It’s time for a generational talent, blue chipper

[Logic]

1 minute ago, bmur66 said:

You need to suck before you can draft one of those guys. We need some low 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks to be diamonds in the rough.

Disagree.

Justin Jefferson was pick 22.
Brian Thomas just last year was pick 21.

Both of those slots are achievable with a modest trade-up by Beane.

Beyond that, guys like Chris Jones and Alvin Kamara and Tyreek Hill and so many more were drafted AFTER the 1st round altogether. 

Heck, in the draft where the Bills took Dalton Kincaid, Sam LaPorta was next off the board, taken in the 2nd round. I doubt there are many Bills fans right now who wouldn't take LaPorta over Kincaid.

 

Beane needs to do better in rounds 1 and 2, and "we draft too low" is NOT an excuse. Never has been, never will be, and I hate when he says it. It's a copout. 

[Low Positive]

16 minutes ago, Logic said:

Disagree.

Justin Jefferson was pick 22.
Brian Thomas just last year was pick 21.

Both of those slots are achievable with a modest trade-up by Beane.

Beyond that, guys like Chris Jones and Alvin Kamara and Tyreek Hill and so many more were drafted AFTER the 1st round altogether. 

Heck, in the draft where the Bills took Dalton Kincaid, Sam LaPorta was next off the board, taken in the 2nd round. I doubt there are many Bills fans right now who wouldn't take LaPorta over Kincaid.

 

Beane needs to do better in rounds 1 and 2, and "we draft too low" is NOT an excuse. Never has been, never will be, and I hate when he says it. It's a copout. 

I've promissed myself not to engage in Internet arguments anymore, especially when my opinion goes against existing narratives. So I have no response to this.

[Logic]

Just now, Low Positive said:

I've promissed myself not to engage in Internet arguments anymore, especially when my opinion goes against existing narratives. So I have no response to this.

That kind of IS a response though, no? 😅

And...not more internet arguments? Sheesh. You should probably just retire your TBD account now then. 

[Jrb1979]

27 minutes ago, Logic said:

Disagree.

Justin Jefferson was pick 22.
Brian Thomas just last year was pick 21.

Both of those slots are achievable with a modest trade-up by Beane.

Beyond that, guys like Chris Jones and Alvin Kamara and Tyreek Hill and so many more were drafted AFTER the 1st round altogether. 

Heck, in the draft where the Bills took Dalton Kincaid, Sam LaPorta was next off the board, taken in the 2nd round. I doubt there are many Bills fans right now who wouldn't take LaPorta over Kincaid.

 

Beane needs to do better in rounds 1 and 2, and "we draft too low" is NOT an excuse. Never has been, never will be, and I hate when he says it. It's a copout. 

I agree. IMO it all starts with focusing more on talent and less on culture and fit. 

[HappyDays]

35 minutes ago, Logic said:

Disagree.

Justin Jefferson was pick 22.
Brian Thomas just last year was pick 21.

Both of those slots are achievable with a modest trade-up by Beane.

Beyond that, guys like Chris Jones and Alvin Kamara and Tyreek Hill and so many more were drafted AFTER the 1st round altogether. 

Heck, in the draft where the Bills took Dalton Kincaid, Sam LaPorta was next off the board, taken in the 2nd round. I doubt there are many Bills fans right now who wouldn't take LaPorta over Kincaid.

 

Beane needs to do better in rounds 1 and 2, and "we draft too low" is NOT an excuse. Never has been, never will be, and I hate when he says it. It's a copout. 

 

Another one that gets less notice for some reason is Jerry Jeudy. Cleveland acquired him last year for just a 5th and a 6th. They then signed him to an extension for just $17.5M AAV which now looks paltry compared to the WR market. He went on to collect over 1,200 receiving yards while playing with maybe the worst QB situation in the NFL.

 

I continue to be dismayed by Beane's failure to properly invest in weapons for Allen. Opportunities have been there but he hasn't jumped on them.

[corta765]

17 hours ago, Augie said:

Somebody should have thought of this sooner! 

the good news is the draft is a 100% sure thing and you can just pick your fav position of choice to be a generational blue chip talent

[Logic]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Another one that gets less notice for some reason is Jerry Jeudy. Cleveland acquired him last year for just a 5th and a 6th. They then signed him to an extension for just $17.5M AAV which now looks paltry compared to the WR market. He went on to collect over 1,200 receiving yards while playing with maybe the worst QB situation in the NFL.

 

I continue to be dismayed by Beane's failure to properly invest in weapons for Allen. Opportunities have been there but he hasn't jumped on them.

Absolutely. Jeudy was one I really wanted the Bills to go after. Low cost, low risk, high reward. For whatever reason, they seemed to have zero interest.

Last year's draft really was the ultimate kick-in-the-pants, though.

I know it feels like beating a dead horse, but...to have the year in which you want to completely re-make your WR corps line up perfectly with the year in which the draft is historically deep at WR, and to take just ONE receiver (who you traded DOWN for, no less), feels inexcusable. 

The Bills took Dewayne Carter in round 3 over fast and explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker. And while neither of those guys are guaranteed to work out, the fact remains that the Bills are right back in the DT market this year, and right back in the "we need a speedy and explosive wideout" position this year, but in a less talented WR class. We still need a good wideout AND we don't appear to have moved any closer to solving our DT issues.

And just generally speaking, refusing to trade UP for an elite WR prospect and instead trading DOWN and taking a lesser one, then using the pick you added to take a rotational DT whose primary virtue is "leadership and character" is emblematic of the exact type of indifference toward offensive playmakers we're discussing here.

Beane and the Bills operate as if WR isn't a premium and important position in the 2025 NFL, when every trend and bit of evidence tells us otherwise. It's maddening.

 

 

 

[harmonkillebrew]

42 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Another one that gets less notice for some reason is Jerry Jeudy. Cleveland acquired him last year for just a 5th and a 6th. They then signed him to an extension for just $17.5M AAV which now looks paltry compared to the WR market. He went on to collect over 1,200 receiving yards while playing with maybe the worst QB situation in the NFL.

 

I continue to be dismayed by Beane's failure to properly invest in weapons for Allen. Opportunities have been there but he hasn't jumped on them.

I wouldn't take Cleveland's QB situation over ours, for sure, but Jameis Winston slings the rock around the yard. His WRs often produce big numbers. Problem is, so do the opposing CBs.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

Absolutely. Jeudy was one I really wanted the Bills to go after. Low cost, low risk, high reward. For whatever reason, they seemed to have zero interest.

Last year's draft really was the ultimate kick-in-the-pants, though.

I know it feels like beating a dead horse, but...to have the year in which you want to completely re-make your WR corps line up perfectly with the year in which the draft is historically deep at WR, and to take just ONE receiver (who you traded DOWN for, no less), feels inexcusable. 

The Bills took Dewayne Carter in round 3 over fast and explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker. And while neither of those guys are guaranteed to work out, the fact remains that the Bills are right back in the DT market this year, and right back in the "we need a speedy and explosive wideout" position this year, but in a less talented WR class. We still need a good wideout AND we don't appear to have moved any closer to solving our DT issues.

And just generally speaking, refusing to trade UP for an elite WR prospect and instead trading DOWN and taking a lesser one, then using the pick you added to take a rotational DT whose primary virtue is "leadership and character" is emblematic of the exact type of indifference toward offensive playmakers we're discussing here.

Beane and the Bills operate as if WR isn't a premium and important position in the 2025 NFL, when every trend and bit of evidence tells us otherwise. It's maddening.

 

 

 

Beane's drafting and decision-making in the 1st has been horrible.  Case in point with Keon... not to mention all the others.

And I agree on the WR need last year. Missed on FA addition, so needed to blow a 3rd on renting Amari. Deep WR draft, but only took one, after passing on more explosive options. 

[HappyDays]

Just now, harmonkillebrew said:

I wouldn't take Cleveland's QB situation over ours, for sure, but Jameis Winston slings the rock around the yard. His WRs often produce big numbers. Problem is, so do the opposing CBs.

 

 

 

He also had just under 1,000 yards in 2022 despite playing under Nate Hackett and Russell Wilson.

 

I was banging the drum to trade for him back in 2023 when the thought was it would take a 2nd. I remember saying even a 1st I would have been fine with if that's what it took, which in hindsight would have been a much better use of that pick than Kincaid. The fact that he went for a 5th and 6th last year, and got less than the combined AAV of Samuel and Palmer, that was a no brainer to me.

 

Every year we overpay for defensive linemen but when really good or great WRs become available we get gun shy. I really don't get it, but I guess I'm on the extreme end of the WR discussion compared to most fans.

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

I wouldn't take Cleveland's QB situation over ours, for sure, but Jameis Winston slings the rock around the yard. His WRs often produce big numbers. Problem is, so do the opposing CBs.

 

 

Beane's drafting and decision-making in the 1st has been horrible.  Case in point with Keon... not to mention all the others.

And I agree on the WR need last year. Missed on FA addition, so needed to blow a 3rd on renting Amari. Deep WR draft, but only took one, after passing on more explosive options. 

Except, of course, that Coleman was a second round pick.  Facts are pesky things.  But continue with your ranting 

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Logic said:

Absolutely. Jeudy was one I really wanted the Bills to go after. Low cost, low risk, high reward. For whatever reason, they seemed to have zero interest.

Last year's draft really was the ultimate kick-in-the-pants, though.

I know it feels like beating a dead horse, but...to have the year in which you want to completely re-make your WR corps line up perfectly with the year in which the draft is historically deep at WR, and to take just ONE receiver (who you traded DOWN for, no less), feels inexcusable. 

The Bills took Dewayne Carter in round 3 over fast and explosive guys like Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker. And while neither of those guys are guaranteed to work out, the fact remains that the Bills are right back in the DT market this year, and right back in the "we need a speedy and explosive wideout" position this year, but in a less talented WR class. We still need a good wideout AND we don't appear to have moved any closer to solving our DT issues.

And just generally speaking, refusing to trade UP for an elite WR prospect and instead trading DOWN and taking a lesser one, then using the pick you added to take a rotational DT whose primary virtue is "leadership and character" is emblematic of the exact type of indifference toward offensive playmakers we're discussing here.

Beane and the Bills operate as if WR isn't a premium and important position in the 2025 NFL, when every trend and bit of evidence tells us otherwise. It's maddening.

 

 

 

 

The Bills spent their first 3 picks last year on a WR, a safety and a DT. Then came into this offseason with at best 3 of the 4 biggest weaknesses on the roster being WR, S, DT. If by this time next year none of Coleman, Bishop or Carter look like hits the pressure on Beane is going to ramp right up. Unless he finds an early round rookie stud in 2025.

[Logic]

Lately, I just can't seem to get a quote out of my head that I read from an anonymous NFL front office person at The Athletic recently:

"Josh Allen covers up for a lot of problems in that building".

Now I'm on record here as being a Brandon Beane fan overall, and I can't ignore the GOOD of what he's done during his tenure here. But at the same time, the continued inability (going on 7+ years now) to draft difference makers is starting to wear on me. Josh Allen was an obvious and undeniable and massive hit. Since then, there have been plenty of singles and doubles, an occasional triple, and zero home runs in the draft.

 

If you're listing out elite Buffalo Bills players drafted by Brandon Beane, it's Josh Allen and......who else? Anyone?

"Josh Allen covers up for a lot of problems in that building".

[oldmanfan]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

The Bills spent their first 3 picks last year on a WR, a safety and a DT. Then came into this offseason with at best 3 of the 4 biggest weaknesses on the roster being WR, S, DT. If by this time next year none of Coleman, Bishop or Carter look like hits the pressure on Beane is going to ramp right up. Unless he finds an early round rookie stud in 2025.

Ok.  Honest to God, what the hell is wrong with people on this board?  All 3 of these guys suffered injuries as rookies, Bishop early in the Coleman’s and Carter later in the season.  Is the expectation of our fan base now that injuries should have absolutely no impact on player performance?  It’s the same junk about Kincaid.

 

And have we really gotten to the point where a rookie has to walk in and be a stud from the get go, with no expectation of actual improvement from year to year as they learn more about being an NFL player?  Is this truly what the expectations should be?  Have we not learned anything from guys like Bernard and Brown?

 

Of course those 3 guys have to continue to improve.  That should be the expectation of every single guy on the roster.  Will we look for improvement?  Absolutely.  Would criticism be warranted if they don’t?  Sure.  But come on, give these guys some time to develop before assuming the worst.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Ok.  Honest to God, what the hell is wrong with people on this board?  All 3 of these guys suffered injuries as rookies, Bishop early in the Coleman’s and Carter later in the season.  Is the expectation of our fan base now that injuries should have absolutely no impact on player performance?  It’s the same junk about Kincaid.

 

And have we really gotten to the point where a rookie has to walk in and be a stud from the get go, with no expectation of actual improvement from year to year as they learn more about being an NFL player?  Is this truly what the expectations should be?  Have we not learned anything from guys like Bernard and Brown?

 

Of course those 3 guys have to continue to improve.  That should be the expectation of every single guy on the roster.  Will we look for improvement?  Absolutely.  Would criticism be warranted if they don’t?  Sure.  But come on, give these guys some time to develop before assuming the worst.

 

What is wrong with people is they are frustrated with the lack of high end talent on the roster besides Josh. And while Beane doesn't have many outright misses, that's true, and a lot of his guys really come on in year 2 and 3, also true, and we pick late every year, also true..... it is 7 years waiting for him to find an elite player beyond Josh. Eventually all that context doesn't matter. You just gotta find a monster hit. And without it, I'm afraid, the pressure is going to grow. It isn't a secret on the Bills. It is known across the league - they have a ton of good players, they lack great ones.

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Abdul Carter all day, every day. 

 

Unfortunately, the Bills' entire draft (all 10 picks) is only worth 1464 points, which might get the Bills to #7 or #8.  Carter will be long gone, even if two QBs go early.

BUT If he makes it to Jax at 5, we can do it.  30/62/ 132 2026 1st and Cook. Boom, done

[TheFunPolice]

2 hours ago, nosejob said:

 But we had the no.1 pick...which is never fun. Here's to big baller landing Abdul Carter! 

 

2 hours ago, Mat68 said:

He was #1 overall.  

 

I should have said "basically impossible to do" but when I think of "clue chip generational player" on defense he just comes to mind. 

 

I grew up a Bills fan in the 80's and 90's and even I forgot just how absolutely dominant that guy was until I went back and watched some old games and looked at his stats. 

 

The guy was just built different. 10 sacks at age 37 with Washington, and 9 sacks at age 39. Even 5 sacks at age 40 is crazy. 

 

But here... Guy had 14-19 sacks most of his prime seasons. 

 

He might be more of a once in a lifetime player than once in a generation, though. 

Edited yesterday at 06:40 PM by TheFunPolice

[nosejob]

5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

 

I should have said "basically impossible to do" but when I think of "clue chip generational player" on defense he just comes to mind. 

 

I grew up a Bills fan in the 80's and 90's and even I forgot just how absolutely dominant that guy was until I went back and watched some old games and looked at his stats. 

 

The guy was just built different. 10 sacks at age 37 with Washington, and 9 sacks at age 39. Even 5 sacks at age 40 is crazy. 

 

But here... Guy had 14-19 sacks most of his prime seasons. 

 

He might be more of a once in a lifetime player than once in a generation, though. 

He had over 100 sacks after 30. I think our FO thinks they can find those in the shallow end of FA. Sooner or later they're gonna realize they have to work the draft. Hopefully this is the year...for DL anyways.

[somnus00]

The Bills just have to do a better job of evaluating with their to picks.

 

Ed Oliver is a good player. But if you just look at DTs, Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence, and Jeffery Simmons were all picked after Oliver in the first round.

 

Beane has been in position to pick some blue chippers. Overall, his drafting has been good. But we are missing more star power.

[ColoradoBills]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What is wrong with people is they are frustrated with the lack of high end talent on the roster besides Josh. And while Beane doesn't have many outright misses, that's true, and a lot of his guys really come on in year 2 and 3, also true, and we pick late every year, also true..... it is 7 years waiting for him to find an elite player beyond Josh. Eventually all that context doesn't matter. You just gotta find a monster hit. And without it, I'm afraid, the pressure is going to grow. It isn't a secret on the Bills. It is known across the league - they have a ton of good players, they lack great ones.

 

I agree with all you say.

 

I would add, from my perspective the players could do some more to raise their stature too.  There is some good talent on this team

and a lot of players have shined for moments only to regress.  Ed Oliver shows it at times but not nearly enough.

 

McDermott has his family culture and that's great, but I think some of the coaches need to get these guys to bring a little more

meanness to their game.  A little more attitude.  I'm thinking of Spencer Brown as an example.

A little of Spencer Brown's attitude in Dalton Kincaid would do a lot for his game IMO.

[djp14150]

18 hours ago, Vickveto said:

We are in Josh Allen prime years we already proved we can win with this core team, let’s go get a needle mover. Let’s go get the best WR CB DT or DE in the draft. I think there are plenty of teams that would seriously listen to each trade backs because of rebuilding or cap situation I.e (Saints, browns)  

 

 

18 hours ago, Vickveto said:

We are in Josh Allen prime years we already proved we can win with this core team, let’s go get a needle mover. Let’s go get the best WR CB DT or DE in the draft. I think there are plenty of teams that would seriously listen to each trade backs because of rebuilding or cap situation I.e (Saints, browns)  

 

How exactly? Needle pushers might be easier to find…..