Will Josh ever be a pocket QB like the GOAT

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

They seem to depend on the defense breaking down more with using athleticism. Brees, Brady, Manning, were not going to run. Which I think forces more development in reading defenses to be honest. When will Josh become better in the pocket? When he doesn't have a choice. 

I don't think QBs like that exist anymore because that isn't how the college game is played and NFL teams don't wait for guys to develop in that way, so to succeed you have to have some athleticism and rare physical attributes today.

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

I don't think QBs like that exist anymore because that isn't how the college game is played and NFL teams don't wait for guys to develop in that way, so to succeed you have to have some athleticism and rare physical attributes today.

That's interesting. I agree, the college game is calling more for QB's like that. I still think a true cerebral pocket guy is the most dangerous. But as I called out, I don't think those guys develop the same when they're very athletic. They aren't forced to read a defense correctly to make a play. They use athleticism as a bail out. Allen is the same way, he's just probably the best ever at doing so.   

Edited Wednesday at 10:19 PM by Mikie2times

[BillsFanForever19]

1.) Pocket QB's are a relic of the past. You have to be able to make things happen on the move and improvise more in today's NFL.

 

2.) Even if they weren't - Josh Allen isn't and never will be a straight pocket passer.

 

Josh has greatly improved his accuracy since his College days. But he's still not at a level where he's so accurate with his passes that you can completely remove his ability to extend drives with his legs.

 

How often have we seen passes that are just off the mark or straight up poorly thrown at receivers feet? Take away his ability to extend drives with his feet and rely solely on accuracy and you don't have an MVP QB anymore.

Edited yesterday at 01:28 AM by BillsFanForever19

[Doc Brown]

8 hours ago, transient said:

Yes, but Joe Burrow is going to have a short career as a pocket QB if he continues to take the beating that he has to date.

Andrew Luck averaged getting stacked 2.02 times per game.  Joe Burrow has averaged getting sacked 2.96 times per game.  He's going to have to play through a lot of pain if he wants a long career.

Edited Wednesday at 10:23 PM by Doc Brown

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

His height and arm strength increase the likelihood he can play a very long time, moving more toward a pocket passer later in his career. Getting older is much more challenging for shorter QBs like Wilson, and even Rodgers who is barely 6’2”. 

 

That was Newtons problem, he didn't have the arm strength and once the big edge with his legs was done, he was done too.

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

That was Newtons problem, he didn't have the arm strength and once the big edge with his legs was done, he was done too.

Cam had elite arm strength prior to injury. His body broke down fast. He basically got his arm taken from him and his body aged so he didn't have his legs. He was a shell of himself the last few years. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:39 PM by Mikie2times

[Ga boy]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I know some fans don't get it, but he needs to be more cerebral 

If you equate cerebral to film study and knowing the playbook, that’s what made Brady great.  His athletic talent wasn’t good enough by itself.  I remember reading about how Hank Aaron studied pitchers.  He knew their tendencies in every situation, for every ball/strike count.  It helps to put in the cerebral prep.

[SoonerBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

If you equate cerebral to film study and knowing the playbook, that’s what made Brady great.  His athletic talent wasn’t good enough by itself.  I remember reading about how Hank Aaron studied pitchers.  He knew their tendencies in every situation, for every ball/strike count.  It helps to put in the cerebral prep.

I saw an interview with Brady around SB time.  He talked about how against KC, when he was with Tampa, he knew them well enough he could tell what they were doing by like foot position. I don't remember all the details but man it was amazing.

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Cam had elite arm strength prior to injury. His body broke down fast. He basically got his arm taken from him and his body aged so he didn't have his legs. He was a shell of himself the last few years. 

 

 

This is why, along with loss of his Legs, Allen needs to rely on his mind, vs physical attributes. 

Edited yesterday at 12:27 AM by SoonerBillsFan

[Chandler#81]

8 hours ago, Lafromboise said:

Hey I watch all the games like everyone else. It's definitely not his strong point it's either slightly under thrown or slightly over thrown maybe his arm is that strong idk. I'm not bashing the guy but definitely can improve with his touch also. I'm not Talking about 20 yard passes but deep go routes? 7 years in I'd like him to be better at it

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[Mat68]

 

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[Mango]

I think some things have changed but not totally.

 

I think for a QB to "arrive" in the NFL their legs have to be "in addition to" his passing accumen. A QB can only get by/cover up their lack of passing talent for so long with their legs.

 

That said, I think that there are so many guys coming out of college who are good passers with wheels has increased the need for the "in addition to" part of their game.