Derek Stingley Jr. Resets the CB Market

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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh he was. He was horrible. 

 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh he was. He was horrible. 

yeah the Elam thing will be an ongoing mystery... will be interesting what the Cowboys do with him

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Shaw, I'm with you on Benford being good and extremely good piece as used by the Bills.

 

But the FO has to consider health issues when making this deal.  It's a huge risk to the organization. 

And it's a huge risk to Benford to turn down a large chunk of guaranteed money with his concussion history.

 

The health issue may be hard to quantify but the FO and Benford need to do it.

Oh, I wasn't clear.  I agree completely that the health question is critical in making the deal.  What I meant was I wasn't going to talk about the health issue.  I just wanted to talk about the fact that guys are valued differently by different teams because of how the player's talents fit the team.  Benford is a really good all-round corner, which is exactly what the Bills want.

 

Benford is like Rousseau, Oliver, Bernard, Milano, Poyer, and Hyde.  They're all guys who are really good at their position, really good, but not explosive play makers, not All-Pros.  And all you need is one of those All-Pros.  So the question is do you get rid of Oliver because maybe the next DT will be better? No, he's too good. You have to hope the real stud will show up at some other position.  Same with Rousseau. And I think it's the same with Benford.  He's too good not to keep.  But only at a price that properly reflects the injury risk, if there is one.

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1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

The Bills have proven they can find and develop good to solid CBs pretty easily.

Tre White, Taron Johnson, Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Christian Benford.

 

Jamarcus Ingram has looked promising in limited action, and may have a shot landing a starting job this year. 

Daequan Hardy was very good in preseason last year, and could eventually turn into something.

 

Even Kaiir Elam was solid when he actually got on the field.  I'm convinced that if Buffalo was forced to play him more often, he would have proven to be at least a serviceable starter on the outside.

 

No matter how much I like Benford, I really think Beane needs to factor this into contract negotiations.  Why sign him to a monster contract, when our coaching staff can seemingly turn Day 3 picks and UDFAs into starting caliber defensive backs?  Use the high picks and money on positions that we can't get right (D-Line) and hope to get lucky.

 

My sense is the Bills will continue transitioning and may be playing a lot of man by seasons end, assuming a new set of DTs are run-stuffing and  Bosa is healthy and producing by then .   That will be the moment of truth for Benford as he'll need to be taking the ball away, etc.  not just sitting in a zone.   If he can do that and not get a third concussion (or successfully come back from a third), then maybe the extension might make sense, but I just don't see Beane doing it at anywhere near Stingley money. 

 

If the pass rush is getting there, a hot rookie (or GunnerBill  can successlfully play man if the ball starts needing to come out in under 2  sec. 

 

Go draft us some hot DBs Beane.  

[DrMaxPower]

Beane's comments made it sound like they were already not on the same page with Benford on value. This pretty much ends any likelihood of an extension IMO.

 

They'll draft a corner early and go from there. If he gives them confidence over the course of the season he can be a CB1 I think they'll move Benford. If not, they'll tag him and reconsider after another year.

 

A couple months ago Benford was my 1st priority to resign. Then he took back to back concussions to close the season with the 2nd one of the scary variety. Add that to him apparently chasing top dollar and I think he's now a guy you let someone else pay if you have a reasonable replacement.

[CSBill]

11 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

just not quite good enough to get that extra $1 million guaranteed 

 

an extra incentive for the next contract

[gobills404]

15 hours ago, MJS said:

He has been doing it his entire career, not just last year.

He’s been good his whole career but he wasn’t elite until this last season when he took it to another level

[GunnerBill]

19 hours ago, Utah John said:

The Texans front office seems to make questionable moves.  They gave up a huge haul to Miami to get Laremy Tunsil, who did play very well for years but wasn't the best LT in football.  They gave up a second to the Bills for Stefon Diggs as a one-season rental when they really didn't need another great WR, and unfortunately Diggs got hurt so he didn't even play a full season.  Now this enormous contract, way out of line with what other top CBs have been getting.  The winners in all this are of course Stingley but also Stingley's agent, who twisted the Texans into paying this much.  Stroud's rookie contract will run out before Stingley's new contract does, so there will be a period in there when the Texans are really up against the cap.

 

I doubt it. Stingley's contract is for the the final two years of his rookie deal plus 3 new years. The big numbers will hit in years four and five. Year five will be 2029. The conservative estimates of the salary cap in 2029 are $410m. That is based on the numbers in the current TV deals which are due to run until 2033. But it came out last year the NFL has a clause to end those deals early in 2029 and run new deals from 2030. While that probably doesn't make a big difference to the 2029 cap it means the 2030 cap could take a very significant bump - and teams will be happy to kick the can into that year with restructure etc to create cap relief. By the end of the decade the salary cap is going to be not far short of $500m.