Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[nosejob]

So our offseason so far...2 guys that won't be available til week7 and an oft injured, likely washed Bosa. I've never been critical of BB, but this is pathetic.

 

BUT,BUT,BUT, they'll be fresh for a playoff push. Yeah ok, hopefully we're not 2-4 by that time.

 

And I'm not holding my breath come draft day. Last year there were several teams with more than 1 pick in rds. 2-4 and plenty of opportunities to get an extra 3rd rd. pick but BB sat on his hands and called it a big win getting Bishop. I'm not expecting any different this year.

 

I won't be surprised with WR or CB 1st then JAGS (with traits later). Maybe even take a couple of 5ths this year and turn them into 2026 picks.

 

It's looking like a repeat of last year. Draft a DT mid to late to develop, roll out DQ and JP. Roll out Hamlin and Lewis and hope Defenses don't adapt to anything we did on Offense last year.

Edited March 17 by nosejob

[Chandler#81]

So, with the exception of an aging Bosa replacing the aging Von Miller, we’ve done virtually nothing in FA to address our porous Defense, right? 
just tryin’ to see the trees through the forest..🤷‍♂️

[nosejob]

4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

So, with the exception of an aging Bosa replacing the aging Von Miller, we’ve done virtually nothing in FA to address our porous Defense, right? 
just tryin’ to see the trees through the forest..🤷‍♂️

That's right. They've done nothing that will be any different come week 1.  How long before Non Miller becomes Noey Bosa?

[Dillenger4]

I was happy with the Hoecht signing. O-gun I was meh. But now, with a 6-game suspension for both and BB knowing about both situations?!? It's comical. I understand the Hoecht signing even with the 6-game suspension as he is a 3 year deal, so big picture/long term strategy. OK, we eat the 6 games for him.

But O-gun??? BB was told after the fact about the suspension, given the opportunity to negate the signing. He still moved forward. Very interesting situation. I sure hope it works out!

I do expect Bosa to be an upgrade over Von. Groot has room for improvement but he is solid. So we need to "weather the storm" for six-7 weeks while these two signings get up to speed. (No pun).

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

So, with the exception of an aging Bosa replacing the aging Von Miller, we’ve done virtually nothing in FA to address our porous Defense, right? 
just tryin’ to see the trees through the forest..🤷‍♂️

We added a Safety and re-signed Bernard and Rousseau long term and replaced our primary backup outside CB with a player that started for us previously in that position.  Toss in we added a versatile player that is suspended for the first six games.  We also added a DT that has started in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the last 7 seasons and yes he is suspended the first six games as well. The suspensions hurt no doubt but at the same time the season is a marathon not a sprint. 

[Buddy Hix]

8 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

You would have done the same thing 

It may surprise you, but some people in this world still have principles. I am one of them…it seems Hoetch is too.

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, nosejob said:

So our offseason so far...2 guys that won't be available til week7 and an oft injured, likely washed Bosa. I've never been critical of BB, but this is pathetic.

 

BUT,BUT,BUT, they'll be fresh for a playoff push. Yeah ok, hopefully we're not 2-4 by that time.

 

And I'm not holding my breath come draft day. Last year there were several teams with more than 1 pick in rds. 2-4 and plenty of opportunities to get an extra 3rd rd. pick but BB sat on his hands and called it a big win getting Bishop. I'm not expecting any different this year.

 

I won't be surprised with WR or CB 1st then JAGS (with traits later). Maybe even take a couple of 5ths this year and turn them into 2026 picks.

 

It's looking like a repeat of last year. Draft a DT mid to late to develop, roll out DQ and JP. Roll out Hamlin and Lewis and hope Defenses don't adapt to anything we did on Offense last year.

I really don't think 2 mid level rotational DL would be the difference between going 2-4 and 5-1 or 6-0 over the first 6 weeks. 

 

If we are sitting at 2-4 after 6 weeks it will likely be because we have much bigger issues than 2 suspended DL IMO.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

39 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

It may surprise you, but some people in this world still have principles. I am one of them…it seems Hoetch is too.

 

If Hoecht or Ogunjobi had principles they wouldn't have been taking PED's in the first place. 

[ddaryl]

42 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

It may surprise you, but some people in this world still have principles. I am one of them…it seems Hoetch is too.

When its the difference between getting paid million$ a year, or being on the unemployment line with barely enough skills to make a livinig wage outside of football, the majority would roll the dice. Especially when every one around you is doing something similiar.... It really is up to the NFL to make punishment so severe it can completely derail your career and keep you out of the NFL. 

Basically the NFL needs a 1 year suspension for 1st violation and removal from the NFL on the 2nd violation. Then you will make some headway against PEDs. The loss of a career would resonate loudly but the NFL obviously chooses to look the other way.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Many on this thread should take a break.  You all have worked yourselves into some serious negativity and depression. 

 

FWIW, we won 13 games without the 2 guys suspended, and without Bosa ( who is an upgrade over Von.) 

 

Do as Frankie says and Relax.

[nosejob]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I really don't think 2 mid level rotational DL would be the difference between going 2-4 and 5-1 or 6-0 over the first 6 weeks. 

 

If we are sitting at 2-4 after 6 weeks it will likely be because we have much bigger issues than 2 suspended DL IMO.

Well it could be because DQ is getting manhandled 1 on 1, ED is getting stuffed because of it and whatever JAGS they throw back out there are a DEJAVU from last year. As of right now, I hope they decide to start playing rookies and go JAG free. ED/Carter/Grant and Collins. (Groot/Bosa/Solomon/AJE...Princely and Ivey.

Bosa will get hurt, so after week 6 that'll give us 11.

[BuffaloBillyG]

24 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Well it could be because DQ is getting manhandled 1 on 1, ED is getting stuffed because of it and whatever JAGS they throw back out there are a DEJAVU from last year. As of right now, I hope they decide to start playing rookies and go JAG free. ED/Carter/Grant and Collins. (Groot/Bosa/Solomon/AJE...Princely and Ivey.

Bosa will get hurt, so after week 6 that'll give us 11.

Wow. You're afraid of starting 2-4....don't even know who those 6 games are against. Does it just suck to live in a world of scenarios you make up in your head?

 

Also, Bosa will get hurt? By week 6? You from the future?

 

He may. His injury history recently suggests it is possible. But let's not put this is absolutes.

 

He has a LOT riding in this season to include if the Bills or some other team will view him as a too EDGE again. His payday next year is directly tied into his performance this year. Can't do that inactive. My gut tells me the dude is an absolute warrior this year and plays through everything he can. 

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

We added a Safety and re-signed Bernard and Rousseau long term and replaced our primary backup outside CB with a player that started for us previously in that position.  Toss in we added a versatile player that is suspended for the first six games.  We also added a DT that has started in Cleveland/Pittsburgh the last 7 seasons and yes he is suspended the first six games as well. The suspensions hurt no doubt but at the same time the season is a marathon not a sprint. 

Like I said ‘virtually nothing’..

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Wow. You're afraid of starting 2-4....don't even know who those 6 games are against. Does it just suck to live in a world of scenarios you make up in your head?

 

Also, Bosa will get hurt? By week 6? You from the future?

 

He may. His injury history recently suggests it is possible. But let's not put this is absolutes.

 

He has a LOT riding in this season to include if the Bills or some other team will view him as a too EDGE again. His payday next year is directly tied into his performance this year. Can't do that inactive. My gut tells me the dude is an absolute warrior this year and plays through everything he can. 

lol yeah 2-4 would suck. Ain't no no.1 seed coming after that and for the most part, you made my points...

[eball]

So first, a mea culpa -- I was on vacation last week when all of this went down and wasn't spending much time on the board.  I haven't -- and won't -- read through 36 pages of this thread, but here are my thoughts:

 

• I don't have a problem with the Hoecht signing at all, since Beane knew about the suspension and it's a 3-year deal; they obviously wanted the guy.
• The Ogunjobi situation bothers me.  Who is that guy's agent?  Did he know about the pending suspension when he started negotiating with teams?  If so, the agent should be blackballed and/or have his credentials revoked -- that's 100% unethical and bad faith.  Beane says he went through with the deal because the DT market had been picked through -- ok, I guess, but not a good look at all when the guy you signed to a 1-year deal will only play in 60-70% of your team's games.

 

[Warriorspikes51]

Why didn't we target TJ Slaton from the Packers instead of Ogunjobi ? 

Here's to hoping Beane lands Grant or Collins on draft day 

[TheFunPolice]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Why didn't we target TJ Slaton from the Packers instead of Ogunjobi ? 

Here's to hoping Beane lands Grant or Collins on draft day 

 

I thought the same thing, then realized... they do not like huge DTs 

[jkeerie]

Today on One Bills Live, Chris Brown and Steve Tasker said that the Bills don't get any cap relief from the suspensions.  The Bills will save the cash, but the full salaries do count against the cap.  ☹️

[Warriorspikes51]

54 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Today on One Bills Live, Chris Brown and Steve Tasker said that the Bills don't get any cap relief from the suspensions.  The Bills will save the cash, but the full salaries do count against the cap.  ☹️

 

I thought Spotrac showed cap savings? Or was it only cash 

Beane better have renegotiated Ogunjobi's deal.....  have the contract details come out yet?  Bring that 8 million down to 4.5 

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I thought the same thing, then realized... they do not like huge DTs 

 

Then they are completely insane.  If we don't get a massive 1T in this draft it's a sad mistake 

[BuffaloRebound]

Signing 2 guys who both have 6 game suspensions is bizarre to say the least, but it’s a long season and it might be nice to have 2 rested vet linemen for the back half of the season.