Will Josh ever be a pocket QB like the GOAT

[Ga boy]

Has anyone ever done an analysis of the percentage of plays that JA17 goes off script with plays, say, compared to Tom Brady?  Last year, Josh was more selective in running the ball, but passing still seems to be mostly sandlot ball.  Every year I think I’ll see our QB become more of a pocket passer.  Maybe he just can’t do it.  After all, he is MVP, so why change.  The main reason to change is to give him more years to win multiple Lombardi’s.  When will he become a pocket passer?  He has the gun of Marino so he should be able to do it.

[Charles Romes]

His height and arm strength increase the likelihood he can play a very long time, moving more toward a pocket passer later in his career. Getting older is much more challenging for shorter QBs like Wilson, and even Rodgers who is barely 6’2”. 

[MJS]

The days of pure pocket passers is over.

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

The days of pure pocket passers is over.

Joe Burrow may disagree with you as I wouldn't consider him overly mobile granted he did rush for 200 yards last season. 

[transient]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Joe Burrow may disagree with you as I wouldn't consider him overly mobile granted he did rush for 200 yards last season. 

Yes, but Joe Burrow is going to have a short career as a pocket QB if he continues to take the beating that he has to date.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, transient said:

Yes, but Joe Burrow is going to have a short career as a pocket QB if he continues to take the beating that he has to date.

I won't dismiss that as he has poor pocket presence. 

[Gregg]

As he gets older, he won't run nearly as much. Think of Elway. Different game back then but John could run and scramble to avoid the rush. As he got older, he settled in as a pocket passer only. Having Davis as his RB helped a lot.

[Utah John]

I think Allen is safer moving out of the pocket and passing, than he is either remaining in the pocket where someone could fall on his knees, or when he chooses to run.  Even when he runs he usually can see what's coming and can protect himself, although there certainly are plays when he takes a shot or lands awkwardly.  

 

Brady's offense relied on quick passes to receivers who could get open quickly. And he always had a good O line.  He was so smart he could diagnose where the defense was attacking and usually could identify which receiver would be open.  And he became a great, accurate passer for long balls when he needed to and when the opportunity presented itself.  

 

The QB who's the true GOAT, IMHO, is Joe Montana, and he was certainly willing to get out of the pocket and move.  At his time, he was one of the more effective QBs at scrambling, as it used to be called.  When he got replaced in SF by a younger (and also quite good) Steve Young, Young was even more of a threat to run, possibly at that point the best running QB who was also very good at passing, in NFL history.  So much comes down to the skills of the individual and how the coaches design the offense around that guy.

[PoundingDog]

I think the game has changed some. Mobile QB that can throw is the norm now. Guys like Burrow is the rare one. I agree Burrow may have a shorter career than Josh but that has less to do with Burrow being immobile, more abut Burrow's body build. The GOAT got big hits rarely and he has a much stronger QB body than Burrow.

 

I expect Josh to be smart enough to increase his conditional as he gets older (less beer guzzling and wine drink for example) so he can still move some. Also his experience will allow he to be smarter in terms when to risk all for run and when not to. I use Roethlisberger as an example but expect/hope Josh can still move unlike Roethlisberger's last 3 years. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Joe Burrow may disagree with you as I wouldn't consider him overly mobile granted he did rush for 200 yards last season. 

He also got obliterated behind a pretty bad offensive line all year and missed the playoffs because all the talent is on the offensive side 

[Puckman5]

Rich Gannon was running around making plays in his late 30's.  Some of it will depend on injuries.

[strive_for_five_guy]

44 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Has anyone ever done an analysis of the percentage of plays that JA17 goes off script with plays, say, compared to Tom Brady?  Last year, Josh was more selective in running the ball, but passing still seems to be mostly sandlot ball.  Every year I think I’ll see our QB become more of a pocket passer.  Maybe he just can’t do it.  After all, he is MVP, so why change.  The main reason to change is to give him more years to win multiple Lombardi’s.  When will he become a pocket passer?  He has the gun of Marino so he should be able to do it.

Do you think he’ll be more effective as a pocket passer?

[Kirby Jackson]

We have officially reached peak offseason 

[wppete]

 

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We have officially reached peak offseason 

Tis the season 

Edited yesterday at 01:45 PM by wppete

[Shaw66]

No, he will be a pocket QB like Elway and Roethlisberger. He will not go down like a bag of goose feathers like the goat did. 

[Gregg]

13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We have officially reached peak offseason 

 

We still have over a month until the draft. April 24th - 26th. 

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

Tis the season 

 

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

We still have over a month until the draft. April 24th - 26th. 

Yep!! This is the kind of stuff that we get until @Virgil starts the mock draft threads. That’s when the conversation gets going again.

[Ga boy]

Looks like I won the off season.

[uticaclub]

He’ll need much better WRs and game planning for that to happen

[MJS]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Joe Burrow may disagree with you as I wouldn't consider him overly mobile granted he did rush for 200 yards last season. 

Not even Joe Burrow is a pure pocket passer like the days of old. He still has some athleticism and can scramble and get outside of the pocket and make throws. Guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning would rush for 60 yards a season. That's a big difference.

Edited yesterday at 02:48 PM by MJS