Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[Ballsy]

Can anyone speak to the financials of this?  I assume that suspended players do not receive game checks.  Does that mean their salary for next season is 6/18 less?  Do this suspensions reduce the cap hit of these players at all?

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 minute ago, Ballsy said:

Can anyone speak to the financials of this?  I assume that suspended players do not receive game checks.  Does that mean their salary for next season is 6/18 less?  Do this suspensions reduce the cap hit of these players at all?

Great question.   👍 

2 minutes ago, Ballsy said:

Can anyone speak to the financials of this?  I assume that suspended players do not receive game checks.  Does that mean their salary for next season is 6/18 less?  Do this suspensions reduce the cap hit of these players at all?

Google told me no cap relief.  

[Herc11]

2 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

I understood the context perfectly fine.  You're trying to say they aren't going to necessarily have a performance dropoff from stopping PEDs.

 

Kind of defeats the purpose and risk of using them if there's no performance boost.  It's only logical that if you stop, you lose that.

 

Do you even understand steroids? Like actually understand them? Know the difference between Anavar, Tren, Test? There are so many different steroids out there that do different things. Not all steroids are the same. And not all PEDs are steroids. You aren't going to lose results by stopping something like Adderall. It may heighten awareness, get you wired, etc, but you're not going to have a fall off in performance like with steroids. And not all steroids have much of a drop off if done correctly.

 

My point is, they may not even of been taking steroids. 

[Lost]

Do these guys get to participate in training camp/pre-season?

[MikePJ76]

11 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

I don't get it, and you are WAY over blowing this.

 

If teammates have to hear/answer questions on it, it's because the Buffalo media has nothing better to talk about.  Also easy for any player to say, yeah he's messed up, he also owned up to it.  Or just say nothing.

 

Beane already said his peace today.  If people want to continue pushing it, so be it.  Again who cares?  It's somehow embarrassing to have to answer a question?

 

NFL isn't going to treat us any different either, I can't tell if you're somehow alluding to us getting more scrutinized drug testing.  There's a CBA in place for a reason.

 

And yeah, if you don't want to talk about these signings that make you feel embarrassed, that's up to you.

 

But again, feel embarrassed.  Tainting the franchise is a giant leap, from feeling embarrassed/opinions on these signings.  Sounds like a click bait article....

 

"Bills sign 2 players, draw embarrassment from across the NFL, taint franchise and cause concerns with how players will have to answer for these signings".  

 

Sounds like you took some drama classes back in the day/and some extremist journalism.

Yea.  You are all over the place.  Just making things up.  
 

think whatever you want.

[tigerthelion]

11 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

ITS NOT JOSH, my god people. These are rotational level players for f*** sake. 

 

 

If you are gonna burn up that much cap space,  might as well sign rotational guys that won't be out of action for at least a third of the year, no? 

[jkeerie]

8 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Great question.   👍 

Google told me no cap relief.  

It's posted in this thread.  Bills will save about $3M total per Cover 1 and Master Strategist's analysis.  Google is incorrect.

[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

Yea.  You are all over the place.  Just making things up.  
 

think whatever you want.

Making things up...im repeating and responding exactly what you wrote.

 

Again, "tainted".  Somehow you can't explain your viewpoint except to say players will have to answer for it.

 

You have no clue what you're talking about.  Now you're too deep into this, and just finding ways to end it.

[SinceThe70s]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Yes.

 

They agreed to terms, he found out he was suspended and signed him after lol

 

Thanks for clarifying, didn't know that. Thanks for the lol. Good times.

 

[Kelly to Allen]

I can't wait for opening day. 

 

I'm leaning towards  DL Darius Alexander as my rd 1 pick based on who I think will be available 

 

I hope we play Miami opening day 

Edited 10 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[davefan66]

3 minutes ago, Lost said:

Do these guys get to participate in training camp/pre-season?

Yes.

  

Can play preseason.  Pulled for the first game of the season until the last game of the suspension.

 

Question is. How much does the team want them involved in preseason??  I’d expect a lot based on both are new to the team.

[Special K]

12 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

It's posted in this thread.  Bills will save about $3M total per Cover 1 and Master Strategist's analysis.  Google is incorrect.

Signing suspended players to get salary cap relief on their contracts???

 

Beane is playing:

 

 

🤣🤣

[Kelly to Allen]

31 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

ITS NOT JOSH, my god people. These are rotational level players for f*** sake. 

 

 

 

It would be a big deal if Bosa or Rousseau got suspended. 

 

Not only that but now the contracts are 1/3 cheaper, not guaranteed and allow us to keep to extra dlineman when we need a big influx of draft capital on the dline.

 

The lashing out at Beane is weird energy 

Edited 10 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Herc11]

20 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

If you are gonna burn up that much cap space,  might as well sign rotational guys that won't be out of action for at least a third of the year, no? 

Obviously. However, this still isn't something to freak out about.

[MikePJ76]

23 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Making things up...im repeating and responding exactly what you wrote.

 

Again, "tainted".  Somehow you can't explain your viewpoint except to say players will have to answer for it.

 

You have no clue what you're talking about.  Now you're too deep into this, and just finding ways to end it.

You said I was mad about the Yankees, upset and had anxiety?  Whatever that means.  Completely false never said anything of the sort.

 

you said I said it was Devastating for the team, I never said anything of the sort.

 

i explained my position on why it’s bad and how the players will have to hear about it all summer.   Your response was that I took drama classes and was an extreme journalist.

 

you seem pretty unstable so I am done with this.  Go bother someone else.  
 

 

[uticaclub]

24 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

It would be a big deal if Bosa or Rousseau got suspended. 

 

Not only that but now the contracts are 1/3 cheaper, not guaranteed and allow us to keep to extra dlineman when we need a big influx of draft capital on the dline.

 

The lashing out at Beane is weird energy 

If Bosa misses fewer than six games, that would be fantastic.

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

If Bosa misses fewer than six games, that would be fantastic miraculous and PED suspension inducing.

 

[Alphadawg7]

 

So many drama queens in here talking like this is the end of the franchise.  

[That's No Moon]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So many drama queens in here talking like this is the end of the franchise.  

It's not that, but is facepalm worthy and it is embarrassing. End of the franchise? No. Unnecessarily stupid? Maybe.

[US Egg]

2 hours ago, buffblue said:

Take a deep breath man, at least as far as the Bills go. They will be fine.

 

I'm a die hard Yanks fan too, and that situation is waaaaaaay more dire. Their season is effectively over before it even began.

 

2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Nope.  They go with judge just as the bills go with Allen.  When judge goes out they struggle.  Losing Cole sucks though.
 

they are going to be ok.

 

2 hours ago, buffblue said:

I guess I'm confused what you're upset about then. You said you were unhappy about the Yanks before coming on this board. 

 

And Judge is great, but losing Soto and acquiring Bellinger and Goldschmidt is not equivalent. The difference this year COULD have been pitching, but they are screwed without Cole and Gil. Cashman all but admitted as much yesterday.

 

2 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Don't proeject your negative Yanks vibes, and let them manifest here.

 

Not embarrassing when Beane already knew about 1 and, just due to timing, found out about the other while the deal for Larry was about to be signed.

 

Tainted the franchise?  Wow, this is when people need to get a grip.

 

I'm not condoning PEDs/steroids etc, but players take "supplements".  Sometimes the difference between being "caught" with hormones, is like scoring an 89 vs a 90 on a test.  This isn't Barry Bonds juicing.  Not saying both players are shameless either, both owning up to it.  

 

Tainting a franchise is signing a known criminal- plenty of examples to be tossed around there, but this isn't that.

 

Gerrit Cole will be back next yr, until then keep the Yank anxiety on their message board.

As a courtesy, save your Yankee banter for the Yankee forum in OTW.

 

We need all the help we can get in there to liven it up. Thank you.