It’s time for a generational talent, blue chipper

[nosejob]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It couldn't. No way.

TRUST THE PROCESS.....LOL

[Vickveto]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It couldn't. No way.

Pick 27 next year’s first Pick 59 two 4 round picks for Julio Jones. I’m tired of everybody bringing up all this draft chart mumbo-jumbo all it  takes is a willing trade partner. 

I believe there will be plenty of willing trading partners to grab a blue chip prospect. Julio Jones did not add up on anybody’s charts. will Johnson  could probably be had at 11 for San Francisco and all of their move show they are rebuilding.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

Pick 27 next year’s first Pick 59 two 4 round picks for Julio Jones. I’m tired of everybody bringing up all this draft chart mumbo-jumbo all it  takes is a willing trade partner. 

 

And you wouldn't find one. 

[Vickveto]

Are you apart of any nfl front offices?Why wouldn’t the Saints or 49ers or jets? There have already been reports of titians shopping pick. 

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Vickveto said:

Pick 27 next year’s first Pick 59 two 4 round picks for Julio Jones. I’m tired of everybody bringing up all this draft chart mumbo-jumbo all it  takes is a willing trade partner. 

I believe there will be plenty of willing trading partners to grab a blue chip prospect. Julio Jones did not add up on anybody’s charts. will Johnson  could probably be had at 11 for San Francisco and all of their move show they are rebuilding.

 

Julio Jones is brought up every year. That was FOURTEEN years ago. 

 

Finding a team that is willing to move from the top of the first round to the bottom is so *exceedingly* rare that the best and most recent example that you can parrot is almost a decade and a half ago. And it was probably as long before then that a Julio Jones like trade happened, maybe longer. The Julio Jones trade is VERY much the exception and not the rule.

And what you're proposing is even more extreme than even that trade. That trade was from #6 to #27. If you want a Carter or a Hunter, it's going to have to be at least #4 to #30.

 

It is almost impossible to get someone to move from the top of the Draft to the bottom as it is. Even if we were able to find someone that was willing to do it, we didn't do enough in Free Agency (especially after the Hoecht and Ogunjobi suspensions) that we can afford to spend our Draft on one player.

 

You're living in a fantasy world.

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[DJB]

We have a blue chip generational talent 

 

His name is Josh Allen 

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Julio Jones is brought up every year. That was FOURTEEN years ago. 

 

Finding a team that is willing to move from the top of the first round to the bottom is so *exceedingly* rare that the best 

This topic of moving up into the Top 10 ( or 5) has been brought up every year since they have been in the playoffs …. last year it was for Marvin Harrison and Odunze … imagine doing that, and  now sitting here with no first and only one second, and wishing you had of at least taken Nabers instead ..

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Aussie Joe

[Nihilarian]

I can recall the time before the 2018 draft and this entire board was going ape wanting the Bills to give up the farm in order to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft QB Josh Rosen. 

 

Cleveland took QB Baker Mayfield #1 overall.

NY Giants took RB Saquon Barkley #2

NY Jets took QB Sam Darnold #3

Cleveland took CB Denzel Ward #4

Denver took DE Bradley Chubb #5

Indy took OG Quinton Nelson #6

Buffalo took QB Josh Allen #7... and most Bills fans were talking like they were "gut punched" because they didn't draft Rosen. What do Bills fans know?

 

Brandon Beane stood his ground at #7 and got his man. 

 

Buffalo went after a generational talent in Von Miller, and did it again with Joey Bosa. The Bills are always changing the players/roster, coaches, scouts in an attempt to improve the team.  the ONLY NFL team to win more games than the Buffalo Bills the last 5 seasons have been the KC Chiefs.

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Nihilarian said:

I can recall the time before the 2018 draft and this entire board was going ape wanting the Bills to give up the farm in order to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft QB Josh Rosen. 

 

Cleveland took QB Baker Mayfield #1 overall.

NY Giants took RB Saquon Barkley #2

NY Jets took QB Sam Darnold #3

Cleveland took CB Denzel Ward #4

Denver took DE Bradley Chubb #5

Indy took OG Quinton Nelson #6

Buffalo took QB Josh Allen #7... and most Bills fans were talking like they were "gut punched" because they didn't draft Rosen. What do Bills fans know?

 

Brandon Beane stood his ground at #7 and got his man. 

 

 

Beane tried to trade up with NYG at #2, Browns at #4 and Broncos at #5 …. Elway has been quoted as saying overlooking JA  was the worst call he made as a GM, and I’m sure the other two would at least privately agree …

 

It has turned out to be the biggest draft pick the Bills have ever made … but probably a little bit of luck and bad management from the others in hindsight 

[Draconator]

This right here, is THE perfect example of a Buffalo Bills off season. A senseless topic that is quickly approaching 10 pages. 

[JohnNord]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

The larger point is the failure to find impact players with those high picks. 
 

The Bills would’ve been better off trading that first for Metcalf instead of trading back.

Yes.  One of my problems with the Beane/McDermott Era - they tend to overvalue draft picks.  
 

It only makes sense if you can hit on those picks.  

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

This topic of moving up into the Top 10 ( or 5) has been brought up every year since they have been in the playoffs …. last year it was for Marvin Harrison and Odunze … imagine doing that, and  now sitting here with no first and only one second, and wishing you had of at least taken Nabers instead ..

 

And that's another part of it. Just because they're the top rated prospect doesn't mean that they're going to be the best NFL player. So you could give up the farm for a guy that ends up being not as good as the guy you could have got if you just stayed put.

 

For example, imagine if the Vikings moved up to 11 in 2019 to Draft Henry Ruggs instead of just staying put to Draft Justin Jefferson at 22.

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[4merper4mer]

21 hours ago, Billl said:

If you had the #1 overall pick but couldn’t trade it, who would you take?

I’d take the league to court for violating my constitutional trading rights.

[Jrb1979]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Another one that gets less notice for some reason is Jerry Jeudy. Cleveland acquired him last year for just a 5th and a 6th. They then signed him to an extension for just $17.5M AAV which now looks paltry compared to the WR market. He went on to collect over 1,200 receiving yards while playing with maybe the worst QB situation in the NFL.

 

I continue to be dismayed by Beane's failure to properly invest in weapons for Allen. Opportunities have been there but he hasn't jumped on them.

I do wonder if it's due to a couple of things in play. One being the focus not just on the current season but future seasons and not willing to take a step back season. 

 

IMO the bigger one is the culture factor. They are so high on culture that they miss out on some high end talent 

[DrBob806]

21 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Interesting note. Not counting Josh Allen who is probably headed there.. 

 

The Buffalo Bills haven't drafted a player that made the Hall of Fame since Thurman Thomas in 1988. 

 

I'd say we are overdue.

A lot of that is political, sadly.

 

Look at all the Steelers that made the HOF. There are many examples of players who were better than some of their inductees, but they didn't win SBs so they may never get in. For example, Kevin Greene & Lynn Swan. 

[gonzo1105]

Just because you draft high doesn’t guarantee you a blue chipper elite player. We had the 9th pick and got Ed Oliver who has been solid, was seen as a blue chipper but didn’t. We traded up to get a monster LB who was young in Edmunds who a lot of people would turn into an elite player and it never materialized. 

[harmonkillebrew]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Except, of course, that Coleman was a second round pick.  Facts are pesky things.  But continue with your ranting 

traded away our 1st multiple times to move down, passing on Worthy, Legette, Pearsall, also passed on Wiggins at CB, who was a day 1 starter for the Ravens.

And then took Coleman over McConkey.  

Just another in the long line of Day 1 failures by Beane

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

traded away our 1st multiple times to move down, passing on Worthy, Legette, Pearsall, also passed on Wiggins at CB, who was a day 1 starter for the Ravens.

And then took Coleman over McConkey.  

Just another in the long line of Day 1 failures by Beane

Thanks.  So you agree he wasn’t a first round pick.  And boy wasn’t Pearsall a big miss!

Edited 16 hours ago by oldmanfan

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

I can recall the time before the 2018 draft and this entire board was going ape wanting the Bills to give up the farm in order to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft QB Josh Rosen. 

 

Cleveland took QB Baker Mayfield #1 overall.

NY Giants took RB Saquon Barkley #2

NY Jets took QB Sam Darnold #3

Cleveland took CB Denzel Ward #4

Denver took DE Bradley Chubb #5

Indy took OG Quinton Nelson #6

Buffalo took QB Josh Allen #7... and most Bills fans were talking like they were "gut punched" because they didn't draft Rosen. What do Bills fans know?

 

Brandon Beane stood his ground at #7 and got his man. 

 

Buffalo went after a generational talent in Von Miller, and did it again with Joey Bosa. The Bills are always changing the players/roster, coaches, scouts in an attempt to improve the team.  the ONLY NFL team to win more games than the Buffalo Bills the last 5 seasons have been the KC Chiefs.

Beane moved up several times just to get to 7 & let’s just wait & see about Bosa.

55 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

A lot of that is political, sadly.

 

Look at all the Steelers that made the HOF. There are many examples of players who were better than some of their inductees, but they didn't win SBs so they may never get in. For example, Kevin Greene & Lynn Swan. 

Its politically Keith Ellison & Chris Kelsey arent Hall of Famers?

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

I can recall the time before the 2018 draft and this entire board was going ape wanting the Bills to give up the farm in order to trade up to the #2 spot with the NY Giants to draft QB Josh Rosen. 

 

Cleveland took QB Baker Mayfield #1 overall.

NY Giants took RB Saquon Barkley #2

NY Jets took QB Sam Darnold #3

Cleveland took CB Denzel Ward #4

Denver took DE Bradley Chubb #5

Indy took OG Quinton Nelson #6

Buffalo took QB Josh Allen #7... and most Bills fans were talking like they were "gut punched" because they didn't draft Rosen. What do Bills fans know?

 

Brandon Beane stood his ground at #7 and got his man. 

 

Buffalo went after a generational talent in Von Miller, and did it again with Joey Bosa. The Bills are always changing the players/roster, coaches, scouts in an attempt to improve the team.  the ONLY NFL team to win more games than the Buffalo Bills the last 5 seasons have been the KC Chiefs.

Um Beane tried to trade up to 5 then traded up to 7.