Jauronimo Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 6:34 PM, thronethinker said: Is it coincidence that all of this gets brought up right after his public spat with Ryan Clark? In the end that whole situation was because Marcellus wasn’t lock step with what others thought he should be with the MVP debate. Expand Accusations of rape were brought up as retaliation of supporting Allen over Lamar? That is what you're suggesting? 1 2 Quote
Augie Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 6:28 PM, SoCal Deek said: So someone can wait just to see if someone they met a long time ago comes into money and then bring a suit alleging that something happened THREE DECADES ago. Wonderful. Expand He came into money about 28 years ago. Maybe, just maybe, this isn’t just about money. I know people who have had traumas follow them. It’s not simple, and it wasn’t about money. Why is there an immediate assumption that they are gold diggers? 1 Quote
Johnny Bravo Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 3:22 PM, Simon said: Exactly Expand It's pretty weak sauce to quote one part of my post without the supporting context. In fact, it's more work to select only a portion of the quote, so I guess that wasn't accidental. If the evidence doesn't support @Simon's point, I guess you are okay with just changing the evidence. Well done, you win🙄 Quote
Gugny Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 6:34 PM, thronethinker said: Is it coincidence that all of this gets brought up right after his public spat with Ryan Clark? In the end that whole situation was because Marcellus wasn’t lock step with what others thought he should be with the MVP debate. Expand Yeah, there’s no way a woman could have been raped. That’s preposterous. 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 6:28 PM, SoCal Deek said: So someone can wait just to see if someone they met a long time ago comes into money and then bring a suit alleging that something happened THREE DECADES ago. Wonderful. Expand his money is likely nearly gone, so no your scenario is improbable Quote
SoCal Deek Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 6:44 PM, Augie said: He came into money about 28 years ago. Maybe, just maybe, this isn’t just about money. I know people who have had traumas follow them. It’s not simple, and it wasn’t about money. Why is there an immediate assumption that they are gold diggers? Expand Augie….I didn’t say that’s what it’s about. I simply posed the scenario as a hypothetical that I figured people could relate to. Quote
Augie Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) On 3/21/2025 at 8:13 PM, SoCal Deek said: Augie….I didn’t say that’s what it’s about. I simply posed the scenario as a hypothetical that I figured people could relate to. Expand I’m sorry if that sounded like I was accusing you personally. It just seems there’s a lot of gold digger talk. If they are really after his money, why didn’t they go after him when he got the big contract in 1997. You’re the one who brought up waiting 30 years until someone came into money. That’s not what happened here. The laws are as they are for a reason. The problem, of course, is proving anything after all that time. . Edited March 21 by Augie Quote
thronethinker Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 6:53 PM, Gugny said: Yeah, there’s no way a woman could have been raped. That’s preposterous. Expand Never said she didn’t get raped. Quote
SoCal Deek Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 8:21 PM, Augie said: I’m sorry if that sounded like I was accusing you personally. It just seems there’s a lot of gold digger talk. If they are really after his money, why didn’t they go after him when he got the big contract in 1997. You’re the one who brought up waiting 30 years until someone came into money. That’s not what happened here. The laws are as they are for a reason. The problem, of course, is proving anything after all that time. . Expand Could it be because a civil suit is all about collecting money? Just sayin! Quote
Augie Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 9:31 PM, SoCal Deek said: Could it be because a civil suit is all about collecting money? Just sayin! Expand Then why wait? You don’t have to wait 30 years to file a civil lawsuit. He got paid in 1997. They could have had their money a long time ago. Could it be that they were truly traumatized? Could it be that they needed time to heal and grow strong enough to talk about it? 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 9:36 PM, Augie said: Then why wait? You don’t have to wait 30 years to file a civil lawsuit. He got paid in 1997. They could have had their money a long time ago. Could it be that they were truly traumatized? Could it be that they needed time to heal and grow strong enough to talk about it? Expand Then why file a lawsuit? Why not just resign yourself to the fact that something happened? Nobody is going to convince me that bringing a lawsuit THIRTY years after you allege something happened to you is OK. It’s ridiculous! Quote
Augie Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) On 3/21/2025 at 9:43 PM, SoCal Deek said: Then why file a lawsuit? Why not just resign yourself to the fact that something happened? Nobody is going to convince me that bringing a lawsuit THIRTY years after you allege something happened to you is OK. It’s ridiculous! Expand Well then, I feel that some offenses are so heinous that they deserve justice, if only 15 minutes of public scorn. We can just disagree. Where did you stand on the whole Bill Cosby thing? Was that water under the bridge too? . Edited March 21 by Augie 1 Quote
Johnny Bravo Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 9:36 PM, Augie said: Then why wait? You don’t have to wait 30 years to file a civil lawsuit. He got paid in 1997. They could have had their money a long time ago. Could it be that they were truly traumatized? Could it be that they needed time to heal and grow strong enough to talk about it? Expand You are asking “why wait” as though there are no plausible reasons beside trauma. I’m not saying this is what happened, but it’s what could have happened… Maybe now our culture is full of people predisposed to believe any accusation regardless of the absence of any evidence. And they will shout down and shame anyone who even questions their claims. So the climate is much more conducive to making that claim now. This thread is full of people saying the same things now about people questioning the claims of Wiley’s accuser that they did about people question Matt Araiza’s accuser. Now we KNOW that she wasn’t telling the truth, but if Araiza hadn’t stopped at an ATM that night he could be in jail. It is frustrating because there is no humility or introspection about past rushes to judgement, just more of the same preaching against apostates who even dare to raise questions about these new claims. Quote
Augie Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 9:48 PM, Johnny Bravo said: You are asking “why wait” as though there are no plausible reasons beside trauma. I’m not saying this is what happened, but it’s what could have happened… Maybe now our culture is full of people predisposed to believe any accusation regardless of the absence of any evidence. And they will shout down and shame anyone who even questions their claims. So the climate is much more conducive to making that claim now. This thread is full of people saying the same things now about people questioning the claims of Wiley’s accuser that they did about people question Matt Araiza’s accuser. Now we KNOW that she wasn’t telling the truth, but if Araiza hadn’t stopped at an ATM that night he could be in jail. It is frustrating because there is no humility or introspection about past rushes to judgement, just more of the same preaching against apostates who even dare to raise questions about these new claims. Expand I’m sorry, I think that made me a little dizzy….. 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 9:48 PM, Johnny Bravo said: You are asking “why wait” as though there are no plausible reasons beside trauma. I’m not saying this is what happened, but it’s what could have happened… Maybe now our culture is full of people predisposed to believe any accusation regardless of the absence of any evidence. And they will shout down and shame anyone who even questions their claims. So the climate is much more conducive to making that claim now. This thread is full of people saying the same things now about people questioning the claims of Wiley’s accuser that they did about people question Matt Araiza’s accuser. Now we KNOW that she wasn’t telling the truth, but if Araiza hadn’t stopped at an ATM that night he could be in jail. It is frustrating because there is no humility or introspection about past rushes to judgement, just more of the same preaching against apostates who even dare to raise questions about these new claims. Expand You got me there. I have absolutely no idea where you went there. On 3/21/2025 at 9:46 PM, Augie said: Well then, I feel that some offenses are so heinous that they deserve justice, if only 15 minutes of public scorn. We can just disagree. Where did you stand on the whole Bill Cosby thing? Was that water under the bridge too? . Expand My opinion is pretty much the same. Why wait thirty years to accuse anyone? No matter who it is. Quote
Johnny Bravo Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 9:46 PM, Augie said: Well then, I feel that some offenses are so heinous that they deserve justice, if only 15 minutes of public scorn. We can just disagree. Where did you stand on the whole Bill Cosby thing? Was that water under the bridge too? . Expand I will admit I was skeptical of Cosby’s accusers too for many of the same reasons I am skeptical now. I changed my opinion as we learned more about the case-particularly his testimony in his civil case. The lesson from Cosby and Araiza is to be humble, admit we don’t know everything, scrutinize the claims, and learn the facts before we form an opinion. My skepticism about the current claims isn’t my opinion about Wiley’s guilt or innocence, it is just a hurdle that the evidence presented at trial will have to overcome. Quote
Johnny Bravo Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/21/2025 at 9:53 PM, SoCal Deek said: You got me there. I have absolutely no idea where you went there. Expand That’s odd. I didn’t think it would be hard to follow. I’ll try again. There was a past similar case to this one discussed on this message board. We know now that the accuser made up that entire account. The people who demanded that the accuser be believed then are demanding the same thing now. Worse, they still accuse anyone who even raises questions about the allegations of all order of misogyny, ignorance, etc. 1 Quote
BringBackFergy Posted March 21 Posted March 21 Soooo f’ing amazing that you guys spend more than 5 minutes on this story. Nobody knows what happened. Let the court system figure it out. Meanwhile, one side blames another side, people get banned/suspended, over something without concrete facts. Tiring. 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/20/2025 at 12:21 PM, ddaryl said: in 1994 ??? these women need to come forward a lot sooner then 3 decades later. Expand Yeeeep. I know isht like this happens, but if you wait 30 years to do something the cops cant prove or disprove anything. Im not for tearing down peoples reputations without them being given a chance to fight....... in court these girls have no chance. In public Marcell is now a "rap-e-ist" in a non-insignigicant amount of peoples eyes. Test: find someone to do the 1 word association game with and say "Duke lacrosse". Those boys were COMPLETELY exonerated 100%. Were on a sports forum, and I bet someone reading this right now is thinking "they were?" Yes, they were. The accuser is in jail for killing her bf. IDK how we solve the problem, but I know 30years is too long. i also know when 2 drunk adults meet at the bar and consensually get down; one party doesnt get to wake up/change mind their mind retroactively after the fact, and say the other is an R-word. The bar to use that word is so low now, that it doesnt mean anything to hear anymore. That word used to be able to insta-mute a whole room of people, just by showing up Quote
Johnnycage46 Posted March 21 Posted March 21 This thread is really shining a light on some folks. It's actually super helpful going forward! 1 Quote
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