Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[bearstobills]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I love how fans are activating their emergency "justification / rationalization mode".  

 

No big deal

Everybody does it

Happens all the time

Just 6 games

Keep em fresh for the playoffs 

It's not my money

I love how you are activating your "blaming/gloom-ridden/chastising mode"

 

Our GM is awful

We are an embarrassment

The season's over

We'll never get over the hump

Anyone who doesn't see how awful this is must be an idiot

If it weren't for Josh, we'd be a Pop Warner team

 

[PauleeeWalnuts]

Very “Billsy”

[JBI$111]

6 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

I appreciate your kindness and good attitude but once again, Beane has flubbed the dub in many other areas as well. To me my anger has been accumulating over time. It’s not just one said thing.

 

It’s trading Wyatt Teller for a 5th round pick. It’s signing Von Miller to a $100M contract, it’s taking Kaiir Elam in RD1.

 

We can go on and on and on.. 

Exactly, it's not like these are the only blunders Beane has made, it's a long list and this is so Billsy! WTF! Ridiculous!

1 hour ago, Lost said:

Do these guys get to participate in training camp/pre-season?

Yes they can be at training camp & the preseason, but they cannot be at the facility once the season starts for four of the six games that they're suspended.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

Heard on the radio: Ogunjobi said something to the effect that the league rules about what players can and can't take are complicated and it is easy to make a mistake.  Whether or not that is true, I don't know.

 

Excuses.

[bearstobills]

7 minutes ago, JBI$111 said:

Exactly, it's not like these are the only blunders Beane has made, it's a long list and this is so Billsy! WTF! Ridiculous!

Yes they can be at training camp & the preseason, but they cannot be at the facility once the season starts for four of the six games that they're suspended.

 

7 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

I appreciate your kindness and good attitude but once again, Beane has flubbed the dub in many other areas as well. To me my anger has been accumulating over time. It’s not just one said thing.

 

It’s trading Wyatt Teller for a 5th round pick. It’s signing Von Miller to a $100M contract, it’s taking Kaiir Elam in RD1.

 

We can go on and on and on.. 

Tell me about it.  These mistakes are egregious!! Now if we were the Chiefs, then we'd be something.  

Even though they drafted;

1. CEH AND Felix Anudike Uzomah in the first round.  

2. Skyy Moore, Breeland Sparks, and Kingsley Suamataia in the 2nd round

3. Traded a 3rd round pick for Kadarius Toney

4. Signed a replacement level right tackle (current off-sides artist Jawaan Taylor) to a 4 year 80 million dollar deal

 

Every GM has these!! Every. Single. One.  We went to the AFC championship game last year.  It was no accident.  They have good players.  He picked, signed, resigned, and traded for those good players.  Is he perfect?  Of course not.  But the Bills are drafting 30th.  So he's more perfect than the other 29 teams.  And don't throw the "it's all Josh Allen" BS at me.  The Bengals have Joe Burrow (and Chase, Higgins, and Hendrickson) and they haven't smelled the playoffs the last two years.  

 

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, bearstobills said:

 

Tell me about it.  These mistakes are egregious!! Now if we were the Chiefs, then we'd be something.  

Even though they drafted;

1. CEH AND Felix Anudike Uzomah in the first round.  

2. Skyy Moore, Breeland Sparks, and Kingsley Suamataia in the 2nd round

3. Traded a 3rd round pick for Kadarius Toney

4. Signed a replacement level right tackle (current off-sides artist Jawaan Taylor) to a 4 year 80 million dollar deal

 

Every GM has these!! Every. Single. One.  We went to the AFC championship game last year.  It was no accident.  They have good players.  He picked, signed, resigned, and traded for those good players.  Is he perfect?  Of course not.  But the Bills are drafting 30th.  So he's more perfect than the other 29 teams.  And don't throw the "it's all Josh Allen" BS at me.  The Bengals have Joe Burrow (and Chase, Higgins, and Hendrickson) and they haven't smelled the playoffs the last two years.  

 

 

It's like I said 

 

If buffalo drafts 3 stud dlineman and they are all contributing and Garrett or Crosby get hurt none of the Beane detractors are going to tip their cap. 

 

I'm not saying there shouldn't be criticism, there has been a few mistakes, but this team is really frickin good. 

 

I understand the frustration but the rhetoric is ridiculous.

 

Stuff like "Dane Jackson sucks "

 

I just don't think ppl have a grasp of rosters around the NFL 

 

I had to hear all week about how much more talent the ravens had. The truth was that the bills were actually the slightly more talented team. 

 

Ppl need to give credit to Beane and compartmentalize the frustration of trying to build a super bowl roster. 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

It's not that, but is facepalm worthy and it is embarrassing. End of the franchise? No. Unnecessarily stupid? Maybe.

 

First off, Beane only knew about one...having the other come out after the fact is no fault of Beanes, would have happened to any GM in the league that signed Larry.  

 

And Beane felt good enough about Hoecht and his situation to sign him anyway.  Again, doing so not knowing that coincidentally a 2nd player was going to also face the same situation.  

 

So how exactly is it embarrassing?  Beane made a calculated decision that based on what they knew about Hoecht and his potential suspension, that he still was worth signing.  For a GM to be blindsided by a 2nd player in the same position, one he has no prior history with, not only wasn't even preventable by Beane, it literally is of no fault of his. 

 

Again, people are making way more drama out of this than it is.  These are role player guys on top of all that, all is not lost, and clearly given Beane willfully signed one knowing this was coming.  

Edited March 15 by Alphadawg7

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

This is unfortunate… Beane hasn’t done a good job at all with this DL.  Two new additions now not available till week 7.   

When it comes to players on the DL, Beane has struggled.  He's respectable with the other positions and finding mid round diamonds.   But his entire career is marked with selective failures at DE / DT.  Hoecht better be one hoecht of a player to justify eating 6 games right out of the gate.  He's not a jag nor is he a 2M/ yr player. This is impactful.

Edited March 15 by LABILLBACKER

[NickelCity]

Beane has got to be burning with embarrassment. Wow.

[Kelly to Allen]

5 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Beane has got to be burning with embarrassment. Wow.

 

It's not as big a deal as ppl are making it, but it's definitely embarrassing. 

 

The league process or logistics of reporting this seems bizarre 

[90sBills]

24 minutes ago, bearstobills said:

 

Tell me about it.  These mistakes are egregious!! Now if we were the Chiefs, then we'd be something.  

Even though they drafted;

1. CEH AND Felix Anudike Uzomah in the first round.  

2. Skyy Moore, Breeland Sparks, and Kingsley Suamataia in the 2nd round

3. Traded a 3rd round pick for Kadarius Toney

4. Signed a replacement level right tackle (current off-sides artist Jawaan Taylor) to a 4 year 80 million dollar deal

 

Every GM has these!! Every. Single. One.  We went to the AFC championship game last year.  It was no accident.  They have good players.  He picked, signed, resigned, and traded for those good players.  Is he perfect?  Of course not.  But the Bills are drafting 30th.  So he's more perfect than the other 29 teams.  And don't throw the "it's all Josh Allen" BS at me.  The Bengals have Joe Burrow (and Chase, Higgins, and Hendrickson) and they haven't smelled the playoffs the last two years.  

 

Chiefs also won 3 Super Bowl rings while making those mistakes. If we have even 1 championship with this regime fans would react differently to things like this. It’s a build up. Not a standalone issue. 

[bearstobills]

23 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

When it comes to players on the DL, Beane is an absolute train wreck.  He's respectable with the other positions and finding mid round diamonds.   But his entire career is marked with failures at DE / DT.

I know this tiring sentiment is the growing growl here on the message board, but it lacks nuance, and frankly...truth.  Is Greg Rousseau a train wreck?  Is Ed Oliver a train wreck?  Was Leonard Floyd's tenure here a train wreck?  Was the Daquan Jones free agent signing a train wreck?  Harrison Phillips? Even the AJ Epenesa pick (end of the 2nd round with major busts all over the board before and after him) is at worst, less than a train wreck. 

 

Are you upset he got Joey Bosa this year?  Von was injured.  That's not a train wreck.  Are you mad about the rotational guys.  The Tim Settles and Jordan Phillips of the world?

 

So, where are the train wrecks?  Boogie Basham.  For sure!!  Dewayne Carter? Maybe.   

 

I fully acknowledge the line was crap last year.  So does he.  So he's doing whatever he can to fix it.  I also acknowledge that you don't just snap your fingers and it's done.  They draft near the end of the first round every year.  They have a QB who eats up a ton of the cap.  And he has to address every position on the field.  He did build a team that went to the AFC championship game last year.  And if a very good TE makes a catch that he should make, we might be talking about a parade, not an awful defensive line.

Edited March 15 by bearstobills

[Doc Brown]

30 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

Beane has got to be burning with embarrassment. Wow.

Maybe give him the benefit of the doubt and that he simply grabbed the wrong list getting coffee after burning the midnight oil watching film all night.

 

One list was "available free agents" and the other was "PED suspended free agents."

[bearstobills]

38 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

First off, Beane only knew about one...having the other come out after the fact is no fault of Beanes, would have happened to any GM in the league that signed Larry.  

 

And Beane felt good enough about Hoecht and his situation to sign him anyway.  Again, doing so not knowing that coincidentally a 2nd player was going to also face the same situation.  

 

So how exactly is it embarrassing?  Beane made a calculated decision that based on what they knew about Hoecht and his potential suspension, that he still was worth signing.  For a GM to be blindsided by a 2nd player in the same position, one he has no prior history with, not only wasn't even preventable by Beane, it literally is of no fault of his. 

 

Again, people are making way more drama out of this than it is.  These are role player guys on top of all that, all is not lost, and clearly given Beane willfully signed one knowing this was coming.  

Your common sensical, contextualized, nuanced, and unemotional point of view frankly has no place here!

[LABILLBACKER]

28 minutes ago, bearstobills said:

I know this tiring sentiment is the growing growl here on the message board, but it lacks nuance, and frankly...truth.  Is Greg Rousseau a train wreck?  Is Ed Oliver a train wreck?  Was Leonard Floyd's tenure here a train wreck?  Was the Daquan Jones free agent signing a train wreck?  Harrison Phillips? Even the AJ Epenesa pick (end of the 2nd round with major busts all over the board before and after him) is at worst, less than a train wreck. 

 

Are you upset he got Joey Bosa this year?  Von was injured.  That's not a train wreck.  Are you mad about the rotational guys.  The Tim Settles and Jordan Phillips of the world?

 

So, where are the train wrecks?  Boogie Basham.  For sure!!  Dewayne Carter? Maybe.   

 

I fully acknowledge the line was crap last year.  So does he.  So he's doing whatever he can to fix it.  I also acknowledge that you don't just snap your fingers and it's done.  They draft near the end of the first round every year.  They have a QB who eats up a ton of the cap.  And he has to address every position on the field.  He did build a team that went to the AFC championship game last year.  And if a very good TE makes a catch that he should make, we might be talking about a parade, not an awful defensive line.

Dude you're really lowering the bar for your opinion of our DL over the last several years. I'll go on record as saying both Ed and Greg are overpaid based on their production. Maybe sacks are so yesterday, less nuance.  The current analytical "lennys" love their qb hits and pressures.  That's how we stop 15 until it doesn't work. DQ was worthless last year. AJE is the reincarnation of Kelsay. 

 

The bottom line is we're never winning a SB without at least 1 elite game wrecking player on the DL.  Rams had Donald. KC has Jones. The Eagles and Howie find D players who fight.  Groot in that last playoff game looked like Diggs in his last playoff game.  I appreciate the excellent moves BB has made but he's struggled with DL. 

[Kelly to Allen]

I love how ppl just say our rookie class sucked last year when it was the opposite before these guys got hurt. And then once bishop finally got settled in after his injury, he looked much better at the end of the season. 

 

Coleman was in the running for being the best rookie wr in the NFL before the injury, Carter was getting more and more snaps and emerging before he got hurt. Solomon showed real pass rush flash, ray Davis looked really good, Grable won the swing tackle job as a rookie.

 

And we even have a Daequan Hardy who could surprise and ascend in year two, Ulofishio etc....

 

Ppl are wanting to assign blame instead of Really looking around the league and saying wow. 

 

The jets are a joke, so is Miami and the pats.

 

So much for the Bengals, how about the browns trading away Mayfield, look at how overrated Dallas is?

 

Nobody wants to win a championship more than me for this city. I was upset after the afc championship and said it's never going to happen etc. we're all emotional about the team 

 

They are going to win a couple super bowls with Allen. We have the right ppl in place as frustrating as it's been. 

7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dude you're really lowering the bar for your opinion of our DL over the last several years. I'll go on record as saying both Ed and Greg are overpaid based on their production. Maybe sacks are so yesterday, less nuance.  The current analytical "lennys" love their qb hits and pressures.  That's how we stop 15 until it doesn't work. DQ was worthless last year. AJE is the reincarnation of Kelsay. 

 

The bottom line is we're never winning a SB without at least 1 elite game wrecking player on the DL.  Rams had Donald. KC has Jones. The Eagles and Howie find D players who fight.  Groot in that last playoff game looked like Diggs in his last playoff game.  I appreciate the excellent moves BB has made but he's struggled with DL. 

 

Almost all metrics point that Rousseau was one of the most dominant dlineman in the NFL last year. 

 

He's not Myles Garrett or a tier one de. It doesn't mean he's not one heck of a player. I have said before he reminds me of Sean Jones and Charles Mann. Neither of those two were Bruce or even DeMarcus Ware. They were still really really good. Rousseau is in that class which is outstanding at the end of rd 1 

 

It was always a joke that buffalo wasn't going to extend one of the most explosive 3tech dts and des in the NFL in Oliver and Rousseau. Especially with Rousseau being 24.

 

If Beane didn't extend Rousseau then I would have fired him on the spot. 

 

Ppl comparing him to Edmunds are as clueless as it gets

Edited March 15 by Kelly to Allen

[bearstobills]

21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dude you're really lowering the bar for your opinion of our DL over the last several years. I'll go on record as saying both Ed and Greg are overpaid based on their production. Maybe sacks are so yesterday, less nuance.  The current analytical "lennys" love their qb hits and pressures.  That's how we stop 15 until it doesn't work. DQ was worthless last year. AJE is the reincarnation of Kelsay. 

 

The bottom line is we're never winning a SB without at least 1 elite game wrecking player on the DL.  Rams had Donald. KC has Jones. The Eagles and Howie find D players who fight.  Groot in that last playoff game looked like Diggs in his last playoff game.  I appreciate the excellent moves BB has made but he's struggled with DL. 

Indeed to much of what you say.  But Von was a real swing to get that guy.  And now Bosa is the same (hopefully with a different result).  Did you watch his presser?  That's a guy who knows he can dominate.  Only the greats are able to say what he said.  And of course they're going to use a 1rst and 2nd on another piece.  I disagree with Groot.  I think he's worth every penny.  It's not a stretch to say he's the best run stopping DE in the league.  Ed is maddening.  But if you can find the right pieces around him, he's definitely part of the solution...not the problem.  Wish he was more Aaron Donald.  He's not.  Never will be.  AJE--c'mon.  A late 2nd round pick.  He was never going to be great.

 

I'm such a Beane supporter, it's hard for me to criticize him. That's because the team success speaks volumes. That being said, it's the WR position that I wish he was better at.  With the D-Line, the way the draft and free agency has gone, I don't see too many guys he passed on.  As for WR, AJ Brown, DK, Justin Jefferson, and Ladd could have all been Bills.  But every gm passed on DK twice. and Beane was hell bent on finding a tackle in that draft to protect Josh.  As for Jefferson,  The Eagles took Jalen Reagor one pick before Jefferson and the Bills ended up with Diggs.  So none of this easy.  And there's a certain amount of luck involved in team building.

 

But in Brandon Beane I trust!!  That's my motto.  He's better at this than me.  He's better at this than most other GM's.  I think he will find the right mix.  To be the last team standing is an ultra-difficult feat.  Fans who view non-championship seasons as failures view sports through a completely different lens than I do.  

Edited March 15 by bearstobills

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dude you're really lowering the bar for your opinion of our DL over the last several years. I'll go on record as saying both Ed and Greg are overpaid based on their production. Maybe sacks are so yesterday, less nuance.  The current analytical "lennys" love their qb hits and pressures.  That's how we stop 15 until it doesn't work. DQ was worthless last year. AJE is the reincarnation of Kelsay. 

 

The bottom line is we're never winning a SB without at least 1 elite game wrecking player on the DL.  Rams had Donald. KC has Jones. The Eagles and Howie find D players who fight.  Groot in that last playoff game looked like Diggs in his last playoff game.  I appreciate the excellent moves BB has made but he's struggled with DL. 

Not to mention Poona Ford and Tim Settle have flourished since leaving here.  Leonard Floyd and Daquon Jones were the only solid free agent signing imo even though Floyd was here only a season.  Mario Addison was somewhat productive I guess given his age.  I'd consider Rousseau their best D-line pick given his floor is what you'd expect in a later first round pick.  Ed Oliver has been madly inconsistent.  Basham was a bust and Epenesa has been underwhelming to be kind.  Signing Star as 1 Technique was a terrible deal.  So was signing Trent Murphy to a $22m contract.  Quinton Jefferson signing was a disaster the first time around and he looked worse last year.  Don't get me started on Vernon Butler.  Now we just signed two free agents caught juicing and said "screw it.  We'll sign them anyways."  Other than that, Beane's done great. 

[PayDaBill$]

6 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Bosa , the draft and possibly Solomon / Carter ascending are going to be where the true difference makers come from

 

Not a backup DT and backup de

Bosa struggles to stay healthy & Carter / Solomon are completely unproven unknowns.  

Edited March 15 by PayDaBill$

[Kelly to Allen]

9 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Bosa struggles to stay healthy & Carter / Solomon are completely unproven unknowns.  

 

That's why I said if Carter and Solomon ascend. They definitely flashed as rookies but you're correct in that we don't know if they will be anything having star power yet.

 

Bosa has to stay healthy. But bosa is still absolutely in his prime unlike Von. 

 

Hopefully they have a good load management plan which i think they will. 

 

They're not just drafting 2 dlineman. I have had as much as 5 dlineman being drafted in my mock sometimes 

 

They're not close to Done on the dline or on the defense 

 

Edited March 15 by Kelly to Allen