 

[Johnny Bravo]

  On 3/22/2025 at 2:59 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

so the 30 years is pretty much all you can come up with.  now we understand...

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I really try to be respectful, but your statement absolves me of that responsibility.  So thank you.

 

Obviously you can read since you are on a message board.  It’s comprehension (which really is the main point of reading) where you struggle.  Or you’re just a snarky jerk.

 

I listed a second question.  I also explained (patiently) that my point is NOT about what I believe regarding the truth of the allegations made against Wiley.  My argument is about whether we should be able to ask questions about those questions-whether it is one, two, or one hundred.

 

It’s obvious that you don’t think we should ask any questions, we should just believe whatever allegations are thrown out.  
 

I suppose that is much easier to live that way than it is to have to think and examine things critically.  So explain to me again why we should accept the allegations made against Matt Araiza.

[Pecker]

  On 3/22/2025 at 2:55 PM, PastaJoe said:

Pope Francis and Dick Van *****.

 

If Law & Order: SVU has taught us anything, it’s that older cases can be proven, especially if there are multiple victims that can corroborate the facts.

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Or usually, a scam artist can use the details of another alleged victims claim, and copy it, to make their claim seem more legit.

 

””OMG! Her claims are so similar to the other woman’s claims! Both must be true!”