It’s time for a generational talent, blue chipper

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

@BillsFanForever19 - Ray Cook? I though James's brother was name Dalvin?

 

You didn't hear? Turns out Ray Davis did a 23 and me and found out he's actually the 3rd Cook brother RB.

 

Thanks for pointing out the typo. Fixed.

[Buffalo716]

The term generational player literally means once in a generation lol

 

Literally the entirety of the NFL all 32 teams would kill for that...

 

Tom Brady and Barry Sanders and Randy Moss were once in a generation players.. they don't walk through the door

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The term generational player literally means once in a generation lol

 

Literally the entirety of the NFL all 32 teams would kill for that...

 

Tom Brady and Barry Sanders and Randy Moss were once in a generation players.. they don't walk through the door

 

Cool, let’s get two then! 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Cool, let’s get two then! 

 

Just two?! 

 

All kidding aside I think the bills are in a pretty good spot to add some talent to the roster 

 

I don't know how many generational talents are in this class tho ... Hunter definitely has the football skills of a once in a generation guy but it all depends how the NFL uses him 

 

He should be a full-time corner with 7 to 10 snaps a game at wide receiver.. not trying to platoon both full-time or playing too much wide receiver

Edited 11 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Vickveto]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The term generational player literally means once in a generation lol

 

Literally the entirety of the NFL all 32 teams would kill for that...

 

Tom Brady and Barry Sanders and Randy Moss were once in a generation players.. they don't walk through the door

We have ONE ALLPRO caliber player right now. Josh Allen. How about we get him a projected special player. Sauce Gardner Derek Stingley Bijan Robinson all these guys came playing at a pro ball level in their rookie season. And that’s just to name a few there have been plenty in the recent top half of drafts. Beane Needs to go get the player he regards as special at a position of need.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Just two?! 

 

All kidding aside I think the bills are in a pretty good spot to add some talent to the roster 

 

I don't know how many generational talents are in this class tho ... Hunter definitely has the football skills of a once in a generation guy but it's not like he's 205 pounds he's pretty skinny

 

I admit to having seen very little of Abdul Carter, but I’m curious about his ceiling based upon what I’ve heard some guys say about him. Since he won’t be in a Bills uniform, I hope he lives in an NFC city. 

[gonzo1105]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What about Pearce and Green? You excluding because you think they will go earlier than you'd be willing to move up to? Or because you think rumoured off field stuff means they are probably not realistic for the Bills?

I think Buffalo probably and unfortunately passes on Pearce especially in a trade up. Green also has character issues but teams seem happy but I think he goes in a range where it might cost the Bills too much 

[Don Otreply]

It’s time to cast my Vickveto, to quash this here and now, 😁🍸🚬

[Buffalo716]

12 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

We have ONE ALLPRO caliber player right now. Josh Allen. How about we get him a projected special player. Sauce Gardner Derek Stingley Bijan Robinson all these guys came playing at a pro ball level in their rookie season. And that’s just to name a few there have been plenty in the recent top half of drafts. Beane Needs to go get the player he regards as special at a position of need.

There was a time when we had two All pro safeties.. an all pro corner... An all pro quarterback and Linebacker 

 

And we still didn't get it done 

 

And I still like our roster better today.. we just need to keep adding good football players just making an arbitrary it needs to be an all pro is silly 

 

There are plenty of phenomenal football players who don't even become an All-Pro because it's really a club... And you're either a part of the group or you're not.. Allen had to have years and years and years of ridiculous stats to sway the narrative full time

 

That's why guys like sauce get recognition from day one even though they have a lot of holes in their game.. it's because the people that vote on it made him a part of the club from day one

Edited 11 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Vickveto]

18 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No, we're not keeping 10. And there will be trades. But there won't be a trade like what you're talking about that would require into the Top 5-10. 

 

And unfortunately, after the suspensions to Hoecht and Ogunjobi, there's actually more open roster spots than I was hoping and expecting at this point. We're actually closer to 10 than we are the 1 missing piece you're talking....

 

QB:

Josh Allen

Mitch Trubisky (maybe Mike White if they want to save money and he shows up in camp)

 

RB:

James Cook

Ray Davis

Ty Johnson

Reggie Gilliam (FB)

 

WR:

Khalil Shakir

Josh Palmer

Keon Coleman

Curtis Samuel

 

TE:

Dalton Kincaid 

Dawson Knox

 

OL:

Dion Dawkins

David Edwards

Connor McGovern

O'Cyrus Torrence

Spencer Brown

Ryan Van Demark

Alec Anderson

Tylan Grable

 

DE:

Greg Rousseau

Joey Bosa

AJ Epenesa

Javon Solomon

 

DT:

Ed Oliver

Daquan Jones

Dewayne Carter

 

LB:

Terrel Bernard

Matt Milano

Dorian Williams

Edefuan Olofoshio

Joe Andreesen 

 

CB:

Christian Benford

Taron Johnson (Nickel)

Dane Jackson

Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

S:

Taylor Rapp

Cole Bishop

Damar Hamlin

Darrick Forrest

Cam Lewis

 

ST:

Tyler Bass

Jake Camarda (?)

Reid Ferguson

Brandon Codrington (maybe Shenault instead if they feel he offers more as a Returner)

 

That's 46 roster spots. There's 7 open spots right now. And some of these 46 spots they may want to upgrade from. Specifically Carmada at Punter, maybe one of the LB'ers, maybe only one of Forrest and Hamlin stick, maybe only one of Jackson and Ingram stick. Multiple positions need big time help. Specifically DT, CB, Edge, and WR. Open spots we need 2-3 DT's (and one of them should start over Jones at 1T), at least 1 CB (and they should be in the mix to start), 1 DE, 1 WR (and they should be a solid one given the lacking group we have), and 1 TE. Maybe a Punter too as I doubt we go into camp relying on Camarda.

 

Long story short - there's going to be more Draft Picks making this team than I expected would to this point.

We went to a AFC championship with this same core. We have ONE ALL PRO CALIBER PLAYER ITS JOSH ALLEN. He needs to get a rookie that he projects to be an all pro. Waiting got us Elam and dalton Kincaid. Which Beane publicly stated was his last graded 1st rounder on the board. I want the highest graded guy on the board which is a real possibility at Cb DT and WR since their isn’t a consensus number 1 player.

[gonzo1105]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No, we're not keeping 10. And there will be trades. But there won't be a trade like what you're talking about that would require into the Top 5-10. 

 

And unfortunately, after the suspensions to Hoecht and Ogunjobi, there's actually more open roster spots than I was hoping and expecting at this point. We're actually closer to 10 than we are the 1 missing piece you're talking....

 

QB:

Josh Allen

Mitch Trubisky (maybe Mike White if they want to save money and he shows up in camp)

 

RB:

James Cook

Ray Davis

Ty Johnson

Reggie Gilliam (FB)

 

WR:

Khalil Shakir

Josh Palmer

Keon Coleman

Curtis Samuel

 

TE:

Dalton Kincaid 

Dawson Knox

 

OL:

Dion Dawkins

David Edwards

Connor McGovern

O'Cyrus Torrence

Spencer Brown

Ryan Van Demark

Alec Anderson

Tylan Grable

 

DE:

Greg Rousseau

Joey Bosa

AJ Epenesa

Javon Solomon

 

DT:

Ed Oliver

Daquan Jones

Dewayne Carter

 

LB:

Terrel Bernard

Matt Milano

Dorian Williams

Edefuan Olofoshio

Joe Andreesen 

 

CB:

Christian Benford

Taron Johnson (Nickel)

Dane Jackson

Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

S:

Taylor Rapp

Cole Bishop

Damar Hamlin

Darrick Forrest

Cam Lewis

 

ST:

Tyler Bass

Jake Camarda (?)

Reid Ferguson

Brandon Codrington (maybe Shenault instead if they feel he offers more as a Returner)

 

That's 46 roster spots. There's 7 open spots right now. And some of these 46 spots they may want to upgrade from. Specifically Carmada at Punter, maybe one of the LB'ers, maybe only one of Forrest and Hamlin stick, maybe only one of Jackson and Ingram stick. Multiple positions need big time help. Specifically DT, CB, Edge, and WR. Open spots we need 2-3 DT's (and one of them should start over Jones at 1T), at least 1 CB (and they should be in the mix to start), 1 DE, 1 WR (and they should be a solid one given the lacking group we have), and 1 TE. Maybe a Punter too as I doubt we go into camp relying on Camarda.

 

Long story short - there's going to be more Draft Picks making this team than I expected would to this point.

I agree more picks will make it as well on the surface their aren’t many spots but the Bills could add competition at a lot of spots and practice squads. 
 

I think RB, WR, TE, OG, P could all use a selection either for need, competition, or future depth.

 

We def need at least 1 DE, 1 DT, 1 LB, 1 CB That’s 9 picks  right there. Could honestly take another DE, DT, and CB without batting an eye plus comp for Hamlin/Forrest. To me getting to 10 rookies being drafted isn’t that hard. Will all of them make it maybe not but could I see them using 9 I sure can 

[BillsFanForever19]

56 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

We went to a AFC championship with this same core. We have ONE ALL PRO CALIBER PLAYER ITS JOSH ALLEN. He needs to get a rookie that he projects to be an all pro. Waiting got us Elam and dalton Kincaid. Which Beane publicly stated was his last graded 1st rounder on the board. I want the highest graded guy on the board which is a real possibility at Cb DT and WR since their isn’t a consensus number 1 player.

 

And it wasn't enough. It wasn't enough to get past KC and it CERTAINLY wouldn't have been enough to beat the Powerhouse Eagles.

 

Do you know why Josh Allen won MVP? It wasn't because he was so clearly better than Lamar. It's because he did what he did with what is perceived as a lacking roster across the board and Lamar had help all around him. We are not one "ALL PRO CALIBER PLAYER" away from winning a Championship. We had no business doing what we did last season with that roster. It's a miracle it happened and the idea that we'll always be able to do that with that kind of roster is a flawed thought.

 

You think we're bringing back the same team and are choosing to ignore that we aren't even there yet. There's glaring holes or places that needed improvement. We should have made improvements almost across the board. We haven't done that. 

 

We lost Mack Hollins, Amari Cooper, Rasul Douglas, Von Miller, Dawuane Smoot, Austin Johnson, Quintin Morris, Kaiir Elam, Sam Martin, Quinton Jefferson, and Jordan Phillips.

 

In Free Agency to hit the field Week 1, we signed Joey Bosa, Joshua Palmer, Dane Jackson, and Jake Camarda (as a future who is just a competition piece) to replace some of those players. That's it. Guys like Michael Hoecht and Larry Ogunjobi were going to replace a couple of them - but we won't have them until about halfway through the season, so we have to have guys in place for them as well.

 

You can yell about needing "ALL PRO CALIBER PLAYERS" all you want. You've been told time and again by multiple posters that what you want isn't feasible for many, MANY different reasons. Even if it were feasible and you got a "Blue Chip Prospect" - then teams are going to target Dane Jackson, or run up the gut on Daquan Jones and whomever we'd line up in the poor rotation we'd have there, or Josh is going to have a pass catcher fail him like last year when the game is on the line from a drop or people not getting open. One player is not going to solve all of those things. And that's not even taking account important depth that screwed us when 1 player went down. 

 

And just because a Draft prospect is considered "Blue Chip" doesn't mean they're going to be that. The history of the Draft is filled with just as many guys that didn't live up to their expectations then did. Or guys that were expected to be the best that were outclassed by guys who went after them.

 

We've had some of them ourselves in the Top 10. Sammy Watkins, Mike Williams, even Ed Oliver, who is decent, was expected to be much more and hasn't been as good as other DT's that came after him. Some of our best players were taken in Rounds after 1. You'd be giving up a chance on a crap ton of guys who could be the next Christian Benford, Khalil Shakir, Dion Dawkins, Matt Milano, James Cook, Taron Johnson, or O'Cyrus Torrence for one player who could completely bust out.

 

This thread has become as long as it has because you have a million posters who have pointed out a million flaws in what you're saying. And you just come back yelling the same erroneous talking points. Yell at a wall. What you want is not feasible and won't happen. We'll move around the board. We may even trade up in Round 1. But we're not going to get to where you're suggesting. And in the end, odds are we'll be a much better team all around for it. 

Edited 10 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

I think Buffalo probably and unfortunately passes on Pearce especially in a trade up. Green also has character issues but teams seem happy but I think he goes in a range where it might cost the Bills too much 

 

And I'm still not sure the Bills would take Green. 32 inch arms on an edge. That's probably an off the board for Brandon Beane.

[FireChans]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Do you know why Josh Allen won MVP? It wasn't because he was so clearly better than Lamar. It's because he did what he did with what is perceived as a lacking roster across the board and Lamar had help all around him. We are not one "ALL PRO CALIBER PLAYER" away from winning a Championship. We had no business doing what we did last season with that roster. It's a miracle it happened and the idea that we'll always be able to do that with that kind of roster is a flawed thought.

This will not be a popular opinion but is a correct one.

[Vickveto]

34 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

And it wasn't enough. It wasn't enough to get past KC and it CERTAINLY wouldn't have been enough to beat the Powerhouse Eagles.

 

Do you know why Josh Allen won MVP? It wasn't because he was so clearly better than Lamar. It's because he did what he did with what is perceived as a lacking roster across the board and Lamar had help all around him. We are not one "ALL PRO CALIBER PLAYER" away from winning a Championship. We had no business doing what we did last season with that roster. It's a miracle it happened and the idea that we'll always be able to do that with that kind of roster is a flawed thought.

 

You think we're bringing back the same team and are choosing to ignore that we aren't even there yet. There's glaring holes or places that needed improvement. We should have made improvements almost across the board. We haven't done that. 

 

We lost Mack Hollins, Amari Cooper, Rasul Douglas, Von Miller, Dawuane Smoot, Austin Johnson, Quintin Morris, Kaiir Elam, Sam Martin, Quinton Jefferson, and Jordan Phillips.

 

In Free Agency to hit the field Week 1, we signed Joey Bosa, Joshua Palmer, Dane Jackson, and Jake Camarda (as a future who is just a competition piece) to replace some of those players. That's it. Guys like Michael Hoecht and Larry Ogunjobi were going to replace a couple of them - but we won't have them until about halfway through the season, so we have to have guys in place for them as well.

 

You can yell about needing "ALL PRO CALIBER PLAYERS" all you want. You've been told time and again by multiple posters that what you want isn't feasible for many, MANY different reasons. Even if it were feasible and you got a "Blue Chip Prospect" - then teams are going to target Dane Jackson, or run up the gut on Daquan Jones and whomever we'd line up in the poor rotation we'd have there, or Josh is going to have a pass catcher fail him like last year when the game is on the line from a drop or people not getting open. One player is not going to solve all of those things. And that's not even taking account important depth that screws us when someone goes down. 

 

And just because a Draft prospect is considered "Blue Chip" doesn't mean they're going to be that. The history of the Draft is filled with just as many guys that didn't live up to their expectations them did. Or guys that were expected to be the best that were outclassed by guys who went after them.

 

We've had some of them ourselves in the Top 10. Sammy Watkins, Mike Williams, even Ed Oliver, who is decent, was expected to be much more and hasn't been as good as other DT's that came after him. Some of our best players were taken in Rounds after 1. You'd be giving up a chance on a crap ton of guys who could be the next Christian Benford, Khalil Shakir, Dion Dawkins, Matt Milano, James Cook, Taron Johnson, or O'Cyrus Torrence for one player who could completely bust out.

 

This thread has become as long as it has because you have a million posters who have pointed out a million flaws in what you're saying. And you just come back yelling the same erroneous talking points. Yell at a wall. What you want is not feasible and won't happen. We'll move around the board. We may even trade up in Round 1. But we're not going to get to where you're suggesting. And in the end, odds are we'll be a much better team all around for it. 

Pick 9 or 11 is too high? That’s the best CB DT  or wide receiver, probably on your board sitting there . Waiting around is going to get another Elam or Kincaid. 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, Vickveto said:

Pick 9 or 11 is too high? That’s the best CB DT  or wide receiver, probably on your board sitting there . Waiting around is going to get another Elam or Kincaid. 

 

A Top 10 (or 11) is too high. You've had people break down what it will cost and it isn't manageable. Even if it is, you're incredibly unlikely to get someone to drop that low.

 

The best Wide Receiver is Travis Hunter. He'll be gone in the Top 3 or 4. The best CB is Will Johnson. He'll be gone in the Top 10. The best Edge is Abdul Carter. He'll be gone in the Top 3 or 4. 

 

As for DT, that's a slightly different story. Because we don't need the best 3-Tech DT. That's Ed Oliver's spot. We're not replacing Ed Oliver and we wouldn't give up the farm for a guy who is going to rotate with Ed Oliver. What we need is a 1-Tech to replace Daquan Jones in the starting lineup. And the best person for that is Kenneth Grant. As @GunnerBill pointed out, his Draft position is a little more murky. He could go in a range that is out of our reach. Or he could fall to an area within our reach.

[BillsShredder83]

On 3/19/2025 at 8:18 PM, Billl said:

If you had the #1 overall pick but couldn’t trade it, who would you take?

I'll bet you one Sean McDermott their answer is Hunter all dayyyyyyyyy, and while hes not my favorite NFL prospect, its hard to deny what he brings to the table and our needs

[Nihilarian]

It's not about ONE all-pro or generational player, it's all about "teamwork" just look at some of the scrubs at QB that have won an SB. Jeff Hossenfeffer...Mark Ripen, Jim McMaham, Brads Johnson, Trent Diilfer, Nick Folio.

 

This year the Bills might not have even made the playoffs if not for their unbelievable turnover ratio which led the league at +24, so while the defense wasn't that good and didn't have a "generational" player on it...they did well, and it took TEAMWORK!. And yes, they had the MVP in Josh Allen because, during the course of the season, he made some amazing plays. Like running for a TD, passing for a TD, and throwing/catching a TD pass. 

 

The draft is a crapshoot and even the best-graded player might not be worth a damn because you really never know what's between their ears or in their chest, with desire or passion. My old adage in finding the best... is to look for the man amongst boys and try and find out what's in their hearts. 

 

 

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, Vickveto said:

Sf publicly stated they are in “reset” if will Johnson is there go get him. Two first and a second. Take best DT pick at 62

 

I want us to draft a CB in the 1st round but it's not a position I would trade way up for. WR and pass rusher are the only two positions I would trade up for (excluding QB obviously) because those players have the ability to take over a game. CBs are critical but they can't take over a game.

 

Personally I don't see any player in this class worth trading up for. Maybe if Tet McMillan falls below 16 you think about it but honestly his skill set seems a bit redundant with what we already have on the roster. There's no explosive WRs or premier pass rushers that are realistically going to fall low enough for us to trade up. I would just stand pat or trade down, and then package a couple 5ths to trade up into the 3rd.

[Warriorspikes51]

32 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I want us to draft a CB in the 1st round but it's not a position I would trade way up for. WR and pass rusher are the only two positions I would trade up for (excluding QB obviously) because those players have the ability to take over a game. CBs are critical but they can't take over a game.

 

Personally I don't see any player in this class worth trading up for. Maybe if Tet McMillan falls below 16 you think about it but honestly his skill set seems a bit redundant with what we already have on the roster. There's no explosive WRs or premier pass rushers that are realistically going to fall low enough for us to trade up. I would just stand pat or trade down, and then package a couple 5ths to trade up into the 3rd.

honestly I’d rather invest as much as possible in the DL early. Benford was a late round find.  
 

Sign Rasul or Gilmore for a year and draft a couple CB’s in the 4th & 5th

 

as for the WR aspect, I want Thornton from Tennessee.  I think he may get drafted much earlier than projected though. 6’5 WR’s of 215 lbs that run 4.3 aren’t common. Would be thrilled if we landed him

Edited 8 hours ago by Warriorspikes51