Bengals extend Chase (4 yrs $161mill) AND Higgins (4 yrs $115mill)

[BuffaloMatt]

16 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Bengals will score 30 a game and also give up 30 a game.

I thought that was our game plan 

[FireChans]

37 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Hendrickson is an easy answer here. 

 

Insert name here defensive player that we don't know about because they didn't sign them

 

Kind of a weird question I could name every free agent they didn't sign. 

 

The real question is how many free agents could they have signed if they didn't do one of those deals 

 

Like I said, I don't see half the cap going to three guys, with 2 at the same position being good team management 

 

We will see, but this philosophy doesn't seem wise and the few teams that have tried it (Miami) it hasn't resulted in much

If only the signed some impact players like Josh Palmer, Michael Knoect and Larry Ojunobi instead.

 

Would you trade those dudes for Tee Higgins? Maybe if the Bengals threw in a couple picks too?

[TBBills Fan]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If only the signed some impact players like Josh Palmer, Michael Knoect and Larry Ojunobi instead.

 

Would you trade those dudes for Tee Higgins? Maybe if the Bengals threw in a couple picks too?

One is not like the other. It's not just Tee. 

 

Appreciate the effort tho

[DrDawkinstein]

30 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If only the signed some impact players like Josh Palmer, Michael Knoect and Larry Ojunobi instead.

 

Would you trade those dudes for Tee Higgins? Maybe if the Bengals threw in a couple picks too?

 

You could probably replace those names with all our own players we extended.

 

I know that doesnt follow the exact path of your conversation, but it is relevant to the overall discussion of the Bengals FO/Mike Brown and how they build a team (od dont).

 

To rewind the tape all the way back to the beginning, I think if the Bengals were an organization that, like the Bills, extends players early it changes everything.

 

Assuming they did it the "right" way, they would already have Chase and Hendrickson re-signed. By having them re-signed early, they would have 1. likely saved some money, and 2. at least give the illusion of being proactive and having a plan. So that when they don't re-sign Higgins, instead of looking inept and like they are always playing catch up from a position of weakness, they could say "we have a lot of guys to pay, we paid all the guys in our plan, can't pay everyone".

 

Then, with the money they're saving with early extensions and the money they are saving by being able to choose to not pay Higgins, they could take that and sign other FAs.

 

It's just another perspective on why teams like the Bills and Eagles are doing it right, and teams like the Cowboys and Bengals are doing it wrong.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

You could probably replace those names with all our own players we extended

How many of their pending FAs were worth massive money that they can’t retain now?

 

Furthermore, Rousseau has a 2025 cap hit of 5.8M, Bernard 2.5M, and Shakir 2.5M. It’s not like we needed $30M of space to retain those guys.

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

It's just another perspective on why teams like the Bills and Eagles are doing it right, and teams like the Cowboys and Bengals are doing it wrong

I mean, maybe? Is there a possibility we look back at the Rousseau and Bernard extensions and call them mistakes? I think so. 
 

I lean towards extending early ALWAYS makes sense when the player is going to demand top of the market money. The Bills haven’t really had that outside of Josh and Diggs and they are batting .500 on those decisions from a team-building perspective.

[Jerome007]

The Chiefs, Bills and Ravens sure proved you can win without elite WRs. The Bengals go the opposite route. I think it will fail badly, but it is interesting nonetheless. 

I don't mind teams having unique angles... but I sure prefer what the Bills are doing ha ha.

BTW that's why I have been excited from the signings. The Bills have a real good OLine, and now the DLine could be a strength too. I much prefer that to what the Bengals - and Dolphins - are doing.

[TBBills Fan]

18 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You could probably replace those names with all our own players we extended.

 

I know that doesnt follow the exact path of your conversation, but it is relevant to the overall discussion of the Bengals FO/Mike Brown and how they build a team (od dont).

 

To rewind the tape all the way back to the beginning, I think if the Bengals were an organization that, like the Bills, extends players early it changes everything.

 

Assuming they did it the "right" way, they would already have Chase and Hendrickson re-signed. By having them re-signed early, they would have 1. likely saved some money, and 2. at least give the illusion of being proactive and having a plan. So that when they don't re-sign Higgins, instead of looking inept and like they are always playing catch up from a position of weakness, they could say "we have a lot of guys to pay, we paid all the guys in our plan, can't pay everyone".

 

Then, with the money they're saving with early extensions and the money they are saving by being able to choose to not pay Higgins, they could take that and sign other FAs.

 

It's just another perspective on why teams like the Bills and Eagles are doing it right, and teams like the Cowboys and Bengals are doing it wrong.

That don't fit the narrative that the bills FO sucks he's trying to sell

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, TBBills Fan said:

Straw man, hard to say who they didn't sign because they re-signed these guys. I don't work for the Bengals.  

 

Would you like me to list every FA?

 

yeah go ahead--first list all the stars they lost on D after 2022 and then list all of the game changers they could have had this offseason.

 

1 hour ago, Process said:

Did you not watch the playoffs the year they made the Superbowl? The Defense carried them there. 

 

Mediocre Defense stepped up.  It can happen again.

 

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

yeah go ahead--first list all the stars they lost on D after 2022 and then list all of the game changers they could have had this offseason.

 

 

Mediocre Defense stepped up.  It can happen again.

 

Well if that's the case I should list everyone available from 2022 and beyond?

 

You can look up all the free agents, from 2022

 

Hey you could be right. The Bengals are known to be on the cutting edge in the NFL. I personally don't think it's the way to go Lol

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Mediocre Defense stepped up.  It can happen again.

 

They were so stupid to get rid of Lou Anarumo.   

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said:

Well if that's the case I should list everyone available from 2022 and beyond?

 

You can look up all the free agents, from 2022

 

Hey you could be right. The Bengals are known to be on the cutting edge in the NFL. I personally don't think it's the way to go Lol

 

They showed they can get to the SB with a lights out and mediocre D.  

 

Just tell us who they could/should have gotten instead of signing both Chase and Higgins.  Not "all the free agents" (not what we are talking about here)--pick a game changer.  You seem to have someone in mind, why not tell us.

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

They were so stupid to get rid of Lou Anarumo.   

 

he ran that D into the ground.  McD would have dumped him just the same--in a heartbeat.

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

That don't fit the narrative that the bills FO sucks he's trying to sell

Hard to believe we have a better QB, a better coaching staff, a better owner and a better FO than the Bengals and they’ve beaten KC in the playoffs and went a Super Bowl before us. 
 

I know it sucks having players that deserve 30 or 40M AAV deals. I’d much rather have 20 AJ Epenesas. 

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

he ran that D into the ground.  McD would have dumped him just the same--in a heartbeat.

It was like asking Dale Earnhardt to win a race in a Prius.  How do you think the Bengals made the Super Bowl in the 2021 season?

[gordong]

17 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Feels like this team has to be extremely top heavy. Like how do you pay that many skill players on Offense top money and not have massive holes all over the team.

simple you dont...  it the same issue the dolphins have (but now even worse)

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It was like asking Dale Earnhardt to win a race in a Prius.  How do you think the Bengals made the Super Bowl in the 2021 season?

Patrick Mahomes inexplicably forgot how to play football for a half 

[YoloinOhio]

People always react to the bengals paying their players like it’s a baby driving a car. 

If they had paid them when they the were supposed to they could have also added a decent o lineman 

Edited 15 hours ago by YoloinOhio

[Doc Brown]

32 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Patrick Mahomes inexplicably forgot how to play football for a half 

He didn't forget.  Anarumo had a great second half game plan.  He only rushing three defenders from extremely light personnel with single high behind it allowing them to bracket Kelce and Hill.  The confusion rattled Mahomes enough where he started to press and make decisions he usually didn't make.  For some reason Reid didn't counter this by just running the ball.

[DrBob806]

18 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

The Bengals had Chase and Higgins last year. How many playoff games did they win? 

One less than the Bills?

[UKBillFan]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

The Chiefs, Bills and Ravens sure proved you can win without elite WRs. The Bengals go the opposite route. I think it will fail badly, but it is interesting nonetheless. 

I don't mind teams having unique angles... but I sure prefer what the Bills are doing ha ha.

BTW that's why I have been excited from the signings. The Bills have a real good OLine, and now the DLine could be a strength too. I much prefer that to what the Bengals - and Dolphins - are doing.

To be honest, I’d be really satisfied with the Bills FA moves of it weren’t for the six game bans. That’s a stupid thing to have to manage, especially when Beane knew about one and agreed to the other contract after finding out.

 

And it would be nice to give Josh a class WR. Someone who will stand up and be counted when required. The Be gals have given Burrow that and then some, as long as he has time to throw the ball to them.

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Until Burrow gets hurt because they can only afford to put 4 guys from Xavier in front of him.

You build teams from the inside out, not from the outside in, imo.

 

I don't disagree but the question is does paying Chase and Higgins stop them from adding OL talent? Starting caliber OTs don't just hit the FA market. So if the question was pay Higgins or pay a similarly talented LT, the LT makes more sense. But the question is pay Higgins or save the money for some hypothetical OT in the future... I think you have to just pay the talented player that is right there in front of you. To improve their OL they need to draft better.