Former Bill, Marcellus Wiley accused of rape

[2003Contenders]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:04 AM, Another Fan said:

I have to admit I don't remember him very much as a player 

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He was Bruce's understudy his first couple of years in the league. In 2000, the season after Bruce/Andre/Thurman were unceremoniously released, Wiley moved into the starting position and played pretty well in a contract year. When John Butler headed to San Diego the following off-season he snagged Wiley as a free agent. Even when he was backing Bruce up, he was a favorite of reporters' for quotes as he was very engaging and articulate -- which stands to reason, coming from Columbia, I guess.

[ddaryl]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:26 AM, BillytheKid said:

I agree with this. This stuff is getting ridiculous at this point. 
 

Either come out with it in a reasonable amount of time or get over it. 
 

Who knows if it’s even true. 
 

Just like Trevor Bauer got screwed over by that girl for lying about everything and now he can’t get back in to the MLB which is complete BS.

 

Ariza the punter got screwed because he was accused of the same thing. The whole Duke Lacrosse team.

 

If these women want to accuse and it ends up not being true they should have to serve the same amount of time or the crime they lied about. So in this case if they are lying they should go to jail for rape charges. 
 

If he did it then obviously he needs to pay for it as well. Don’t see how you can prove much 30 years later though. 

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My issue is because the woman waited so long how many other women had to suffer ?

I understand the counter arguments, and if Columbia Admins had a part in it they should be exposed, but again I agree 30 years.

[SoCal Deek]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:27 AM, Red Squirrel said:

I think it is extremely obvious why women don't immediately report sexual assaults and it is idiotic to assume innocence or guilt based solely on how long they waited to report.

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Where did I say he was innocent or guilty? But, there should indeed be a statute of limitations on when you accuse someone of a crime. I’m going to guess the accusers haven’t been trapped on a deserted island or in a coma. And it definitely isn't inherently ‘obvious’ why someone would wait THIRTY years to report an assault. 

[Mister Defense]

  On 3/20/2025 at 5:49 PM, Simon said:

 

Your assumption that Marcellus Wiley is a man of high character is equally as spurious as the assumptions being made by others that you are arguing against.

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?

 

I did know that Wiley  had serious character issues. It has been a long time since he played and cannot think of any examples to back that up.

 

What are those?

 

As that may cause me and others to change our perspective.

 

 

Edited Friday at 01:46 PM by Mister Defense

[White Linen]

  On 3/21/2025 at 12:19 PM, ddaryl said:

My issue is because the woman waited so long how many other women had to suffer ?

I understand the counter arguments, and if Columbia Admins had a part in it they should be exposed, but again I agree 30 years.

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It's a tough situation.  If you make it more difficult for women to come out, as you said, less will. However, as we've tried to make it easier, the doors been opened for false accusations.  Without penalty for the false accusations, then the accused are the only ones affected. 

 

I would hope we're past the point that women should be afraid of their abusers or coming out or being labeled something ridiculous. It seems clear to me the message of, if you're raped it's okay to bury the people that did it. I think we're safe enough from that, that we can start to punish false accusations.

[Mister Defense]

  On 3/20/2025 at 7:01 PM, Gugny said:

Well, since you asked… 

 

it is my opinion that rape is worse than murder. 
 

I think it’s the worst thing any woman can be forced to live through. 
 

And I think comparing it to a man getting beaten up and having his car stolen is … 

 

Bless your little heart. 

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You say "rape is worse than murder".  I think most would disagree with that statement, almost all, actually.

 

I cannot imagine anyone in this country, if they had to choose one of those horrendous options for someone they loved, choosing that they be murdered instead.

 

I have thought about this previously and believe that type of societal mindset may be, for some who rape, the reason they then kill their victim.

 

Yes, rape is a horrible crime but to end the existence of someone is a dramatically more heinous crime.

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 01:43 PM by Mister Defense

[Another Fan]

  On 3/21/2025 at 12:19 PM, ddaryl said:

My issue is because the woman waited so long how many other women had to suffer ?

I understand the counter arguments, and if Columbia Admins had a part in it they should be exposed, but again I agree 30 years.

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I understand how 30 years seems a long time 

 

At the same time though if you are violated like that who in their right mind is going to feel comfortable going through the whole legal process right afterwards?  Talking about what happened and then pointing out the person.  Even for someone in their right mind that would seem extremely annoying.

 

Which to me speaks to the legal system in this country but that’s a whole other topic 

 

Im not saying Wiley is guilty…. Just more in theory this woman’s case is legit 

Edited Friday at 01:12 PM by Another Fan

[Mr. WEO]

  On 3/21/2025 at 12:22 PM, SoCal Deek said:

Where did I say he was innocent or guilty? But, there should indeed be a statute of limitations on when you accuse someone of a crime. I’m going to guess the accusers haven’t been trapped on a deserted island or in a coma. And it definitely isn't inherently ‘obvious’ why someone would wait THIRTY years to report an assault. 

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of course there are statutes of limitation to charge a crime.  but not for all crimes.

 

this is a civil suit anyway...

[Gugny]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:01 PM, Mister Defense said:

 

You say "rape is worse than murder".  I think most would disagree with that statement, almost all, actually.

 

I cannot imagine anyone in this country, if they had to choose one of those horrendous options for someone they loved, choosing that they be murdered instead.

 

I have thought about this previously and believe that type of societal mindset may be, for some who rape, the reason they then kill their victim.

 

Yes, rape is a horrible crime but to end the existence of someone is a dramatically more heinous crime.

 

 

 

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I am not a woman. My assumption is that you are also not a woman. 
 

I am not going to pretend to know what it feels like for a woman to be raped, hurt, shamed and violated in the worst way a woman can be violated.

 

My guess (100% guess) is that there are a lot of women who wish they didn’t have to live with that for the rest of their life.
 

It’s certainly not worth debating or arguing about.
 

It’s how I feel about it.  

[Mr. WEO]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:01 PM, Mister Defense said:

 

You say "rape is worse than murder".  I think most would disagree with that statement, almost all, actually.

 

I cannot imagine anyone in this country, if they had to choose one of those horrendous options for someone they loved, choosing that they be murdered instead.

 

I have thought about this previously and believe that type of societal mindset may be, for some who rape, the reason they then kill their victim.

 

Yes, rape is a horrible crime but to end the existence of someone is a dramatically more heinous crime.

 

 

 

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one does not live the rest of one's life reliving their death....

[T master]

  On 3/20/2025 at 12:21 PM, ddaryl said:

in 1994 ???  these women need to come forward a lot sooner then 3 decades later. 

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Thank you !! WTH why wait this long makes no sense and in some ways makes them look like gold diggers . 

 

I'm not saying it did or didn't happen but it doesn't do anything for those that were hurt to wait .

Edited Friday at 02:41 PM by T master

[Simon]

  On 3/21/2025 at 11:37 AM, Johnny Bravo said:

I don’t know Wiley personally, but I can.... make a fair assumption.

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Exactly

  On 3/21/2025 at 12:51 PM, Mister Defense said:

 

?

 

I did know that Wiley  had serious character issues. It has been a long time since he played and cannot think of any examples to back that up.

 

What are those?

 

As that may cause me and others to change our perspective.

 

 

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I have no more knowledge of Wiley's true character than the poster I was responding to. 

I was just pointing out that he was making the same kind of self-supporting assumptions that he was berating others for.

 

I will say that the one thing in this thread that caught my attention was something that was said by a long-time poster with an extensive history of high-quality takes. It has more of a ring of truth than anything else I have read on the subject.

 

[Jauronimo]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:13 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

one does not live the rest of one's life reliving their death....

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What about buddhists and goths?

[Simon]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:25 PM, Jauronimo said:

What about buddhists and goths?

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And nihilists!

 

[Jauronimo]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:29 PM, Simon said:

 

And nihilists!

 

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I know a guy who spent his whole life reliving his conception.  

[Simon]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:31 PM, Jauronimo said:

I know a guy who spent his whole life reliving his conception.  

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So far?

Or has he returned to dlust?

[Mr. WEO]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:25 PM, Jauronimo said:

What about buddhists and goths?

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goths i'll concede.

 

Repo men too

[SoCal Deek]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:22 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

of course there are statutes of limitation to charge a crime.  but not for all crimes.

 

this is a civil suit anyway...

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So someone can wait just to see if someone they met a long time ago comes into money and then bring a suit alleging that something happened THREE DECADES ago. Wonderful. 

[thronethinker]

Is it coincidence that all of this gets brought up right after his public spat with Ryan Clark? In the end that whole situation was because Marcellus wasn’t lock step with what others thought he should be with the MVP debate. 

Edited Friday at 06:35 PM by thronethinker

[Breakout Squad]

  On 3/21/2025 at 3:29 PM, Simon said:

 

And nihilists!

 

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They’re cowards.