Bengals extend Chase (4 yrs $161mill) AND Higgins (4 yrs $115mill)

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Yes! Yes he does. He sucked in college until he got to LSU and got Jefferson and Chase. He lost the job at OSU to Dwayne Haskins. The general take is that this was a massive mistake by Urban Mayer. But maybe Joe Burrow has to have an all-pro team to be effective? 

honestly, it seems like you are right. No one top QB has the skill talent around him. At a certain point, you start to wonder what burrow looks like if he doesn’t have basically 4-5 excellent targets, which he always seems to have.

[SoonerBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

So just both WR at the LOS and blitz their crap OL.  Allen and co can put up 30 on their D.  

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

That isn't what Barkley was paid this year when they won the SB.  The Eagles are losing pieces this year as part of signing Barkley...and will Barkley hold up again is always a question given he has struggled with that in the past.  

 

And this list is NOT why they won the SB...they won the SB because they had the #1 defense and arguably the best OL in football.  And that has more to do with them drafting well then "paying" offensive skill players.  The offense didn't even have to do a lot, and Barkley did nothing in the Super Bowl.  

 

Dominating the trenches is what won them the SB and its not really debatable.  

 

As does every team that usually wins or goes to the SB, can't sign everyone but GM Howie Roseman continues to show hes an excellent talent evaluator so I'm sure he'll fill those positions in adequately.

 

True but they had Hurts/Brown/Smith /Barkley under contract while having the best DL/OL in football is what I'm getting at. So my point is you can still build a SB winning team if you draft correctly as the Eagles just showed it was possible.

 

Nobody was debating the trenches won the game for the Eagles, we all saw it.

[Gregg]

Ravens will have a better record than them and so will the Steelers if they find a QB.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

honestly, it seems like you are right. No one top QB has the skill talent around him. At a certain point, you start to wonder what burrow looks like if he doesn’t have basically 4-5 excellent targets, which he always seems to have.

 

I think he could still do well even with mediocre WRs if he had a better OL. I'd be interested in seeing what he could do behind a line like ours.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

They need to nail this draft or the house of cards is going to go tumbling down.  

 

The fact that they waited to get this done until AFTER free agency is the most telling piece to me.  Higgins tag was 26M cap hit and Chases 5th year option was 21.8M.  0 sense of urgency to spend to the cap, or to get these deals done.  You do it before free agency starts and you show the league you're serious about paying your players, and you can add void years to maximize cap space.  You do it after when you want good PR after literally signing like no one.

Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

As does every team that usually wins or goes to the SB, can't sign everyone but GM Howie Roseman continues to show hes an excellent talent evaluator so I'm sure he'll fill those positions in adequately.

 

True but they had Hurts/Brown/Smith /Barkley under contract while having the best DL/OL in football is what I'm getting at. So my point is you can still build a SB winning team if you draft correctly as the Eagles just showed it was possible.

 

Nobody was debating the trenches won the game for the Eagles, we all saw it.

 

I think yes - but having a pair of great WRs sure makes it easier to throw up 1x1's when the chiefs blitz.  

[wppete]

10 hours ago, Rigotz said:

40/yr for Chase
29/yr for Higgins

50/yr for Burrow

 

A master class in paying WR instead of your premiere trench players. Ya love to see it.

Insane! I guess there cant be any money left for Hendrickson. 

[SoTier]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Bengals will score 30 a game and also give up 30 a game.

 

And Burrow will get the crap beat out of him again because their OL can't protect him ... a combination of not having a great OL and not having a good enough running game to keep defenses from teeing off on the QB. 

 

The plan to have a great passer and two great wide outs isn't one that works well unless a team has a great QB still on a rookie contract.

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, wppete said:

Insane! I guess there cant be any money left for Hendrickson. 

 

Was just coming back in to post this. No way Mike Brown is spending any more cash. Hendrickson good as gone.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

This team building also kept them out of the playoffs the last two years and also have given up about 27 ppg.

When you have an elite QB with 2 top WR’s, being in the mix of playoff contention isn’t good enough.  You’re supposed to be top Super Bowl favorites.

 

They still can’t block for Burrow and they have gotten worse on defense….

 

they went to the SB with the 17th ranked Defense. 

 

But it's true their D has fallen off.  Maybe they need a new DC.   But paying these 3 guys is a no brainer.   No matter who they bring in on Defense, that team wins with Offense. 

[ProcessTruster]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Bengals will score 30 a game and also give up 30 a game.

yep, they are toast now.   

 

I prefer the way Beane plays this stuff.  

[wppete]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Was just coming back in to post this. No way Mike Brown is spending any more cash. Hendrickson good as gone.

Do we even make a run at him after signing Bosa and Hoect? 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

But paying these 3 guys is a no brainer.   No matter who they bring in on Defense, that team wins with Offense. 

 

Until Burrow gets hurt because they can only afford to put 4 guys from Xavier in front of him.

You build teams from the inside out, not from the outside in, imo.

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, wppete said:

Do we even make a run at him after signing Bosa and Hoect? 

 

I would hope so as they are all different.

 

Bosa is mostly a has-been signed on a prove-it deal at the end of his career.

Hoecht is young, but a rotational guy at best.

 

Hendrickson is young and playmaker/gamechanger.

 

I think the real question is do we go after Hendrickson after paying Groot. But I'm not against throwing a lot of money in to the DE position.

Edited 9 hours ago by DrDawkinstein

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Until Burrow gets hurt because they can only afford to put 4 guys from Xavier in front of him.

You build teams from the inside out, not from the outside in, imo.

 

Well if any elite starter goes down, no amount of linemen on either side of the ball are going to win games for a team.

 

I don't disagree that you need better guys in the trenches.  But the Bengals are not the Eagles, where they have essentially abandoned the passing game because of one RB.  

[wppete]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I would hope so as they are all different.

 

Bosa is mostly a has-been signed on a prove-it deal at the end of his career.

Hoecht is young, but a rotational guy at best.

 

Hendrickson is young and playmaker/gamechanger.

 

I think the real question is do we go after Hendrickson after paying Groot. But I'm not against throwing a lot of money in to the DE position.

I think Hedrickson is older then Bosa. Not much older though. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

I think Hedrickson is older then Bosa. Not much older though. 

 

Holy smokes youre right. Crazy. I didnt realize Hendrickson is 30 and been around that long.

 

That changes things a little for me...

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I would hope so as they are all different.

 

Bosa is mostly a has-been signed on a prove-it deal at the end of his career.

Hoecht is young, but a rotational guy at best.

 

Hendrickson is young and playmaker/gamechanger.

 

I think the real question is do we go after Hendrickson after paying Groot. But I'm not against throwing a lot of money in to the DE position.

 

Bosa will only turn 30 this July. I wouldn't say he is a has-been. If he can stay healthy (BIG IF) then he will be a factor on the Bills defense.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

Bosa will only turn 30 this July. I wouldn't say he is a has-been. If he can stay healthy (BIG IF) then he will be a factor on the Bills defense.

 

30 is usually ok for DEs, but yeah, its his injury history that ages him even faster. Fingers crossed.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, mikemac2001 said:

No it didn’t this was before they paid anyone 

 

they also didn’t resign a lot of key defensive players that left after the Super Bowl and that’s when they started to have meh seasons 

 

who were the best guys they lost after the SB year?