Derek Stingley Jr. Resets the CB Market

[BuffaloBill]

16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve been thinking that Benford becomes a prime franchise tag candidate. This makes it even more likely IMO. If he gets through this year, at the level he played at this year, he gets tagged next year if a deal can’t be worked out. He may even get it twice.

 

 

This is an interesting thought because the Bills under Beane have not been prone to tag players.  You are correct that’s Benford might possibly become an exception to this general trend.  

[MJS]

20 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

At this point just wait until next year to extend Benford. I he’s gonna cost us somewhere in this ballpark anyways then might as well make sure he can replicate what he did this past year.

He has been doing it his entire career, not just last year.

[DapperCam]

If the cost to extend Benford now and after the end of next season is approximately the same, it benefits the Bills to have him play this season and prove he can do it again. They risk losing him to UFA, but that’s just how it goes sometimes. We could also franchise tag him at that point.

[Royale with Cheese]

Do you guys think that if 10 attempts with Allen throwing the ball, I could catch one pass on Stingley?

He can play press and Allen 3 seconds to the ball.

 

It's just one catch.  It can be a short crossing route....

I think I can get one.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Do you guys think that if 10 attempts with Allen throwing the ball, I could catch one pass on Stingley?

He can play press and Allen 3 seconds to the ball.

 

It's just one catch.  It can be a short crossing route....

I think I can get one.

 

This is the kind of PPV event that just might get me to tune in. 

[DCofNC]

25 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Do you guys think that if 10 attempts with Allen throwing the ball, I could catch one pass on Stingley?

He can play press and Allen 3 seconds to the ball.

 

It's just one catch.  It can be a short crossing route....

I think I can get one.

I believe Allen can hit you, can you hold on to it?  This I have serious doubts about.

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I believe Allen can hit you, can you hold on to it?  This I have serious doubts about.

 

Am I sober?

[Magox]

It's easy to say that the Bills should have locked up Benford by now but we don't know what he was asking.   With that said, his price went up and there is no way that I see that the Bills will let him walk.

 

The sooner they lock him up the lower they will have to pay.   His bag went up probably around $3-$5M more AAV than what it could have been had just 2 weeks ago.

 

WR's don't get separation against and they don't get too many meaningful catches on him.

 

 

 

 

[ddaryl]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Teams can't afford paying every position $30 or $40 million a year and as you said, if I am paying for tickets, I wanna see a good product. When you have to let some good players go because you are paying DBs $30 million a year, then it isn't intriguing to the fan

Agreed, but they do and they constantly factor in the cap going up and up and up... Until it starts coming down nothing will really change accept for the amount you will be expected to shell out season after season for the right to watch a game.

fans need to say enough is enough, and back up their words with their wallets

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, Magox said:

It's easy to say that the Bills should have locked up Benford by now but we don't know what he was asking.   With that said, his price went up and there is no way that I see that the Bills will let him walk.

 

The sooner they lock him up the lower they will have to pay.   His bag went up probably around $3-$5M more AAV than what it could have been had just 2 weeks ago.

 

WR's don't get separation against and they don't get too many meaningful catches on him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The success of Rousseau and Benford more than makes up for the bust picks of Basham and Elam..........but Beane should note that if he is drafting needy like that then he needs to keep taking 2 of them.    

 

Beane has been terrible at pro personnel and hasn't gotten enough star players for our liking in the draft but I do appreciate some of his technique.

 

Polian, Butler and Donahoe used to drive me crazy with their decisions in the draft.    I remember the 1995 draft was absolutely loaded with guard talent and the Bills were a mess on the OL.    I felt they needed to come out of that with 2 of those studs.   They got Ruben Brown but sat on their hands and drafted Todd Collins in round 2 instead of making a slight move up for one of a BUNCH of tremendous interior OL who were still on the board.  You have to draft to the strength of that draft.   And especially if you are doing so needily.

Edited 20 hours ago by BADOLBILZ

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Do you guys think that if 10 attempts with Allen throwing the ball, I could catch one pass on Stingley?

He can play press and Allen 3 seconds to the ball.

 

It's just one catch.  It can be a short crossing route....

I think I can get one.

 

Not a chance. 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not a chance. 

 

When I was in high school, I was recruited by football powerhouses like West Georgia and Carson Newman.  I do have hidden talent.

[Dan Darragh]

2 hours ago, Magox said:

The CB market up until now had the highest paid guy at $25M AAV, which is criminally undervalued.   

We all love sports but let's get some perspective here.  "Criminally undervalued" does not apply to a person making generational wealth for providing no useful goods or services.  Maybe it's "below market" when the market consists of other people playing the same sport whose generational wealth is even greater, but look around you at all the people whose jobs you would never agree to do, at any price, who provide us with things we really need.

 

Let's enjoy the football but please keep it in proportion to the world we live in.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

When I was in high school, I was recruited by football powerhouses like West Georgia and Carson Newman.  I do have hidden talent.

 

very, very well hidden

[GASabresIUFan]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

yeah, thankfully this is a CB deep draft.  I'm starting to wonder if we grab 2.  Something like Amos/Morrisson, then Strong/Dotson/Parrish/Dotson/Bryant later.  

 

 

I have been drafting 2 in every mock draft.  The Bills need a starter and depth.  If they can get two potential starters so much the better.  Remember the depth behind Benford is UDFA Ingram and Dane Jackson who had a PFF grade of 33 (214th of 222 cb) last season.  

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I like Benford, but he's not in the 25-30m AYV league IMO. 
 

His average completion percentage the last 2 years is right around 65% with (I think) 4 INTs.
 

Stingly's 2 year average is 47% with 10 INTs. 
 

I get they are different types of CBs and what Benford does, he's very good at it. 

Edited 19 hours ago by TheyCallMeAndy

[transplantbillsfan]

 

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

that's cute.

 

Benford hasn't proven he's anywhere near that IMO

 

 

Really???

 

How much game film do you watch? How many times have you seen Benford get burned or even targeted over the years?

 

I don't watch film but trust the guys who do like Joe Marino, Nate Tice, Bruce Nolan and Robert Mayes. Those guys all think he's somewhere in the range of really good to Elite.

 

Benford's camp was smart to hold out. His price range is probably somewhere between $25-$30m AAV

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

yeah, thankfully this is a CB deep draft.  I'm starting to wonder if we grab 2.  Something like Amos/Morrisson, then Strong/Dotson/Parrish/Dotson/Bryant later.  

 

 

Maybe even three or four.

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I like Benford, but he's not in the 25-30m AYV league IMO. 
 

His average completion percentage the last 2 years is right around 65% with (I think) 4 INTs.
 

Stingly's 2 year average is 47% with 10 INTs. 
 

I get they are different types of CBs and what Benford does, he's very good at it. 

 

That is a little bit driven by function of the defense but I also don't disagree that there is a talent gap. Stingley is elite. Benford is really good, I'm not yet sold he is elite. He is a kinda borderline top 10 outside corner. Stingley is a top 4 or 5 guy. 

[Utah John]

The Texans front office seems to make questionable moves.  They gave up a huge haul to Miami to get Laremy Tunsil, who did play very well for years but wasn't the best LT in football.  They gave up a second to the Bills for Stefon Diggs as a one-season rental when they really didn't need another great WR, and unfortunately Diggs got hurt so he didn't even play a full season.  Now this enormous contract, way out of line with what other top CBs have been getting.  The winners in all this are of course Stingley but also Stingley's agent, who twisted the Texans into paying this much.  Stroud's rookie contract will run out before Stingley's new contract does, so there will be a period in there when the Texans are really up against the cap.