Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[Augie]

6 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

And therein, lies the issue, you and others neglect. 
 

e.g. The HR Department of a Bank does a prudent, due diligence search of Social Media to uncover whether the nice young woman /( man ) before them seeking a position, is not posing in a string bikini, drunk and coked out on Girls Night Out!

 

The Buffalo Bills are a multi BILLION dollar biz! The GM has a very serious job. It involves principally- personnel decisions. You would think by NOW, that this fool, in addition to doing any health related enquiries, poses the following type of question to prospective FAs/ Draft Choices…

 

” Is there anything that will be a surprise to us, in the next interim period, about yourself? Let us know now.”

 

As to the bold, that’s exactly what happened, right? When they learned they told Beane, and for the reasons he explained they decided to proceed regardless. I get it. Do you?

 

 

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Edited March 16 by Augie

[Krakensabres]

13 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Were the Bills in a position where they had to sign Hoecht and Ogunjobi? They picked up the former even though they knew about the six game ban, and then went ahead and agreed a deal with Ogunjobi even when finding out the news. Are there so few options available? Was Beane so tied in with the wage structure he didn't want to move elsewhere?

 

Talk about putting the defense on the backfoot before the draft.

On the back foot? They aren’t even doing for agency yet, and they also signed Joey Bosa who is the actual big fish on defense. Plus, they’re probably going to draft at least two or three defensive players in the first three picks they have. These guys are not gone for the season. They’re gone for the part of the season that matters the least… Everyone needs to take a freaking chill pill and stop exaggerating about the effect of two depth players.

[3rdand12]

30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

There will be additions at DT. If all else fails don't be shocked to see Jordan Phillips come back to help out early in the season. 

I would be shocked and appalled

Draft two fat kids , one early and a really fat kid who can just be The Immovable Object in the middle to develop

Phillips and Jones cant bring it every game, nor when really needed. Get the rookies up to speed by playoff time please

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I would be shocked and appalled

Draft two fat kids , one early and a really fat kid who can just be The Immovable Object in the middle to develop

Phillips and Jones cant bring it every game, nor when really needed. Get the rookies up to speed by playoff time please

Hey, that's my Frankish Rule of Fat Defensive Tackles: every one of them will have two good seasons in his career; you just never know which one and which seasons.

 

Larger picture: we sign 3 DL players. Two are being suspended for PEDs, one has always had PED rumors swirling around him.

It's almost as if Beane said "eff all the choirboys, go get me someone who will do anything to win"

[3rdand12]

7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Hey, that's my Frankish Rule of Fat Defensive Tackles: every one of them will have two good seasons in his career; you just never know which one and which seasons.

 

Larger picture: we sign 3 DL players. Two are being suspended for PEDs, one has always had PED rumors swirling around him.

It's almost as if Beane said "eff all the choirboys, go get me someone who will do anything to win"

Its a good rule !

This year especially ! I prefer to draft a few 1 techs ( roughly speaking) this season to play catch up.

Bills still need to shore up the interior in a serious manner !

Still want a pure pass rushing DE and CB from the draft. But fix that weakness at shutting down the A-B gap and our LBs etc will look much better when clean.

 Go Bills

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

I would be shocked and appalled

Draft two fat kids , one early and a really fat kid who can just be The Immovable Object in the middle to develop

Phillips and Jones cant bring it every game, nor when really needed. Get the rookies up to speed by playoff time please

You would be shocked if the Bills brought back a guy that they have let go and brought back at least 4 times? 

 

I get feeling like it's not doing enough and I didn't say that was the only move they would make. But bringing back a guy for the first few games like Phillips or Jefferson that already knows the system is something I would fully expect at this point in addition to a pick or two on the IDL.

[billsfan714]

One thing I have been wondering about after free agency was how many rosters spots would be available for rookies since this is a deep Dl class.   I think we kept 10 DL in the final cutdown last year.    Guys on week one roster as of now would be Bosa, Groot, AJE, Hoecht, Oliver, Jones, Carter, OgunJobi as the top 8 with 2 of them going on some suspended list at week one, but all should be there after the 6th game.   So some young guys are going to have to fill those spots from week 1-6.  One concern and maybe Im missing something is, if you are on the week one roster your salary is guaranteed for the year.   Anyways looks only like maybe room left for 2 more spots.  Could be more with the suspensions.   There are guys like Solomon in the mix.   I think everyone was hoping to get probably at least 2 DL in this draft.  

 

One thing I could see maybe mid season is a trade to another team for AJE or if no traders a cut for Daquan.   The suspension will create opportunities for young guys but a problem when the 2 return from suspension.  And when a decision comes in week 7, on which 2 go, Jones and AJE aren't signed for 26.

[BuffaloBillyG]

31 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

One thing I have been wondering about after free agency was how many rosters spots would be available for rookies since this is a deep Dl class.   I think we kept 10 DL in the final cutdown last year.    Guys on week one roster as of now would be Bosa, Groot, AJE, Hoecht, Oliver, Jones, Carter, OgunJobi as the top 8 with 2 of them going on some suspended list at week one, but all should be there after the 6th game.   So some young guys are going to have to fill those spots from week 1-6.  One concern and maybe Im missing something is, if you are on the week one roster your salary is guaranteed for the year.   Anyways looks only like maybe room left for 2 more spots.  Could be more with the suspensions.   There are guys like Solomon in the mix.   I think everyone was hoping to get probably at least 2 DL in this draft.  

 

One thing I could see maybe mid season is a trade to another team for AJE or if no traders a cut for Daquan.   The suspension will create opportunities for young guys but a problem when the 2 return from suspension.  And when a decision comes in week 7, on which 2 go, Jones and AJE aren't signed for 26.

Injuries also will play a factor. For instance, let's say someone like Oliver gets injured. You place him on IR and open a spot. Push the decision down the road. 

[DrBob806]

On 3/14/2025 at 4:25 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Lol, this is something I'd expect the NY Jets or Browns to do. 

 

Beane, on thin ice.

[Kelly to Allen]

51 minutes ago, billsfan714 said:

One thing I have been wondering about after free agency was how many rosters spots would be available for rookies since this is a deep Dl class.   I think we kept 10 DL in the final cutdown last year.    Guys on week one roster as of now would be Bosa, Groot, AJE, Hoecht, Oliver, Jones, Carter, OgunJobi as the top 8 with 2 of them going on some suspended list at week one, but all should be there after the 6th game.   So some young guys are going to have to fill those spots from week 1-6.  One concern and maybe Im missing something is, if you are on the week one roster your salary is guaranteed for the year.   Anyways looks only like maybe room left for 2 more spots.  Could be more with the suspensions.   There are guys like Solomon in the mix.   I think everyone was hoping to get probably at least 2 DL in this draft.  

 

One thing I could see maybe mid season is a trade to another team for AJE or if no traders a cut for Daquan.   The suspension will create opportunities for young guys but a problem when the 2 return from suspension.  And when a decision comes in week 7, on which 2 go, Jones and AJE aren't signed for 26.

 

 

I think as many as 11 defensive lineman will be on the opening 53 and this is not including the two free agent signings obviously. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 16 by Kelly to Allen

[jethro_tull]

Not the best situation but they are veterans and should be able to contribute once they are off suspension.  Having them finish strong for the long season will also be helpful.  Hoeucht has excellent talent and the PED suspension might have made it easier for the Bills to get him 

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

They charade is for the reason that most things come down to. Money. 

 

NFL has to present that they are strict on PEDs usage so years after a player retires and has physical issues from the years of usage, they can't sue the NFL as being negligent. 

 

It all comes down to removal of liability.

The league knows, but some fans can’t seem to wrap their heads around it, 

[MasterStrategist]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

I think as many as 11 defensive lineman will be on the opening 53 and this is not including the two free agent signings obviously. 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe 11.

 

If we keep 11 it's because we have an 11th player who we don't want to risk to waivers.

 

We were already primed to draft a rookie 1 tech DT and another DE.

 

DT: Ed, Jones, Rookie, Carter

 

DE: Groot, Bosa, AJE, Solomon, rookie

 

That's an almost certainty above, in no particular order. We will very likely keep a 5th DT rostered, as well.  Won't surprise me to see us sign another vet, DT/DE tweener...Smoot, Campbell type.

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Maybe 11.

 

If we keep 11 it's because we have an 11th player who we don't want to risk to waivers.

 

We were already primed to draft a rookie 1 tech DT and another DE.

 

DT: Ed, Jones, Rookie, Carter

 

DE: Groot, Bosa, AJE, Solomon, rookie

 

That's an almost certainty above, in no particular order. We will very likely keep a 5th DT rostered, as well.  Won't surprise me to see us sign another vet, DT/DE tweener...Smoot, Campbell type.

 

Is there any chance at Omenihu?

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Hey, that's my Frankish Rule of Fat Defensive Tackles: every one of them will have two good seasons in his career; you just never know which one and which seasons.

 

Larger picture: we sign 3 DL players. Two are being suspended for PEDs, one has always had PED rumors swirling around him.

It's almost as if Beane said "eff all the choirboys, go get me someone who will do anything to win"

I like that thinking but there are plenty of fatties without 2 good seasons lol

[The Frankish Reich]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I like that thinking but there are plenty of fatties without 2 good seasons lol

Well, true. But it doesn't sound as good to say "every fat DL who has one good season probably has one, and only one, other good season left in him."

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, true. But it doesn't sound as good to say "every fat DL who has one good season probably has one, and only one, other good season left in him."

Put some Twinkies and Texas BBQ on QBs and rbs jerseys and watch them destroy

Edited March 17 by Buffalo716

[major]

Train, say your prayers and eat your *vitamins

[Buddy Hix]

Watching the Ogunjobi presser and he’s obviously a liar. You can’t remember the exact timeline of when you got notified about popping and agreeing to a $10 million dollar deal? BS

 

Already can’t stand this guy.

[GolfandBills]

3 hours ago, Buddy Hix said:

Watching the Ogunjobi presser and he’s obviously a liar. You can’t remember the exact timeline of when you got notified about popping and agreeing to a $10 million dollar deal? BS

 

Already can’t stand this guy.

You would have done the same thing