Scouting the DTs in the 2025 Draft

[OldTimer1960]

  On 3/18/2025 at 2:46 PM, TheBeaneBandit said:

So the ultimate vibe I'm getting here is there's 3 positions: DT(1 tech type), DE, and CB. The Bills will probably be patient and take the BPA between DE and CB at 30. This is fine and all but here is where they are gonna screw up as usual: in a draft were quality is going to be more important than quantity they will need to trade up with both 2nd rounders to get the position they missed in the first round and the missing 1 tech DT that is desperately needed. They won't cause it's the Bills and they will miss being able to grab one of those positions completely because those guys are going to sell like hotcakes this draft. Will the Bills prove me wrong? Unlikely.

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Here is what their “draft capital” will buy in terms of trading up from both 2nds:  Both 4th rounders plus pick 56 would move them up 11-12 spots to pick 44 or 45.  All 3 5ths plus pick 62 would move them up to about 7 or 8 spots to 54 or 55.  That would leave them with no picks again until late round 6.  

[TheBeaneBandit]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:08 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

Here is what their “draft capital” will buy in terms of trading up from both 2nds:  Both 4th rounders plus pick 56 would move them up 11-12 spots to pick 44 or 45.  All 3 5ths plus pick 62 would move them up to about 7 or 8 spots to 54 or 55.  That would leave them with no picks again until late round 6.  

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I'm willing to use mid round picks in 26 as well lol

[Mat68]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:00 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

Where did the idea that Tyleik Williams is a pass rush threat come from? I’ve only watched a few of his games all the way through and my untrained eyes see a strong run defending 1T, but not much of a pass rusher.

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Draft Network

Williams tends to rush the passer with a high pad level. I would like to see him stay in the drive phase to make contact for better leveraging to deploy his powerful counterpart maneuvers like push/pull, bull rush, and push/long arm over combo. Williams is still raw and developing his pass-rush plan. The lack of experience as a starter can be attributed to this. Adding more of a designed plan will increase his pass-rush productivity this season and heading into the NFL

Bleacher Report

Solid at collapsing the pocket with a bull rush with his leg drive and strength.

— Has flashed a few pass-rush moves that he can win with, such as rip, swim, hand-swipe, and stick moves.

33rd team

Ohio State Buckeyes defensive tackle Tyleik Williams is a player who, in the right environment, could see everything snap into place and become a draft steal. He’s obviously a gifted defender who showcases an understanding of the value of his hands and has an athletic foundation that offers him hope to find a consistent impact on passing downs.
 

Guys that have pass rush potential go higher than guys who are perceived to be lacking that element.  Ability to rush or potential to rush determines where they are drafted.  

 

[The Jokeman]

  On 3/18/2025 at 2:07 PM, Mat68 said:

With Williams offering some pass rush ability I think he goes higher than his projection.  The perceived 2 down player will go lower.  I think Grant like Sweat will go later than expected.  Im fairly confident he will be available at 30 or close enough if they want to make a slight move up.   Im not sure that is something they will do.  I think an elite 1 T elevates the dline.  A 2 down run stuffer will be available on day 3 with the class being so deep.   A wr with #1 potential, a edge pass rusher and a starting cb are all priority over 1T.  I wouldn't reach for any position over it.  If they have players rated similar to say Grant at those positions those will be the pick.  

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Oh I've been a Williams supporter since he came out. I've been calling for us to draft him since he declared. 

[OldTimer1960]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:16 PM, TheBeaneBandit said:

I'm willing to use mid round picks in 26 as well lol

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That is viable, but recognize that a 2026 2nd will be valued as a late 3rd by the trade partner.  Unless there is a stone-cold lock guy sitting there I would be extremely cautious of trading future picks as they go at a full round discount.

[nosejob]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:16 PM, TheBeaneBandit said:

I'm willing to use mid round picks in 26 as well lol

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Yep and later picks this year, but not so much to move up in the 2nd , but to create at least 1 3rd. Preferably two.

[mannc]

  On 3/18/2025 at 3:08 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

Here is what their “draft capital” will buy in terms of trading up from both 2nds:  Both 4th rounders plus pick 56 would move them up 11-12 spots to pick 44 or 45.  All 3 5ths plus pick 62 would move them up to about 7 or 8 spots to 54 or 55.  That would leave them with no picks again until late round 6.  

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Yeah, the notion that the Bills have tons of draft capital to move up with is silly.  Those late round picks don’t buy you much, but they can be used to draft useful players…

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[OldTimer1960]

  On 3/18/2025 at 6:18 PM, nosejob said:

Yep and later picks this year, but not so much to move up in the 2nd , but to create at least 1 3rd. Preferably two.

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I don't see how they have enough draft capital to move up for two 3rds.  Their later 4th and ALL 3 5ths would get them to about pick 98 - a compensatory pick after the 3rd round (that ends at pick 96).  After that move, they would still then have only pick 108 (early portion of the 4th) and pick 206 (late 6th).

 

Here is a link to a draft pick trade value chart.  It is approximate of course as teams are free to make whatever deals they want, but it gives a pretty good idea of what the value of the Bills' picks are.  Go to HTTPS://www.draftek.com and at the top there is a tab that takes you to the draft pick value chart.  There are, of course, other similar charts that can be found - all fairly similar (at least that I've seen).

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[OldTimer1960]

  On 3/18/2025 at 6:21 PM, mannc said:

Yeah, the notion that the Bills have tons of draft capital to move up with is silly.  Those late round picks don’t buy you much, but the can be used to draft useful players…

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Spot on, but these flames are fanned every year on local sport talk radio proclaiming that the "Bills have a lot of draft capital to move all around the board".  They actually don't have very much as, other than the fairly early pick in the 4th they got in trade last year all of their picks sit at the back end of each round and they are completely missing a 3rd round pick.  

For example, according to the Draftek draft trade chart all of the Bills' picks combined are not worth as much as the Jets' 1st round pick.

[nosejob]

  On 3/18/2025 at 6:25 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

I don't see how they have enough draft capital to move up for two 3rds.  Their later 4th and ALL 3 5ths would get them to about pick 98 - a compensatory pick after the 3rd round (that ends at pick 96).  After that move, they would still then have only pick 108 (early portion of the 4th) and pick 206 (late 6th).

 

Here is a link to a draft pick trade value chart.  It is approximate of course as teams are free to make whatever deals they want, but it gives a pretty good idea of what the value of the Bills' picks are.  

 

2025 NFL Trade Value Chart

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Yeah,I get it, but maybe we trade down 2 spots and pick up an end of 3rd. Trade 26  2nd and 6th (or something), pick up another. Whatever it takes. Two picks in the 3rd could end up being immediate impacts and allow us to make the most of the other selections.

[LyndonvilleBill]

  On 3/18/2025 at 9:00 PM, nosejob said:

Yeah,I get it, but maybe we trade down 2 spots and pick up an end of 3rd. Trade 26  2nd and 6th (or something), pick up another. Whatever it takes. Two picks in the 3rd could end up being immediate impacts and allow us to make the most of the other selections.

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I don't mind a trade down if , IF, there is not a player worth the pick we have, but I don't like trading future picks unless it's for a proven player. Just my opinion. 

[OldTimer1960]

  On 3/18/2025 at 9:00 PM, nosejob said:

Yeah,I get it, but maybe we trade down 2 spots and pick up an end of 3rd. Trade 26  2nd and 6th (or something), pick up another. Whatever it takes. Two picks in the 3rd could end up being immediate impacts and allow us to make the most of the other selections.

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Trading down 2 spots is only worth about a mid-5th.

[3rdand12]

  On 3/18/2025 at 1:31 AM, SoonerBillsFan said:

We need to push the pocket up the middle. That is how you Beat great QB's esp. Mahomes.

 

I really want a big 1 tech that can help plug against the run, but also really push that pocket. 

 

I really hope they pull the trigger at 30.

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or earlier , depending

[gonzo1105]

I’d say it’s more likely that the Bills stay put at 30, then move up from 56 with the capital they have in the midrounds. 

[3rdand12]

  On 3/18/2025 at 2:45 AM, Richard Noggin said:

 

I just did lol. Little trade back from 56 to add another top 100 pick (got Burke and Sawyer for my trouble) while still nabbing the 2nd monster inside. 

 

 

Sorry for tossing a mock draft in here like a stink bomb.

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That would be fun !

 And applicable to the thread Richard for sure  Well done

[3rdand12]

  On 3/18/2025 at 12:23 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Ah so we now need to adjust our draft strategy yet further away from weapons for Josh to shore up the botched defensive FA acquisitions? 

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Yes. 

 Goes back to the discussion as to why we lost in the playoffs.

Give Josh one or two more possesions and get one or two more stops to gain those said possesions and we would be fine with the everyone eats mantra.

 Hopefull Coleman and Kincaid gather themselves after injuries, Palmer can be an asset in the WR role Bills might have been missing ?

 

But , a resounding YES   Defensive front. Stop doing this half heartedly McBeanes

  On 3/18/2025 at 2:43 PM, Solomon Grundy said:

LOVE THIS!! With the exception of Tai Felton. I need that big bodied deep threat for Josh and the offense. I need Don'te Thornton 

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nit picker  lol

[nosejob]

  On 3/18/2025 at 9:33 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

Trading down 2 spots is only worth about a mid-5th.

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Didn't it get us Carter last year at 99?

  On 3/18/2025 at 9:15 PM, LyndonvilleBill said:

I don't mind a trade down if , IF, there is not a player worth the pick we have, but I don't like trading future picks unless it's for a proven player. Just my opinion. 

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I just think with our needs, we need to make the most of this draft. Dline and 2ndary... and doing nothing for 2 rounds is dereliction.

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/18/2025 at 10:04 PM, nosejob said:

Didn't it get us Carter last year at 99?

 

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No the trade down with KC got us Carter. I think that was 4 spots? Then we went down 1 with Carolina. 

[Warriorspikes51]

  On 3/18/2025 at 9:45 PM, gonzo1105 said:

I’d say it’s more likely that the Bills stay put at 30, then move up from 56 with the capital they have in the midrounds. 

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Grant AND Collins. GET THEM

 

Defense transformed. 
 

Eagles have Carter and Davis which is a huge reason why their DL destroyed KC

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[gonzo1105]

  On 3/18/2025 at 11:04 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

Grant AND Collins. GET THEM

 

Defense transformed. 
 

Eagles have Carter and Davis which is a huge reason why their DL destroyed KC

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Their not going to take two 1Techs back to back. They will take a DT and then they will trade up for a CB or vice versa.