Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I wonder how many of the people clutching their pearls and complaining about this are in the same group of people the yell and scream about not wanting a team of "choir boys" and that a locker room with the high character it's said we have can absorb a few guys with some character issues. 

 

I'm willing to bet the overlap is fairly high 

Some interesting things: Beane mentioned how much they wanted Michael Hoecht. The fact they knew and still wanted him, makes me think they have special plans for him.  I see him as a guy who "floats."  He can rush the passer; he can play the 2nd LB when we play someone like Baltimore to help with Henry. He can also line up on a TE. This kid can be something, I think.

 

The other thing is that we are in 2025, and some people think that pro athletes don't use anabolics. Not all do, but I would bet 90% or more do, at least in the offseason.  I can tell you things like SARMS are on the list and its idiotic, but the NFL has to keep up some stupid perception they are policing Drugs of all forms.  But hey, if they beat their girlfriend they would only get 2 games or none at all.

[BuffaloBillyG]

40 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Some interesting things: Beane mentioned how much they wanted Michael Hoecht. The fact they knew and still wanted him, makes me think they have special plans for him.  I see him as a guy who "floats."  He can rush the passer; he can play the 2nd LB when we play someone like Baltimore to help with Henry. He can also line up on a TE. This kid can be something, I think.

 

The other thing is that we are in 2025, and some people think that pro athletes don't use anabolics. Not all do, but I would bet 90% or more do, at least in the offseason.  I can tell you things like SARMS are on the list and its idiotic, but the NFL has to keep up some stupid perception they are policing Drugs of all forms.  But hey, if they beat their girlfriend they would only get 2 games or none at all.

Agree 100%

 

I think they see Hoecht as a more athletic Zo Alexander. We really haven't had someone like that since he retired. 

 

And agree. Humans don't typically get this big and fast just from lifting weights and exercising. It's simple fact. And it's a farce that the NFL polices this so heavily while rewarding them with huge paydays at the same time. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

On 3/15/2025 at 9:54 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Schooled? More like caught by surprise. I don't recall anyone else bringing up potential PED issues. 

And therein, lies the issue, you and others neglect. 
 

e.g. The HR Department of a Bank does a prudent, due diligence search of Social Media to uncover whether the nice young woman /( man ) before them seeking a position, is not posing in a string bikini, drunk and coked out on Girls Night Out!

 

The Buffalo Bills are a multi BILLION dollar biz! The GM has a very serious job. It involves principally- personnel decisions. You would think by NOW, that this fool, in addition to doing any health related enquiries, poses the following type of question to prospective FAs/ Draft Choices…

 

” Is there anything that will be a surprise to us, in the next interim period, about yourself? Let us know now.”

Edited yesterday at 03:50 PM by Billsatlastin2018

[PromoTheRobot]

14 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

And therein, lies the issue, you and others neglect. 
 

e.g. The HR Department of a Bank does a prudent, due diligence search of Social Media to uncover whether the nice young woman /( man ) before them seeking a position, is not posing in a string bikini, drunk and coked out on Girls Night Out!

 

The Buffalo Bills are a multi BILLION dollar biz! The GM has a very serious job. It involves principally- personnel decisions. You would think by NOW, that this fool, in addition to doing any health related enquiries, poses the following type of question to prospective FAs/ Draft Choices…

 

” Is there anything that will be a surprise to us, in the next interim period, about yourself? Let us know now.”

 

You are conflating someone posting something compromising on social media with a player using a PED in training. He isn't going to post a photo on Facebook with a caption "Whoo hoo getting ripped!!!"   The fact you call Beane a "fool" tells me you have an agenda and are just grasping at things to bolster your nonsense.

Edited yesterday at 04:04 PM by PromoTheRobot

[SunDSolar]

22 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

So his coaches are asking him to not get sacks. Run support, TFL's and pressures are more important. You do realize a qb like Mahomes can still complete a td pass under pressure. In the history of the NFL, I've yet to see a qb complete a td pass while sacked.  Rousseau does not have the pass rush tool box to ever get to 10 sacks, let alone 12+.  I really hate this take.

 

 

 

Lol I see you've never played football. 

 

You do realize that defensive linemen have assignments on every play depending on down, distance, and tume remaining.  Its not just "Hey Greg get after the QB"

 

He's only 24 years old, who again to anyone that knows football has played at a very high level to this point.

 

But you just look at sack stats and write him off because he didn't have 10+ sacks this season. 

 

I'll bet you barring injury, Rousseau gets over 10+ sacks 3-4 times the remainder of his career. 

 

[Shortchaz]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

First off, BS. Second, even if it was steroids, who cares?  I am sick of the naive BS on this board. If posters don't think several, if not many, Bills take some anabolic or HgH in the offseason, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Third, the bolded part, Ogunjobi has NEVER failed a test before. All you need to do is do a little research.  "The 30-year-old has no history of testing positive and, last season, was the Pittsburgh Steelers nominee for Walter Payton Man of the Year".

 

You all need to relax

 

 

So you think that a player unknowingly took a banned substance once and got a six game ban? That really doesn’t pass the smell test. 
 

I don’t really care what players take, my argument is: what’s banned is not as confusing as caught players try to make it. They say these things publicly because it helps them save face. I get it, I just don’t buy it.
 

they used banned substances, they got caught. That’s it. I’m not judging them or even care. The nonsense “I had no idea” line is all I’m commenting on. 
 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

I always go back to the MLB Mitchell Report for insight.

 

One thing we learned then: GMs know (or as the lawyers say, "have reason to believe") when one of their players is benefiting from PEDs. Example: Paul LoDuca, Dodgers catcher. "Late bloomer" - never more than 8 HRs in many minor leagues seasons. Age 29: all of a sudden 25 big league HRs. Signs to a big contract a couple years later. Dodgers GM Paul DePodesta learns that he's off the juice as the steroid scandal gets hot. Dumps him in a trade to the Marlins. 

 

Nobody was fooled. Everyone knew what was going on. Players were signed because teams knew (had "reason to believe") they were juicing and would be good additions. Today I have to assume GMs damn well know what's going on too, and they also know that there's no reason to believe that a guy who was caught juicing in February won't still be benefiting from the PEDs in December. Beane surely wasn't snookered by Hoecht, who signed after the Bills knew he'd be suspended. It's almost like a selling point: I just finished a cycle, I'm gonna kick ass this season.

 

How idiotic is it that we give guys 6 game suspensions for PED cycles that may confer benefits for an entire season or more?

 

Show me the incentives, and I will show you the behavior.

Edited yesterday at 04:47 PM by The Frankish Reich

[jkeerie]

22 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

So you think that a player unknowingly took a banned substance once and got a six game ban? That really doesn’t pass the smell test. 
 

I don’t really care what players take, my argument is: what’s banned is not as confusing as caught players try to make it. They say these things publicly because it helps them save face. I get it, I just don’t buy it.
 

they used banned substances, they got caught. That’s it. I’m not judging them or even care. The nonsense “I had no idea” line is all I’m commenting on. 
 

 

That's the rule.  For an anabolic substance it's 6 games for the first offense.  For a stimulant, diuretic or masking agent, it's two games.

[The Frankish Reich]

47 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

The nonsense “I had no idea” line is all I’m commenting on

Hoecht, an Ivy League grad who tutored kids in calculus, says he just trusted the guy (unnamed) who provided him with various supplements.

[ngbills]

This news on suspensions combined with Allen contract details are making this offseason fall flat. Wasting money on guys that will be out nearly half the season and only picking up a few million on Allen’s deal. What is going on? What was the point in the Allen restructuring? To save cash by not doing the deal in a few years when it would be even more is what it seems not to help the cap. 

Edited yesterday at 05:11 PM by ngbills

[Shortchaz]

39 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

That's the rule.  For an anabolic substance it's 6 games for the first offense.  For a stimulant, diuretic or masking agent, it's two games.

Sounds like a serious sentence, not something the nfl would hand out to someone who “accidentally took something”. 

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

First off, BS. Second, even if it was steroids, who cares?  I am sick of the naive BS on this board. If posters don't think several, if not many, Bills take some anabolic or HgH in the offseason, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Third, the bolded part, Ogunjobi has NEVER failed a test before. All you need to do is do a little research.  "The 30-year-old has no history of testing positive and, last season, was the Pittsburgh Steelers nominee for Walter Payton Man of the Year".

 

You all need to relax

 

 

HGH, EPO, among so many other PEDS, are SOP, it is humorous that some folk think the league is clean, when it so obviously isn’t, and you are correct, who cares? The league office knows full well that PED use is common place, and has been for many decades, why the charade? 

[The Frankish Reich]

58 minutes ago, ngbills said:

This news on suspensions combined with Allen contract details are making this offseason fall flat. Wasting money on guys that will be out nearly half the season and only picking up a few million on Allen’s deal. What is going on? What was the point in the Allen restructuring? To save cash by not doing the deal in a few years when it would be even more is what it seems not to help the cap. 

The Allen thing is more about locking up Allen for as many years as possible, which strikes me as a damn good strategy

[BuffaloBillyG]

38 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

HGH, EPO, among so many other PEDS, are SOP, it is humorous that some folk think the league is clean, when it so obviously isn’t, and you are correct, who cares? The league office knows full well that PED use is common place, and has been for many decades, why the charade? 

They charade is for the reason that most things come down to. Money. 

 

NFL has to present that they are strict on PEDs usage so years after a player retires and has physical issues from the years of usage, they can't sue the NFL as being negligent. 

 

It all comes down to removal of liability.

[jkeerie]

55 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

Sounds like a serious sentence, not something the nfl would hand out to someone who “accidentally took something”. 

It doesn't matter.  The rule is blanket.  If it's found in the players system, it's a 6 game suspension.  They don't get into how it got there.  Period.

[BarleyNY]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

They charade is for the reason that most things come down to. Money. 

 

NFL has to present that they are strict on PEDs usage so years after a player retires and has physical issues from the years of usage, they can't sue the NFL as being negligent. 

 

It all comes down to removal of liability.

This and PR. Gotta make it look like the league is clean for the fans. 

[njbuff]

The Bills are fine on the edge going into the season without Hoecht, but still could draft a guy early at edge if someone they like falls.

 

The Ogunjobi suspension could hurt as the Bills have a washed up Jones, Oliver and Carter as the only true DT’s. Jones shouldn’t be playing another down for the Bills, but if they don’t pick up two legitimate DT’s, he may be forced to play and that’s NOT GOOD.

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, njbuff said:

The Bills are fine on the edge going into the season without Hoecht, but still could draft a guy early at edge if someone they like falls.

 

The Ogunjobi suspension could hurt as the Bills have a washed up Jones, Oliver and Carter as the only true DT’s. Jones shouldn’t be playing another down for the Bills, but if they don’t pick up two legitimate DT’s, he may be forced to play and that’s NOT GOOD.

There will be additions at DT. If all else fails don't be shocked to see Jordan Phillips come back to help out early in the season. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

24 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

They charade is for the reason that most things come down to. Money. 

 

NFL has to present that they are strict on PEDs usage so years after a player retires and has physical issues from the years of usage, they can't sue the NFL as being negligent. 

 

It all comes down to removal of liability.

That is why assumption of risk should be in every NFL Contact for PED use,Concussions etc.

[UKBillFan]

Were the Bills in a position where they had to sign Hoecht and Ogunjobi? They picked up the former even though they knew about the six game ban, and then went ahead and agreed a deal with Ogunjobi even when finding out the news. Are there so few options available? Was Beane so tied in with the wage structure he didn't want to move elsewhere?

 

Talk about putting the defense on the backfoot before the draft.