ProcessTruster Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Pretty sure McD can coach up a couple higher draft pick corners to take over for Benford. Heck he made Benford what he is. And Tre. And a couple others. It's what he does. He is the CB1 whisperer. Corner is the most "coach-up-able" position group the Bills have. 1 Quote
SoCal Deek Posted March 16 Posted March 16 13 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Pretty sure McD can coach up a couple higher draft pick corners to take over for Benford. Heck he made Benford what he is. And Tre. And a couple others. It's what he does. He is the CB1 whisperer. Corner is the most "coach-up-able" position group the Bills have. And Elam….don’t forget Elam. 2 2 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: Pretty sure McD can coach up a couple higher draft pick corners to take over for Benford. Heck he made Benford what he is. And Tre. And a couple others. It's what he does. He is the CB1 whisperer. Corner is the most "coach-up-able" position group the Bills have. where are they all now? if this was true, the Bills wouldn't be scrambling to find a decent starting CB now. he drafted Elam and couldn't even get him into games. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted March 16 Posted March 16 46 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: where are they all now? if this was true, the Bills wouldn't be scrambling to find a decent starting CB now. he drafted Elam and couldn't even get him into games. What do you mean? Levi bounced around the league as a role player after being an UDFA. Tre lost his career with injuries and age. Dane got a decent contract in FA last year. Is the argument McD can’t coach up CB’s because his last 6 of them aren’t perennial All Pros scattered all over the league? Quote
FireChans Posted March 16 Posted March 16 18 hours ago, VW82 said: I don't understand your point here. I'm suggesting Benford isn't the man press corner you think he is. You're saying because he's good at zone match concepts or whatever that means he's also good at man press? What do you mean when you say the cushion makes it harder to record? Benford is much better with a cushion imo than he is on the LOS. I'm surprised that you would disagree with that. I'd also argue part of the reason we play off the line so much more regardless of man or zone is because none of our corners are great at man press. Taron was better in prior years. It's possible I misremebered the Puka game. I thought Puka got him on more than that - he got everyone that day. Taron Johnson was targeted like Elam vs the Lions and Rams. He got cooked 1 1 Quote
wppete Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Benford coming off injuries and back to back Concussions at the end of the season. I bet the Bills are being cautious or using that for leverage in negotiations. 1 Quote
ProcessTruster Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: And Elam….don’t forget Elam. true, but what about Johnson (4th) Benford (5th), Wallace (UDFA) , Jackson (7th) , ... for f's sake McD even turned two UDFAs from f ing UB into capable players (whom other teams want, if they can get them) I'm with you, the Elam story is a mystery, but McD can take just about anybody draft-able (or not) and turn them into a capable player (or more in the case of Johnson and Benford). Edited March 16 by ProcessTruster Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 7 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: Pretty sure McD can coach up a couple higher draft pick corners to take over for Benford. Heck he made Benford what he is. And Tre. And a couple others. It's what he does. He is the CB1 whisperer. Corner is the most "coach-up-able" position group the Bills have. For any McDermott faults, the man is dang good at coaching up DB's. Benford might not want to overplay his hand esp, coming off concussions. Edited March 16 by SoonerBillsFan 1 Quote
ProcessTruster Posted March 16 Posted March 16 On 3/14/2025 at 7:11 PM, NoSaint said: He’s a good player but not a generational guy - so both sides have some leverage here and hopefully each side will behave reasonably regardless of whether the dollars line up how long will a guy that’s not seen a pay day take fines and/or risk poor film when he returns? he and Cook are in the same boat. It's a choice (1) go the Saquon route and be a cancer or (2) take the more than reasonable deal Beane will certainly put in front of both 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: true, but what about Johnson (4th) Benford (5th), Wallace (UDFA) , Jackson (7th) , ... for f's sake McD even turned two UDFAs from f ing UB into capable players (whom other teams want, if they can get them) I'm with you, the Elam story is a mystery, but McD can take just about anybody draft-able (or not) and turn them into a capable player (or more in the case of Johnson and Benford). Which is Good , I agree. But we need another beast across from Benford and develop Danes or Ingrams upgrade asap Edited March 16 by 3rdand12 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 17 Posted March 17 22 hours ago, FireChans said: What do you mean? Levi bounced around the league as a role player after being an UDFA. Tre lost his career with injuries and age. Dane got a decent contract in FA last year. Is the argument McD can’t coach up CB’s because his last 6 of them aren’t perennial All Pros scattered all over the league? they aren't on the roster. Levi was less than mediocre. Elam was a complete whiff. Jackson is a backup. White was a 1st rounder that didn't need "coaching up". Quote
Brand J Posted March 17 Posted March 17 A) Would Christian Benford fetch a 1st round draft pick? B) If a team offered a first rounder, would you want the Bills to take it? Quote
FireChans Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: they aren't on the roster. Levi was less than mediocre. Elam was a complete whiff. Jackson is a backup. White was a 1st rounder that didn't need "coaching up". They were on the roster? The Bills aren’t going to keep every JAG at CB for a decade plus lol. Dane is back again already. What is your take? Levi wasn’t on the roster in 2017, that was EJ Gaines who was also fine with McD. Then we had two years of Levi, then we drafted Dane. Dane leaves in FA and White’s career ends, Elam busts and Benford hits. We have had a steady pipeline of guys who end up CB2 when healthy and aren’t complete disasters. For the last 8 seasons. I have no reason to consider that will end in year 9. Edited March 17 by FireChans Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Just now, FireChans said: They were on the roster? And Dane is again already. What is your take? Levi wasn’t on the roster in 2017, that was EJ Gaines who was also fine with McD. Then we had two years of Levi, then we drafted Dane. Dane leaves in FA and White’s career ends, Elam busts and Benford hits. We have had a steady pipeline of guys who end up CB2 when healthy and aren’t complete disasters. For the last 8 seasons. I have no reason to consider that will end in year 9. rostering a series of backups who "aren't complete disasters" isn't "coaching up the CB position"... 1 Quote
SectionC3 Posted March 17 Posted March 17 12 minutes ago, Brand J said: A) Would Christian Benford fetch a 1st round draft pick? B) If a team offered a first rounder, would you want the Bills to take it? I was just thinking the same thing. I’d rather have him here, but if negotiations are rocky it’s not the worst idea. Quote
FireChans Posted March 17 Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: rostering a series of backups who "aren't complete disasters" isn't "coaching up the CB position"... What’s your definition of coaching up the CB position? I would argue taking a bunch of late rounders or UDFA’s with limited physical gifts that have very little chance to make a roster, let alone start and play, and getting them to play at a level much higher than their pedigree (which ends up being some of the best ball of their career), is the definition of coaching up the CB position. when Belichick got some 7th round defensive player to play well, then they left the team and predictably completely sucked and was cut, didn’t we say the difference was the coaching? Quote
Mr. WEO Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 hours ago, FireChans said: What’s your definition of coaching up the CB position? I would argue taking a bunch of late rounders or UDFA’s with limited physical gifts that have very little chance to make a roster, let alone start and play, and getting them to play at a level much higher than their pedigree (which ends up being some of the best ball of their career), is the definition of coaching up the CB position. when Belichick got some 7th round defensive player to play well, then they left the team and predictably completely sucked and was cut, didn’t we say the difference was the coaching? Not sure---you brought it up. But starting mediocre guys you signed because you didn't sign better ones isn't "coaching up", i bet. The difference with Belichick was 6 rings with a constant roster churn. And when he was done with them, he didn't bring them back at another time. That's coaching.... 1 Quote
FireChans Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) On 3/16/2025 at 8:36 AM, ProcessTruster said: Pretty sure McD can coach up a couple higher draft pick corners to take over for Benford. Heck he made Benford what he is. And Tre. And a couple others. It's what he does. He is the CB1 whisperer. Corner is the most "coach-up-able" position group the Bills have. On 3/16/2025 at 10:34 AM, Mr. WEO said: where are they all now? if this was true, the Bills wouldn't be scrambling to find a decent starting CB now. he drafted Elam and couldn't even get him into games. 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Not sure---you brought it up. But starting mediocre guys you signed because you didn't sign better ones isn't "coaching up", i bet. The difference with Belichick was 6 rings with a constant roster churn. And when he was done with them, he didn't bring them back at another time. That's coaching.... Classic WEO. argues about this regime being able to coach up CB’s then isn’t sure what coaching up even means. Also, yeah when did BB ever let a player walk in FA then bring them back when they failed elsewhere. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CollJa00.htm Oh yeah, he let Jamie Collins get overpaid in Cleveland, brought him back to start a whole season in NE, let him get overpaid in Detroit and brought him back for round 3 lol. Got some more for you @Mr. WEO Kyle Van Noy. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VanNKy00.htm career took off in NE, left in FA for Miami and was back one year later. No idea what coaching up means and BB never brought them back I guess. Edited March 17 by FireChans Quote
Shaw66 Posted March 17 Posted March 17 I just said this in the Stingley thread; probably should have been here. I know what I see and don't. I see him around the ball all the time. I see him break up passes. I see him be a solid, aggressive tackler in the run game. I don't see him getting beaten and I don't see him missing assignments or tackles. I think he's a cornerstone defensive back, the equivalent of Tre White. Solid, all-round football player and defensive back who secures one side of the field for his team. He may not be a truly elite cover guy, but he is elite in this defense. I think the Bills will be forced to match the market on him. Some team probably will overpay him, and that's what the Bills will need to match. I think he's a great piece of the backfield puzzle for the next five years. I think if the Bills can afford only to keep one and to lose one, they'll lose Cook and keep Benford. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Oops, got more for you @Mr. WEO ever heard of Patrick Chung? started in NE, left in FA for Philly and came back to play 6 more seasons in NE. 3 titles during his run. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ChunPa99.htm man BB just never brought them back when he was “done” with them Quote
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