Former Bill, Marcellus Wiley accused of rape

[TheBillsOrDie]

5 hours ago, Wacka said:

Isn't  6here a statute of limitations?

For the crime, Yes. But not for civil 

[blitzboy54]

My buddy is a teacher at OP high school He had just started when Wiley played for us. He said there was a 16 year old student that used to wear his jersey a lot and the scuttle but was she was 'dating" him at the time. 

 

This all tracks. 

[Buffalo03]

If I was assaulted and beaten and had my car stolen in 2002 and I just now came forward with it with a lawsuit, how would that look? How is it also any different from this? Granted, rape and the situation I'm referring to are different allegations. But the time frame of reporting would cause concerns, correct? I bet all the people saying "women should be able to report 20, 30, 40 year old rape allegations" would also be asking why it took so long for a person to report an assault and theft of property over 20 years later, right? Why do women always get a pass in this case? 

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

If I was assaulted and beaten and had my car stolen in 2002 and I just now came forward with it with a lawsuit, how would that look? How is it also any different from this? Granted, rape and the situation I'm referring to are different allegations. But the time frame of reporting would cause concerns, correct? I bet all the people saying "women should be able to report 20, 30, 40 year old rape allegations" would also be asking why it took so long for a person to report an assault and theft of property over 20 years later, right? Why do women always get a pass in this case? 

You just answered your own question.

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You just answered your own question.

No, I didn't. The main reason I brought this up is assault and rape or whatever, should be reported in a timely matter. And the longer you wait the more ridiculous it looks. So, if someone gets beaten to a pulp and has their car stolen, that's a lot better than rape? They are both crimes that would harm either individual but one person gets a pass and the other gets criticized. Assault and rape are both major crimes

 

 

Edited Thursday at 06:17 PM by Buffalo03

[Man with No Name]

Just seems 99.9% unproveable. Hopefully both sides can count on the civil courts to have very high standards of proof. Not just "well, doesn't seem like she'd fake this." 

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

No, I didn't. The main reason I brought this up is assault and rape or whatever, should be reported in a timely matter. And the longer you wait the more ridiculous it looks. So, if someone gets beaten to a pulp and has their car stolen, that's a lot better than rape? They are both crimes that would harm either individual but one person gets a pass and the other gets criticized. Assault and rape are both major crimes

I'm not saying that's better or worse than rape so don't strawman me.  Never experienced either.  You're more likely to report being beaten a pulp and your car stolen than being raped though.  I'm just going by the research man.  

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm not saying that's better or worse than rape so don't strawman me.  Never experienced either.  You're more likely to report being beaten a pulp and your car stolen than being raped though.  I'm just going by the research man.  

You have absolutely no proof of that. How about we put a woman in this scenario. Would you believe her and think she should get paid if she was assaulted and beaten and had her car stolen 23 years ago and is now looking to file a lawsuit? Or is it only in rape cases that she is "telling the truth" and that's ok?

Edited Thursday at 06:26 PM by Buffalo03

[Returntoglory]

6 hours ago, Just Jack said:

Former NFL Pro Bowler Marcellus Wiley accused of raping two women at Columbia University

 

 

Wow!

 

They just missed their 30 year anniversary!

[SoTier]

4 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

"That's immaterial to whether not he's innocent in this particular instance."

 

I don't understand this.  We should encourage people to make accusations of rape whether or not the guy is innocent?  We only need to go back 2 years to Matt Araiza to see the consequences of this sort of attitude.  Matt Araiza lost two years of his career and his reputation because a woman lied about being raped by him. 

 

For point of reference, the FBI says the 8% of all rape accusations are PROVEN false.  That isn't that the accused was not convicted because there was a reasonable doubt about his guilt...it's that it was proven that the accuser was wrong or lying in making the accusation in the first place.

 

As far as the support structure in the 90s versus today, when has there ever been a reluctance to believe rape accusations?  If your claim was about something like sexual harassment, I'd probably agree with you that society has changed for the better.  But rape?  It used to be a capital crime.  Men used to be executed for raping a woman-that's how seriously it has always been taken.

 

I believe that reluctance to come forward with a rape accusation today is more a product of the situation not being rape as traditionally understood.  I think these situations are more an instance of drunken hook ups with next day regret in which the accuser shares culpability with the accused.

 

 

 

Seriously?????   Your statements reek of ignorance of history and misogyny.  

 

Just because there were laws on the books that made rape a capital offense doesn't mean that those laws were enforced and sentences applied equally.   

 

Even today, a woman who accuses a man, especially a wealthy or well-known man, of rape faces far more scrutiny of her "character" than does a woman who accuses a man of some other crime .... your assumptions about rape underscore your bias.

 

[Gugny]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

If I was assaulted and beaten and had my car stolen in 2002 and I just now came forward with it with a lawsuit, how would that look? How is it also any different from this? Granted, rape and the situation I'm referring to are different allegations. But the time frame of reporting would cause concerns, correct? I bet all the people saying "women should be able to report 20, 30, 40 year old rape allegations" would also be asking why it took so long for a person to report an assault and theft of property over 20 years later, right? Why do women always get a pass in this case? 

Bless your little heart. 

[Simon]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Why do women always get a pass in this case? 

 

Yeah, she's clearly getting a pass while you compare rape to car theft.

Maybe you should sit this one out, chief.

[NoName]

5 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Why? And what timeframe do you suggest? There are many, many reasons victims do not come forward and when they do, there are various reasons why they (in some cases) wait many years to do so.

Alleged victims. As of now, nothing has been proven.

Edited Thursday at 06:40 PM by NoName
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[Lafromboise]

When I was a drug addict I used to rape my local ATM machine.

[Buffalo03]

20 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Yeah, she's clearly getting a pass while you compare rape to car theft.

Maybe you should sit this one out, chief.

Did you miss the part where I said assault and car theft? Or did you leave that out intentionally?

21 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Bless your little heart. 

How about you answer the question. Is rape worse than being beaten to a pulp and getting your car taken away? If it was a woman in both scenarios, and she chose not to report either or for 20 plus years, you would be ok with her waiting to report the rape but not the assault? One violent crime gets a pass and the other doesn't? OK then

[djp14150]

I understand women coming forwardhen someone might become well known….why now?

[Gugny]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Did you miss the part where I said assault and car theft? Or did you leave that out intentionally?

How about you answer the question. Is rape worse than being beaten to a pulp and getting your car taken away? If it was a woman in both scenarios, and she chose not to report either or for 20 plus years, you would be ok with her waiting to report the rape but not the assault? One violent crime gets a pass and the other doesn't? OK then

Well, since you asked… 

 

it is my opinion that rape is worse than murder. 
 

I think it’s the worst thing any woman can be forced to live through. 
 

And I think comparing it to a man getting beaten up and having his car stolen is … 

 

Bless your little heart. 

[Augie]

27 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Yeah, she's clearly getting a pass while you compare rape to car theft.

Maybe you should sit this one out, chief.

 

My BIL had his car stolen with everything he owned in it while traveling for medical school interviews. He even had wrapped Christmas presents in there. He laughs about that now. 

 

Not the same thing at all. 

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Well, since you asked… 

 

it is my opinion that rape is worse than murder. 
 

I think it’s the worst thing any woman can be forced to live through. 
 

And I think comparing it to a man getting beaten up and having his car stolen is … 

 

Bless your little heart. 

Again, as you so graciously ignored, the last comment I made to you was if you put a woman in BOTH scenarios, why does she get a pass for a rape but not an assault that leaves her with possible permanent brain damage? They are both violent crimes and should be reported in a timely matter. One should not get a pass over the other

 

Edited Thursday at 07:05 PM by Buffalo03

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Did you miss the part where I said assault and car theft? Or did you leave that out intentionally?

How about you answer the question. Is rape worse than being beaten to a pulp and getting your car taken away? If it was a woman in both scenarios, and she chose not to report either or for 20 plus years, you would be ok with her waiting to report the rape but not the assault? One violent crime gets a pass and the other doesn't? OK then

Ask your significant other these questions.  If you have one.