Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I heard today Ogunjobi didn't even know until after he agreed to terms. 

A player didnt know he took illegal steroids?

Color me unconvinced.

[Doc Brown]

53 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Couldn’t they get out of Ogunjobi’s contract with the vague “behavior detrimental to the team” clause?

They had him sign the contract knowing he was suspended the first six games.  LOL.  

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The first 6 games matter if Cincinnati and KC are on the menu

Can we just request the first six games to be all divisional games?

[Charles Romes]

I can’t believe the league gives teams roster exemptions for suspended players. Doesn’t make sense, except from the perspective of injury prevention. It’s always hardest to get down to 53 week 1. These suspensions actually create a silver lining.  

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

I can’t believe the league gives teams roster exemptions for suspended players. Doesn’t make sense, except from the perspective of injury prevention. It’s always hardest to get down to 53 week 1. These suspensions actually create a silver lining.  

I think the goal is to penalize the player, not the team. 

[Old Coot]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think the goal is to penalize the player, not the team. 

I agree but I can't wrap my head around the timing?   Why doesn't the NFL release PED results well before FA?  That way you really discourage players from taking them in the first place. And every grown man is responsible for knowing what's going into his body.  If the team has this info and chooses to sign the player (Hoecht) then that's the risk they (Beane) take.  But at least they have that choice.  Beane was blindsided by Ogunjobi and was kinda stuck sticking with him.  

Edited yesterday at 05:56 AM by LABILLBACKER

[26TrapDraw]

Do we get a partial refund from the players for their F ups? Such bullcrap

[SoonerBillsFan]

I believe both players.  There are things in supplements that are, stupidly, banned in sports.

 

Yes they should have been more diligent in checking what they were taking, but sometimes they have people for that or they get lax in checking.

 

Both maned up and admitted they failed the tests.  The timing and procedures of the NFL sucks, and that is what hit us.   

 

Bottom line, it is what it is, we just deal with it. We get roster exemptions amd cap relief for 6 games.  Play the two guys we drafted last year, and use rookies until they return. And as others have rightfully said, we get these 2 guys for mid to end of season and playoffs fresh.

[Scott7975]

Isn't this one of those things that they can appeal and get it cut in half to 3 games, or does that only happen for other teams?

Edited yesterday at 09:33 AM by Scott7975

[Shortchaz]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I believe both players.  There are things in supplements that are, stupidly, banned in sports.

 

Yes they should have been more diligent in checking what they were taking, but sometimes they have people for that or they get lax in checking.

 

I’ve heard this line before. I could be naive but I’m having a hard time believing it’s this nebulous. It sounds more like a plausible deniability angle a junky might take. It’s more likely that the testing found the presence of a masking agent rather than an actual substance and rather than get into a drawn out process both sides just say minimal things. Not to mention a 6 game ban means this is not the first or second time for either of these players. 

Edited yesterday at 09:49 AM by Shortchaz

[albanyfan]

On 3/14/2025 at 4:29 PM, cba fan said:

that's interesting. Beane should have received a salary discount for this. But although disappointing to say the least.    They can be fresh for the last 11 games and excepted playoff push when they will be most needed.

I’m thinking they don’t get paid for those six games….so that’s a 35% discount.

[chongli]

10 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

I can’t believe the league gives teams roster exemptions for suspended players. Doesn’t make sense, except from the perspective of injury prevention. It’s always hardest to get down to 53 week 1. These suspensions actually create a silver lining.  

 

Of course there should be exemptions. The Ogunjobi suspension we didn't know about prior to signing. And there would be a competitive disadvantage for something not the team's fault.

[BuffaloBillyG]

12 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Of course there should be exemptions. The Ogunjobi suspension we didn't know about prior to signing. And there would be a competitive disadvantage for something not the team's fault.

Except according to them, they did know before the contract was signed. That was something that held it up because it was just before the deal was signed. They looked back at the market and being a day or two had passed and the player pool had been milked dry, chose to proceed. 

 

It is what it is. I was anxious to see these new guys as well. But the roster is still deep and we should be able to hide being short handed for a few games. Groot, Bosa, Oliver, AJE will likely absorb a few extra snaps a game while the younger players we have can get some valuable playtime. 

[Don Otreply]

On 3/14/2025 at 6:00 PM, Buddy Hix said:

Why would you sign two guys based on their performances while juiced up? What a disaster Beane is…

 

The guys off the sauce will probably suck, lol.

No worries, they will keep using, micro dosing is the way to go…, 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

We're they popping pills together?

[ClosetFan]

Who is this mysterious trainer that Ogunjobi used? Is the NFL interested in finding out what other players used him?

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Shortchaz said:

I’ve heard this line before. I could be naive but I’m having a hard time believing it’s this nebulous. It sounds more like a plausible deniability angle a junky might take. It’s more likely that the testing found the presence of a masking agent rather than an actual substance and rather than get into a drawn out process both sides just say minimal things. Not to mention a 6 game ban means this is not the first or second time for either of these players. 

First off, BS. Second, even if it was steroids, who cares?  I am sick of the naive BS on this board. If posters don't think several, if not many, Bills take some anabolic or HgH in the offseason, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Third, the bolded part, Ogunjobi has NEVER failed a test before. All you need to do is do a little research.  "The 30-year-old has no history of testing positive and, last season, was the Pittsburgh Steelers nominee for Walter Payton Man of the Year".

 

You all need to relax

 

 

[jkeerie]

6 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I believe both players.  There are things in supplements that are, stupidly, banned in sports.

 

Yes they should have been more diligent in checking what they were taking, but sometimes they have people for that or they get lax in checking.

 

Both maned up and admitted they failed the tests.  The timing and procedures of the NFL sucks, and that is what hit us.   

 

Bottom line, it is what it is, we just deal with it. We get roster exemptions amd cap relief for 6 games.  Play the two guys we drafted last year, and use rookies until they return. And as others have rightfully said, we get these 2 guys for mid to end of season and playoffs fresh.

I also think these two are embarrassed and will want to prove something to their teammates...that they are solid, stand up players...and will ball out.

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

First off, BS. Second, even if it was steroids, who cares?  I am sick of the naive BS on this board. If posters don't think several, if not many, Bills take some anabolic or HgH in the offseason, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Third, the bolded part, Ogunjobi has NEVER failed a test before. All you need to do is do a little research.  "The 30-year-old has no history of testing positive and, last season, was the Pittsburgh Steelers nominee for Walter Payton Man of the Year".

 

You all need to relax

 

 

I wonder how many of the people clutching their pearls and complaining about this are in the same group of people the yell and scream about not wanting a team of "choir boys" and that a locker room with the high character it's said we have can absorb a few guys with some character issues. 

 

I'm willing to bet the overlap is fairly high 

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think the goal is to penalize the player, not the team. 

 

even a team that knowingly signs a suspended player?