Will Josh ever be a pocket QB like the GOAT

[Matt_In_NH]

just enjoy it.....he will never be some other QB from the past.

[Draconator]

49 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Looks like I won the off season.

Are you proud?

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

His height and arm strength increase the likelihood he can play a very long time, moving more toward a pocket passer later in his career. Getting older is much more challenging for shorter QBs like Wilson, and even Rodgers who is barely 6’2”. 

 

Until he got to the Jets, Rodgers made a career as a very mobile QB.

 

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

As he gets older, he won't run nearly as much. Think of Elway. Different game back then but John could run and scramble to avoid the rush. As he got older, he settled in as a pocket passer only. Having Davis as his RB helped a lot.

 

Elway's run game is more myth than fact.  212 yards per season. under 4 carries a game. Davis helped for sure--so did Rod Smith.  Bur Shanahan was the real difference.

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Until he got to the Jets, Rodgers made a career as a very mobile QB.

 

 

Elway's run game is more myth than fact.  212 yards per season. under 4 carries a game. Davis helped for sure--so did Rod Smith.  Bur Shanahan was the real difference.

 

Different game back then. You didn't have designed runs for QBs like you see today. Just about every QB in college runs now. Elway would run to avoid the rush or if the play broke down, he would run to pick up the first down. He was considered a running QB from his era, but it was nothing like today's game.

[Lafromboise]

His deep ball still sucks. Am I the only one?

[Captain Hindsight]

Is anyone worried about Josh being able to play in front of big crowds?

[hondo in seattle]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

Not even Joe Burrow is a pure pocket passer like the days of old. He still has some athleticism and can scramble and get outside of the pocket and make throws. Guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning would rush for 60 yards a season. That's a big difference.

 

I get what you're saying but I wonder if this a true reflection of the "days of old."  Not all the old-time QBs were statues.  

Fran Tarkenton was an amazing scrambler.   Steve Young, John Elway, Greg Landry, Otto Graham among others were hardly statuesque.  

 

If these aren't "old" enough, how about Tommy Hughitt who led the Buffalo All-Americans to a 9-1-1 record in 1920 and 9-1-2 record in 1921 as a dual-threat quarterback.

 

Certainly, mobility seems to be an important trait now more than it was in, say, the 1980s.  But there have always been mobile QBs.  

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:13 PM by hondo in seattle

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I get what you're saying but I wonder if this a true reflection of the "days of old."  Not all the old-time QBs were statues.  

Fran Tarkenton was an amazing scrambler.   Steve Young, John Elway, Greg Landry, Otto Graham among others were hardly statuesque.  

 

If these aren't "old" enough, how about Tommy Hughitt who led the Buffalo All-Americans to a 9-1-1 record in 1920 and 9-1-2 record in 1921 as a dual-threat quarterback.

 

Certainly, mobility seems to be an important trait now than it was in, say, the 1980s.  But there have always been mobile QBs.  

I know that. But the post is about Tom Brady and being a pocket passer like him. And I'm saying those days are over. I never claimed that there weren't dual threat QBs before. I'm saying you can't be just a pocket passer in this league anymore, at this moment in time. There has always been a place for dual threat QBs in the league, and there will continue to be.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Ga boy said:

Has anyone ever done an analysis of the percentage of plays that JA17 goes off script with plays, say, compared to Tom Brady?  Last year, Josh was more selective in running the ball, but passing still seems to be mostly sandlot ball.  Every year I think I’ll see our QB become more of a pocket passer.  Maybe he just can’t do it.  After all, he is MVP, so why change.  The main reason to change is to give him more years to win multiple Lombardi’s.  When will he become a pocket passer?  He has the gun of Marino so he should be able to do it.

 

You can't stop Josh Allen, you can only hope to contain him.

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

I know that. But the post is about Tom Brady and being a pocket passer like him. And I'm saying those days are over. I never claimed that there weren't dual threat QBs before. I'm saying you can't be just a pocket passer in this league anymore, at this moment in time. There has always been a place for dual threat QBs in the league, and there will continue to be.

 

You see it in college. Every QB runs and they have designed runs for them in the running game. That is carrying over into the NFL today.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Ga boy said:

Has anyone ever done an analysis of the percentage of plays that JA17 goes off script with plays, say, compared to Tom Brady?  Last year, Josh was more selective in running the ball, but passing still seems to be mostly sandlot ball.  Every year I think I’ll see our QB become more of a pocket passer.  Maybe he just can’t do it.  After all, he is MVP, so why change.  The main reason to change is to give him more years to win multiple Lombardi’s.  When will he become a pocket passer?  He has the gun of Marino so he should be able to do it.

I hear you.  It's just so frustrating to see how recent Super Bowl winning QB's like Mahomes & Hurts, spend all day in the pocket just slinging the ball around.  I mean I've never seen either of them leave the pocket or have success off schedule.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

18 minutes ago, Lafromboise said:

His deep ball still sucks. Am I the only one?

Yes, the ONLY one.. 🤦‍♂️

[Lafromboise]

28 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Yes, the ONLY one.. 🤦‍♂️

Hey I watch all the games like everyone else. It's definitely not his strong point it's either slightly under thrown or slightly over thrown maybe his arm is that strong idk. I'm not bashing the guy but definitely can improve with his touch also. I'm not Talking about 20 yard passes but deep go routes? 7 years in I'd like him to be better at it

[oldmanfan]

No reason he can’t.

[PonyBoy]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We have officially reached peak offseason 

 

If the moon was made of BBQ spare ribs would you eat it?

 

It's a simple question!

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:19 PM by PonyBoy
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[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Ga boy said:

Has anyone ever done an analysis of the percentage of plays that JA17 goes off script with plays, say, compared to Tom Brady?  Last year, Josh was more selective in running the ball, but passing still seems to be mostly sandlot ball.  Every year I think I’ll see our QB become more of a pocket passer.  Maybe he just can’t do it.  After all, he is MVP, so why change.  The main reason to change is to give him more years to win multiple Lombardi’s.  When will he become a pocket passer?  He has the gun of Marino so he should be able to do it.

You can't compare Allen to Brady, because Allen is not a crybaby, he doesn't rely on his coach using a video camera, or the referees to never call holding on his offensive line.

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Joe Burrow may disagree with you as I wouldn't consider him overly mobile granted he did rush for 200 yards last season. 

He is also hurt every other year. 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I get what you're saying but I wonder if this a true reflection of the "days of old."  Not all the old-time QBs were statues.  

Fran Tarkenton was an amazing scrambler.   Steve Young, John Elway, Greg Landry, Otto Graham among others were hardly statuesque.  

 

If these aren't "old" enough, how about Tommy Hughitt who led the Buffalo All-Americans to a 9-1-1 record in 1920 and 9-1-2 record in 1921 as a dual-threat quarterback.

 

Certainly, mobility seems to be an important trait now than it was in, say, the 1980s.  But there have always been mobile QBs.  

Otto Graham refence prior to 1pm. Check

[Matt_In_NH]

Joe Montana was actually quite mobile

[Mat68]

As Allen ages I expect his running to decrease.  Tom was never elusive or fast.  He was a big guy with an above average arm.  Allens numbers completely shatter Brady at the same point in their careers.  Brady didnt pass for over 4,000 yard in a season until he was 28 and didnt pass over 30 tds until he was 30.    Brady played with all-time defenses that propelled him to early success.  He was not a top 5 passer until he was 30 plus. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:52 PM by Mat68