Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[oldmanfan]

I wouldn’t mind Calais Campbell

[SoonerBillsFan]

28 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I would ask the league to void Ogunjobi's contract.    It should have been very well known that this was coming.   

The problem is,there is no one to replace him.

9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I wouldn’t mind Calais Campbell

Agreed.

[Turbo44]

15 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I wouldn’t mind Calais Campbell

Just saw this after I started a Calais thread. Maybe I didn’t need to start it in its own thread but I think it’s kind of a no-brainer. He also wished Miami goodbye so he’s playing elsewhere.

 

great minds think alike / lol

[Matt_In_NH]

4 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Our goal should be 1 seed, not just make the playoffs.   Accepting just a playoff appearance is a setback.   Last year was supposed to be our reset year with all the departures and carrying Diggs dead cap money.  Now once again we're carrying dead weight.  

I don’t disagree about the goal.   Not sure what else to say.  It’s a crap sandwich. Beane made his decision with Hecht knowing what he was getting into.  Ogunjobi was a surprise.  Both these guys are rotational and should not have much impact on wins and losses weeks one to 6.  

[Casey D]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

They can appeal how many weeks they are suspended 

Yeah sure.  But what is the argument?  I mean they did it.  And saying it was an accident likely does not change anything.

[DaVinci]

Feel bad for Josh Allen. Well see after the draft

[Big Blitz]

Why was Jameson Williams only suspended 2 games for PEDs?  

Only 6 players got PED suspensions in 2024 - notably Williams.  Autry for the Texans and Gipson FS for the 49ers also got 6 games.  

 

We got 2 of them in 2025 in a matter of a week?

 

Are you kidding me?  
 

 

We have some experience recently.  Andre Smith a few years ago.  Trent Murphy getting suspended didn’t discourage us from signing him a few years after his.  

 

Lane Johnson was suspended 10 games for PEDs back in 2016.  

[colin]

bad result, not a good look.

 

as far as the cheating element of PEDs, i'm of the opinion that the NFL drug tests are really just IQ tests.  they catch the unclever people who can't beat them.  I'm also of the opinion that the majority of NFL players use PEDs, at least some of the time.  i'm fine w these guys using them, but not fine with them getting busted.  they need better people around them.

[turbo044]

We have 3 picks in the first 62, which is great for a team of our standing. We need 2 or 3 starters from this or at least rotational starters

[biggerdaddynj]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Ok I’m going to walk back my angst on this after watching the presser. First, Beane basically said they have been after Hoecht for awhile, watching him as an RFA last year. So it sounded like they didn’t really care about the PED deal becuase they wanted him that bad. Essentially he knew, but didn’t care.
 

On Larry, the idea that he told Beane as soon as he found out shows some level of honesty and character for a guy who has never been involved in anything bad before. He didn’t have to say anything and he did knowing Beane could walk away. Beane and Larry O would have had no idea this was coming. Beane said in hindsight he probably would not have made the move to have two suspended guys, but by the time they found out, free agency at the position had dried up. Sounds like they could have walked away from the deal but if they did there weren’t any alternatives. 
 

So as a resident Beane hater, I’ll admit I don’t knock him for how he handled this situation. 

Thanks, you perfectly summed up how I feel after taking a deep breath (and my “medicine” 😉).  And, as of Friday when they found out, Beane is right there was very little on the DL market to pivot to (check the transaction trackers).
 

Here’s a link to Beane’s presser for those who might not have seen it yet (at 9 minutes in he addresses the double whammy):  

 

Edited 5 hours ago by biggerdaddynj

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, SunDSolar said:

 

I really hate this take and the flack that Greg gets on this site.

 

If he was allowed to just pin his ears back and go after the QB every down he'd have his 12+ sacks a year. 

 

That's not what he is asked to do in this defense, he sets the edge, engages and disrupts plays in both oppositions run and pass game.  Getting double digit TFLs every year is way way overlooked and dismissed here 

 

Also it's like people don't watch the games.  Our coach's philosophy is to keep people fresh so there are a lot of times throughout the year in 3rd and long situations and Greg isn't even on the field.  I don't agree with it as Greg should be out there on those plays 99% of time but again this is another reason why this guy ended up with 8 sacks and not double digits

So his coaches are asking him to not get sacks. Run support, TFL's and pressures are more important. You do realize a qb like Mahomes can still complete a td pass under pressure. In the history of the NFL, I've yet to see a qb complete a td pass while sacked.  Rousseau does not have the pass rush tool box to ever get to 10 sacks, let alone 12+.  I really hate this take.

 

On to the topic at hand and as @YoloinOhio implied, maybe if we do go hard on DL with the first several picks this will be a blessing in disquise. Hopefully an appeal lowers the games.

Edited 5 hours ago by LABILLBACKER

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Ok I’m going to walk back my angst on this after watching the presser. First, Beane basically said they have been after Hoecht for awhile, watching him as an RFA last year. So it sounded like they didn’t really care about the PED deal becuase they wanted him that bad. Essentially he knew, but didn’t care.
 

On Larry, the idea that he told Beane as soon as he found out shows some level of honesty and character for a guy who has never been involved in anything bad before. He didn’t have to say anything and he did knowing Beane could walk away. Beane and Larry O would have had no idea this was coming. Beane said in hindsight he probably would not have made the move to have two suspended guys, but by the time they found out, free agency at the position had dried up. Sounds like they could have walked away from the deal but if they did there weren’t any alternatives. 
 

So as a resident Beane hater, I’ll admit I don’t knock him for how he handled this situation. 

 

I feel pretty much the same after sitting on it for a day. The reason there's so much fan outrage around it is because the two suspensions hitting at once is magnitudes worse than just one. But in reality Hoecht is the only part of the story that Beane can be criticized for. I do think we overpaid him especially given the known suspension but it's not some crazy overpay amount that capsized our ability to make moves in FA.

 

With Ogunjobi I blame the NFL for not getting these results out a few days earlier. I mean really, players sign on Wednesday and you're sending results out on Thursday or Friday? That's amateur stuff. That's not on Beane at all. And I accept his explanation that by the time they found out about the suspension the DT market had dried up so their best bet was to accept the cap savings and continue with the signing. Although FWIW I was not a fan of that signing to begin with, felt like an overpay for a 30+ year old DL coming off a down year.

 

As to how this affects our season - I don't think it does. Bring in Quinton Jefferson and Jordan Phillips to hold down the fort in those 6 games. Is that really so bad? If we're losing several games in the early part of the season we have much bigger problems than our rotational DL players.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by HappyDays

[LABILLBACKER]

The league I think should have a responsibility to release all PED suspensions before early negotiations begin. I agree Hoecht's contract should've been lower to reflect this suspension.  Yesterday was unfortunate and given a day to reflect and listening to this presser, my anger at Beane has diminished substantially.  Maybe this event forces us to be aggressive at DL in this DL heavy draft. 

[MrEpsYtown]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I feel pretty much the same after sitting on it for a day. The reason there's so much fan outrage around it is because the two suspensions hitting at once is magnitudes worse than just one. But in reality Hoecht is the only part of the story that Beane can be criticized for. I do think we overpaid him especially given the known suspension but it's not some crazy overpay amount that capsized our ability to make moves in FA.

 

With Ogunjobi I blame the NFL for not getting these results out a few days earlier. I mean really, players sign on Wednesday and you're sending results out on Thursday or Friday? That's amateur stuff. That's not on Beane at all. And I accept his explanation that by the time they found out about the suspension the DT market had dried up so their best bet was to accept the cap savings and continue with the signing. Although FWIW I was not a fan of that signing to begin with, felt like an overpay for a 30+ year old DL coming off a down year.

 

As to how this affects our season - I don't think it does. Bring in Quinton Jefferson and Jordan Phillips to hold down the fort in those 6 games. Is that really so bad? If we're losing several games in the early part of the season we have much bigger problems than our rotational DL players.

 

It also gives a ln opportunity to message board hero Dewayne Carter to prove his worth! Also, having fresh reinforcements come in after week 6 is probably not the worst thing ever. Again it’s not ideal, but it’s way better than the corner situation we find ourselves in. 

[uticaclub]

23 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I feel pretty much the same after sitting on it for a day. The reason there's so much fan outrage around it is because the two suspensions hitting at once is magnitudes worse than just one. But in reality Hoecht is the only part of the story that Beane can be criticized for. I do think we overpaid him especially given the known suspension but it's not some crazy overpay amount that capsized our ability to make moves in FA.

 

With Ogunjobi I blame the NFL for not getting these results out a few days earlier. I mean really, players sign on Wednesday and you're sending results out on Thursday or Friday? That's amateur stuff. That's not on Beane at all. And I accept his explanation that by the time they found out about the suspension the DT market had dried up so their best bet was to accept the cap savings and continue with the signing. Although FWIW I was not a fan of that signing to begin with, felt like an overpay for a 30+ year old DL coming off a down year.

 

As to how this affects our season - I don't think it does. Bring in Quinton Jefferson and Jordan Phillips to hold down the fort in those 6 games. Is that really so bad? If we're losing several games in the early part of the season we have much bigger problems than our rotational DL players.

 

Ya, kinda. They both were cut mid season last year and didnt do much of anything when we brought them back. I expect to be 4-2 after 6 games, win the division & miss out of the 1 seed

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Again it’s not ideal, but it’s way better than the corner situation we find ourselves in. 

 

For sure, CB2 and WR are still by far my biggest concerns, followed closely by safety. Beane has to find a couple quality starters at those positions in the draft. It can't be like last year where our rookies barely contributed since the roster as it stands right now doesn't have the talent to man all of those positions at an NFL level.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

For sure, CB2 and WR are still by far my biggest concerns, followed closely by safety. Beane has to find a couple quality starters at those positions in the draft. It can't be like last year where our rookies barely contributed since the roster as it stands right now doesn't have the talent to man all of those positions at an NFL level.

Outside a Samuel signing, which seems like it isn’t happening, or a trade for an established corner, we will need instant contributors out of the first couple of rounds for sure. 

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Ya, kinda. They both were cut mid season last year and didnt do much of anything when we brought them back. I expect to be 4-2 after 6 games, win the division & miss out of the 1 seed

 

Jordan Phillips made our best defensive play in the AFCCG! Crazy, but true. Not that I'm singing his praises, but as a 6 game stopgap whatever it's not a huge deal. They'll draft a couple DL too so there will be a chance for rookies to make an impact as rotational depth.

 

If we lose the 1 seed it won't be because two rotational DL missed 1/3 of the season. There are several much more fundamental issues with the roster that I'm very concerned about. Beane needs to step up his game in April and McDermott/Babich need to step up their game in September.

[sven233]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

For sure, CB2 and WR are still by far my biggest concerns, followed closely by safety. Beane has to find a couple quality starters at those positions in the draft. It can't be like last year where our rookies barely contributed since the roster as it stands right now doesn't have the talent to man all of those positions at an NFL level.

 

Absolutely concerns, but I would also add a 1 tech DT to that list as well.  We still don't have that young, monster space eater in the middle of the defense to help stop the run.  But you're right.....we still don't have that fast, explosive WR on the roster that will strike fear in defenses vertically and we have nobody of starting lever calibur at CB2 either.  Sure, we have plugged up some holes in FA, but there are still glaring holes on this team that need to be addressed by trade and in the draft. 

[Nitro]

I have no issue with signing these guys.  They are depth pieces and will augment the team upon their return.  The draft is the key to the success of the team.