2025 Buffalo Passing Game

[The Jokeman]

4 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I posted this list on the Diggs thread, but it also belongs here as the Bills need speed on that outside.  
 

I think all these guys will be available to the Bills during the draft.  Felton and Williams are ranked way too low imho.

 

Isaiah Bond - 4.39  -- ranked 6th, 2024 production 33-532-5,  5'11 180

Tai Felton - 4.37 -- ranked 18th, 2024 production 96-1124-9, 6'1 183

Kyle Williams - 4.40  -- ranked 21st,  2024 production 70-1198-14, 5'11 190

Arian Smith - 4.36  -- ranked 22nd, 2024 production 48-817-4, 6' 179

 

Rankings from WalterFootball.com

I'm a Felton fan also like Dont'e Thornton Jr. in Round 4 or 5.

[billsfan_34]

9 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I'm still puzzled about Samuel,  he was a very good playmaker in Wash. Loved the signing.  

Alot depends on Colemans progress, he showed flashes just lacked consistency.  

Shakir is elite imo

Palmer has the ability to be a stud

With all the picks they have , I wouldn't be surprised with 2 day 3 WRs , and 1 shakes out

Samuel was playing injured came on nicely down the stretch

[ProcessTruster]

9 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I'm still puzzled about Samuel,  he was a very good playmaker in Wash. Loved the signing.  

Alot depends on Colemans progress, he showed flashes just lacked consistency.  

Shakir is elite imo

Palmer has the ability to be a stud

With all the picks they have , I wouldn't be surprised with 2 day 3 WRs , and 1 shakes out

Samuel had turf toe from preseason til mid season.   Devastating injury.  You can barely walk.  He was out of the offensive loop for 3 months. 

 

Once he was healthy , he was fine.   I live in the DC area and he was dynamic with the crappy Redskins QBs he was stuck with.  

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by ProcessTruster

[djp14150]

10 hours ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

This is a really simple topic and something I just wanted to throw out there to see how everyone is feeling regarding the current crop of weapons Allen has to distribute the ball to this season.  How are we feeling with Shakir, Coleman, Palmer, and Curtis Samuel as Allen's wide receivers heading into the season?  Feesl a tad underwhelming to me even if we also factor in Kincaid and Knox.  Does anyone think Buffalo is planning on drafting a wr early or trading for one or is this group most likely what we have to work with this season?  

It will be similar to 2024

 

what is this fascination with wanting to have a “ name” receiver?

[Billsfed1]

Based on what they did last year I think they’ll be fine, and they should be improved from last year.  One thing i’d like to see is more eligible plays at the goal line.  

 

It’s one more tool in the tool bag, inside the 5 where the Bills have been excellent.  

 

Report Dion 3-5 times a game to make them think and slow them down mentally for an easy Davis TD.

Edited 15 hours ago by Billsfed1

[Dr. Who]

15 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

It will be similar to 2024

 

what is this fascination with wanting to have a “ name” receiver?

That characterization isn't really correct, but it certainly tilts the conversation towards a particular stance.

 

2024 was not good enough, and if it were, there wouldn't have been a  mid-season trade of a third round pick for the oft-injured and relatively disappointing Cooper. If anything, you could say that bringing in Palmer at least establishes a higher floor for boundary receiver, so I expect on paper 2025 is slightly ahead of last year.

 

I would have liked Metcalf not because he's a "name," but because he is an excellent boundary receiver with speed that can beat press coverage. For the same reason, I'd like to draft a WR relatively early with those traits, but given the needs on D, it likely won't happen till day 3.

Edited 15 hours ago by Dr. Who

[Jrb1979]

15 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

It will be similar to 2024

 

what is this fascination with wanting to have a “ name” receiver?

It's not a fascination. You look at all the recent Super Bowl winners. They all had a true number 1 pass catcher. Either a TE or WR. 

 

I on the fence that they can repeat the offense from last year. A lot of things went their way last season. They played a lot of non playoff teams, had insane turnover differential, which isn't something that many teams repeat. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

It's not a fascination. You look at all the recent Super Bowl winners. They all had a true number 1 pass catcher. Either a TE or WR. 

 

I on the fence that they can repeat the offense from last year. A lot of things went their way last season. They played a lot of non playoff teams, had insane turnover differential, which isn't something that many teams repeat. 

I've said this before here, but the lack of explosive plays means a better chance of regression towards the mean on the turnover front. The margin for error is much less, and I think it also bites you in those gotta have it moments in playoff games. Not wanting more elite talent at WR is just not smart, and it's consistently been missing from Beane's approach to team building.

 

 

[Figster]

11 hours ago, Gregg said:

They will probably draft a WR, but I don't think it will be in the early rounds. Defense needs a lot of help. I expect Beane will use the early rounds for defensive help.

O really wasn't the problem last season IMO. Fantastic ball distribution by Brady/Allen made Buffalo one of the hardest teams to defend against. Allen has taken on more of a Tom Brady like command with plenty of good targets still acclimating under Joe Brady IMO. Plug and play.

 

Bills young GM has been somewhat hit and miss on high round draft picks. Going all out on D in early rounds fits the Bill/s

Edited 15 hours ago by Figster

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

11 hours ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

This is a really simple topic and something I just wanted to throw out there to see how everyone is feeling regarding the current crop of weapons Allen has to distribute the ball to this season.  How are we feeling with Shakir, Coleman, Palmer, and Curtis Samuel as Allen's wide receivers heading into the season?  Feesl a tad underwhelming to me even if we also factor in Kincaid and Knox.  Does anyone think Buffalo is planning on drafting a wr early or trading for one or is this group most likely what we have to work with this season?  

 

Of all the playoff teams last year name a worse receiving core? Maybe Denver? 

 

My hope since the season ended and the combine hit was that we either drafted WR Mathew Golden at 30 and now most likely need to trade up and grab him. He would give us a true weapon but won't have to be "the guy" right off the bat while he slowly grows into the role, That is my ideal scenario.

Edited 15 hours ago by BuffaloBillsGospel2014

[BigDingus]

Our passing game wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either. 

 

I don't think people realize how having a run game (and having a player as good as Cook) is what allowed our passing offense to be as successful as it was, despite not having a ton of talent or players that can stretch the field. 

 

If we still had Singletary & Moss, last year's success wouldn't have been possible. The run game would look like crap, and Shakir/Hollins/Samuel/Coleman would have looked abysmal. At that point, it may have been the least impressive receiving corps Allen has had since his rookie year and actually looked like it on the field. 

 

But Allen is more experienced & a much better player, paired with a great OL & good run game, so the results were much better. 

 

We can continue to have success this way, despite no star WRs, as long as we have a good RB to lean on...whether that's Cook or someone else.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Cooper is on his arc decline while Palmer is on the decent.. I see Palmer as an upgrade.. CS healthy WR group is solid.

 

Is Palmer decent or on the descent?  Or ascendant?  

 

And how does he ascend facing, for the first time in his career, the defense's likely best CB?  

[skibum]

Don't forget about Ty Johnson, James Cook, Dalton Kincaid, and Dawson Knox. Having a good stable of talented receiving RBs and TEs helps reduce the need for a marquis receiver corps.

Edited 13 hours ago by skibum

[The Cincinnati Kid]

[Figster]

20 minutes ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:

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[QLBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Is Palmer decent or on the descent?  Or ascendant?  

 

And how does he ascend facing, for the first time in his career, the defense's likely best CB?  

Yikes not even drinking!! Ascending, on the climb, things are looking up, pointing northbound!! My bad 😆 

[SirAndrew]

4 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's not a fascination. You look at all the recent Super Bowl winners. They all had a true number 1 pass catcher. Either a TE or WR. 

 

I on the fence that they can repeat the offense from last year. A lot of things went their way last season. They played a lot of non playoff teams, had insane turnover differential, which isn't something that many teams repeat. 

Exactly what I was thinking. I’m not convinced last year’s offense is a sustainable style. I don’t want to complain about something that worked, but I don’t know if we can repeat that.
 

I also believe we’re actually less equipped at receiver than last season. We’re back to the spot before we acquired Cooper. He didn’t have big stats, but the presence of an actual receiver on the outside helped open up the offense. We don’t currently have a

single outside receiver any defense will fear. 

[Shortchaz]

If you want to play wide receiver in buffalo you have to be willing to block and play special teams. 

[SirAndrew]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Is Palmer decent or on the descent?  Or ascendant?  

 

And how does he ascend facing, for the first time in his career, the defense's likely best CB?  

The idea of a guy who scored three touchdowns in the last two seasons facing a number one CB is less than encouraging news. 

[BillMafia716ix]

Calling a spade a spade, our WR core is crap. Outside of Shakir. It’s a lot of question marks. We were able to run the football last season and Josh didn’t turn the ball over so we got by without having to do much in the passing game. Is it sustainable? I have my doubts. It’s a year to year league and teams adjust. 
 

Keon Coleman and Kincaid really have to step up this year. Kincaid really had a down year and I think the loss of Diggs hurt him.