It’s time for a generational talent, blue chipper

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

honestly I’d rather invest as much as possible in the DL early. Benford was a late round find.  

 

I think this is the biggest misconception among Bills fans, that we can just get by with late round picks at CB. But Benford was an exception. The likes of Wallace and Jackson are good finds on late day 3/UDFA but ideally those are backups. The best CB we've drafted was Tre White who of course was a 1st rounder. So I don't subscribe to the common sentiment that we should never draft CBs high. I think currently CB2 is our weakest position on the roster by far and I would like a legit talent there. Not that I want Beane to do what he did in 2022 and only target a CB in the 1st round, but I'm hoping that's where the value ends up being.

[BillsFanForever19]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think this is the biggest misconception among Bills fans, that we can just get by with late round picks at CB. But Benford was an exception. The likes of Wallace and Jackson are good finds on late day 3/UDFA but ideally those are backups. The best CB we've drafted was Tre White who of course was a 1st rounder. So I don't subscribe to the common sentiment that we should never draft CBs high. I think currently CB2 is our weakest position on the roster by far and I would like a legit talent there. Not that I want Beane to do what he did in 2022 and only target a CB in the 1st round, but I'm hoping that's where the value ends up being.

 

There's a lot of taking the exception as the rule on this thread for different situations.

 

I agree. You aren't finding a Benford in Round 6 in every Draft. You'd be lucky to get a Dane Jackson. Guys like Jackson and Wallace were undoubtedly good returns on the investments. But that didn't make them great Cornerbacks. Just great for the return on a 7th Rounder or Undrafted. You want better then either of them at their absolute best on the other side of Benford. And you're very unlikely to find that on Day 3. 

 

That said, the idea of trading up to get Will Johnson is a laughable concept. But I would hope CB is one of our three picks in Round 1 and Round 2.

Edited March 22 by BillsFanForever19

[Billl]

3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I'll bet you one Sean McDermott their answer is Hunter all dayyyyyyyyy, and while hes not my favorite NFL prospect, its hard to deny what he brings to the table and our needs

He’s a unique talent for sure.  I’m just not convinced he’s a great CB or a great WR, though.  Similar to Jabrill Peppers, I don’t think he would be thought of as a premium player if he only played one position in college.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Billl said:

He’s a unique talent for sure.  I’m just not convinced he’s a great CB or a great WR, though.  Similar to Jabrill Peppers, I don’t think he would be thought of as a premium player if he only played one position in college.

He's not even close to jabrill peppers... He's a pure corner, who due to his extreme athleticism in football talent was able to play all over , but all the snap counts kept him down from physically dominating 

 

He absolutely has more talent at corner then sauce or Ramsey etc 

 

He was the best 17 year old corner I ever saw when I watched him live and he keeps growing 

 

The whole wanna play him 2 ways will hold him back ... 6-10 snaps a game as a reciever is all he should have and he will blossom really good at cb

[ganesh]

On 3/20/2025 at 10:05 PM, SoTier said:

 

Abdul Carter all day, every day. 

 

Unfortunately, the Bills' entire draft (all 10 picks) is only worth 1464 points, which might get the Bills to #7 or #8.  Carter will be long gone, even if two QBs go early.

What if you were to throw in a Epenesa and Knox

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

He's not even close to jabrill peppers... He's a pure corner, who due to his extreme athleticism in football talent was able to play all over , but all the snap counts kept him down from physically dominating 

 

He absolutely has more talent at corner then sauce or Ramsey etc 

 

He was the best 17 year old corner I ever saw when I watched him live and he keeps growing 

 

The whole wanna play him 2 ways will hold him back ... 6-10 snaps a game as a reciever is all he should have and he will blossom really good at cb

 

This is word for word how I see him (except I didn't watch him at 17). He is a corner and a very, very good one. If you want to have a package for him on offense, sure. But he should limit that and focus on being a corner. If he does he will be elite. The Peppers comparison is ridiculous. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is word for word how I see him (except I didn't watch him at 17). He is a corner and a very, very good one. If you want to have a package for him on offense, sure. But he should limit that and focus on being a corner. If he does he will be elite. The Peppers comparison is ridiculous. 

Yea it's ludicrous

 

I'm also worried that the powerful NFL machine with all the money behind it is going to try to two way him into something that he's not physically capable of doing 

 

That no human being is physically capable of doing at the NFL level 

 

Playing 30 plus snaps a piece both ways 

 

I think he's a tremendous football player one of the best I've ever got to witness as a pure player in his age... I think wherever he goes he could be tremendous 

 

I really believe he could be a number one wide receiver if that's what he trained for... Or he could be number one corner 

 

But you just physically can't do both at the same time at the NFL level.. and I think he's closer to  Lee Evans or DeSean Jackson at wide receiver.. a low end number one receiver with the potential to be an elite deep threat 

 

But at corner I think his bottom is Stef Gilmore.. and if  everybody remembers me from the old bbmb it's because I was pounding the table that Steph was elite  and he's one of my favorite corners the position I played 

 

But I think that's actually his floor and I've never said that about a player in my life.. his zone awareness is so good he might actually become a better zone corner than pure man in your face 

 

And that just shows how much versatility he has because he can line in front of you and play underneath bump and run.. but he might actually be better playing five yards off in a Tampa 2 shell or quarters coverage 

 

His balls skills are so good.. I really hope he just becomes a package on offense and they let him do what he does and that's cover

[GunnerBill]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yea it's ludicrous

 

I'm also worried that the powerful NFL machine with all the money behind it is going to try to two way him into something that he's not physically capable of doing 

 

That no human being is physically capable of doing at the NFL level 

 

Playing 30 plus snaps a piece both ways 

 

I think he's a tremendous football player one of the best I've ever got to witness as a pure player in his age... I think wherever he goes he could be tremendous 

 

I really believe he could be a number one wide receiver if that's what he trained for... Or he could be number one corner 

 

But you just physically can't do both at the same time at the NFL level.. and I think he's closer to  Lee Evans or DeSean Jackson at wide receiver.. a low end number one receiver with the potential to be an elite deep threat 

 

But at corner I think his bottom is Stef Gilmore.. and if  everybody remembers me from the old bbmb it's because I was pounding the table that Steph was elite  and he's one of my favorite corners the position I played 

 

But I think that's actually his floor and I've never said that about a player in my life.. his zone awareness is so good he might actually become a better zone corner than pure man in your face 

 

And that just shows how much versatility he has because he can line in front of you and play underneath bump and run.. but he might actually be better playing five yards off in a Tampa 2 shell or quarters coverage 

 

His balls skills are so good.. I really hope he just becomes a package on offense and they let him do what he does and that's cover

 

Yea I was a "Gilmore is elite" guy here as well. That was not a popular opinion. Agree with you as well that his ceiling as a WR is a high end #2 / low end #1 big play threat.

[SoTier]

6 hours ago, ganesh said:

What if you were to throw in a Epenesa and Knox

 

Unless Epenesa and Knox are better than the guys the Titans already have on their roster, why would they want them? 

 

[Ga boy]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I want us to draft a CB in the 1st round but it's not a position I would trade way up for. WR and pass rusher are the only two positions I would trade up for (excluding QB obviously) because those players have the ability to take over a game. CBs are critical but they can't take over a game.

 

Personally I don't see any player in this class worth trading up for. Maybe if Tet McMillan falls below 16 you think about it but honestly his skill set seems a bit redundant with what we already have on the roster. There's no explosive WRs or premier pass rushers that are realistically going to fall low enough for us to trade up. I would just stand pat or trade down, and then package a couple 5ths to trade up into the 3rd.

My Ga Dawgs have 2 DEs. We must get one them:  Jalon Walker or Mykel Williams.  I’d bark like a bulldog if we got Jalon.  2 firsts and a third might getter done.  Prolly Mykel is more getable.  More Dawgs the better.  Go Bills!

[ColoradoBills]

18 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Long story short - there's going to be more Draft Picks making this team than I expected would to this point

 

Also, the importance of the expanded PS with its callups make some 6th and 7th rounders making their way there important too.

[nosejob]

Abdul Carter could slide to within striking distance for Beane. He decided not to undergo surgery on a stress related foot issue which would have involved inserting a screw and missing 8 weeks. This issue will probably rear it's head at some point and likely early on. That being said, I could see the following as possible.

 

1. Titans   Hunter  with a new offensive mind in Tenn, maybe they feel they can right Levis or at worst go QB rd.2

2. Cam Ward IMO the Browns would be stupid not to swing here regardless of what vet they sign.

3. Sanders to the rotten apple.

4. NE Even with Vrabel running things, they gotta have protection. Could go Tet, but take Will Campbell LT

5. Jags opt to go pass rusher J. Walker to pair with the other Walker and Allen.

6. Raiders all over Tet.

7. Aaron Glenn grabs Will Johnson to add to the Sauce.

8. Panthers shored up their Dline. Could see Jeanty here.

9. Saints take Mason Graham here to anchor their Dline against Bijon and Jeanty.

10 Chicago gets an offer they can't refuse from Big Baller Beane.

Beane sends 30/62/109/2026 1st 2027 1st.  Bills get Carter picks 41 and 72

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Abdul Carter could slide to within striking distance for Beane. He decided not to undergo surgery on a stress related foot issue which would have involved inserting a screw and missing 8 weeks. This issue will probably rear it's head at some point and likely early on. That being said, I could see the following as possible.

 

1. Titans   Hunter  with a new offensive mind in Tenn, maybe they feel they can right Levis or at worst go QB rd.2

2. Cam Ward IMO the Browns would be stupid not to swing here regardless of what vet they sign.

3. Sanders to the rotten apple.

4. NE Even with Vrabel running things, they gotta have protection. Could go Tet, but take Will Campbell LT

5. Jags opt to go pass rusher J. Walker to pair with the other Walker and Allen.

6. Raiders all over Tet.

7. Aaron Glenn grabs Will Johnson to add to the Sauce.

8. Panthers shored up their Dline. Could see Jeanty here.

9. Saints take Mason Graham here to anchor their Dline against Bijon and Jeanty.

10 Chicago gets an offer they can't refuse from Big Baller Beane.

Beane sends 30/62/109/2026 1st 2027 1st.  Bills get Carter picks 41 and 72

 

Unless some major off field scandal hits between now and draft day there is ZERO chance Carter makes it to 10. But if he does, sure I think he is a guy you make a big move for.

[nosejob]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Unless some major off field scandal hits between now and draft day there is ZERO chance Carter makes it to 10. But if he does, sure I think he is a guy you make a big move for.

Yeah, I'm obviously spending too much time daydreaming about the draft. However I'm sure there are GMs that would shy away from a high pick that is very likely at some point to need the knife. Also the draft is still a month away and he hasn't had his pro day yet.

Edited March 22 by nosejob

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, nosejob said:

Yeah, I'm obviously spending too much time daydreaming about the draft. However I'm sure there are GMs that would shy away from a high pick that is very likely at some point to need the knife. Also the draft is still a month away and he hasn't had his pro day yet.

 

The QB class in this draft is simply not good enough to push Carter out of the top 5, much less close to #10.  There's only Ward and Sanders even being discussed as likely first rounders.   In the 2024 draft, 6 QBs went 1-2-3-8-10-12 which pushed the heralded WRs like Harrison, Nabers, and Odunze down to 4-6-9.   TE Brock Bowers dropped to 13 and DE Jared Verse to 19 because of the all the teams chasing the QBs.  

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The QB class in this draft is simply not good enough to push Carter out of the top 5, much less close to #10.  There's only Ward and Sanders even being discussed as likely first rounders.   In the 2024 draft, 6 QBs went 1-2-3-8-10-12 which pushed the heralded WRs like Harrison, Nabers, and Odunze down to 4-6-9.   TE Brock Bowers dropped to 13 and DE Jared Verse to 19 because of the all the teams chasing the QBs.  

Yeah it’s a shame because it may be another 6 or 8 years before we get talent pushed so far back. Was probably our best shot of being in striking distance. 

[nosejob]

6 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The QB class in this draft is simply not good enough to push Carter out of the top 5, much less close to #10.  There's only Ward and Sanders even being discussed as likely first rounders.   In the 2024 draft, 6 QBs went 1-2-3-8-10-12 which pushed the heralded WRs like Harrison, Nabers, and Odunze down to 4-6-9.   TE Brock Bowers dropped to 13 and DE Jared Verse to 19 because of the all the teams chasing the QBs.  

We won't mention where BTJ went....

[HappyDays]

Here's a question - if Jihaad Campbell slides because of his shoulder surgery, should we take him? It could be an 8-9 month recovery so he might miss a good portion of his rookie season, and torn labrums are at risk of re-injury if not managed correctly. The book on him is he could be the next Micah Parsons who transitions from LB to pass rusher at the next level. 

[nosejob]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Here's a question - if Jihaad Campbell slides because of his shoulder surgery, should we take him? It could be an 8-9 month recovery so he might miss a good portion of his rookie season, and torn labrums are at risk of re-injury if not managed correctly. The book on him is he could be the next Micah Parsons who transitions from LB to pass rusher at the next level. 

I vote nay

[FireChans]

24 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Here's a question - if Jihaad Campbell slides because of his shoulder surgery, should we take him? It could be an 8-9 month recovery so he might miss a good portion of his rookie season, and torn labrums are at risk of re-injury if not managed correctly. The book on him is he could be the next Micah Parsons who transitions from LB to pass rusher at the next level. 

Trade for someone else to take him.

 

I don’t want projects. It’s too late.