Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, buffblue said:

Take a deep breath man, at least as far as the Bills go. They will be fine.

 

I'm a die hard Yanks fan too, and that situation is waaaaaaay more dire. Their season is effectively over before it even began.

Nope.  They go with judge just as the bills go with Allen.  When judge goes out they struggle.  Losing Cole sucks though.
 

they are going to be ok.

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I’ll be more upset if they don’t go WR early and often but I do think D line and WR will be prioritized. 

 

Do you like these first 3 picks?

 

1. Darius Alexander  DL

2. Jayden Higgins WR

2. Josiah Stewart  DE

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This is an all-time botch by Beane.  They knew Hoecht was suspended and signed him to a moderate deal.  Then they honored the Ogunjobe signing after realizing he’d be suspended for 6 weeks.

 

Terrible job IMO

 

What if both guys and 3 dlineman from the draft are awesome later in the season tho?

Edited Saturday at 01:50 AM by Kelly to Allen

[buffblue]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

Nope.  They go with judge just as the bills go with Allen.  When judge goes out they struggle.  Losing Cole sucks though.
 

they are going to be ok.

I guess I'm confused what you're upset about then. You said you were unhappy about the Yanks before coming on this board. 

 

And Judge is great, but losing Soto and acquiring Bellinger and Goldschmidt is not equivalent. The difference this year COULD have been pitching, but they are screwed without Cole and Gil. Cashman all but admitted as much yesterday.

[MasterStrategist]

11 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Yankee game ends, I log out of that and into this site to see the news of the day.

 

i am not looking for arguments or anything but this has been imo a miserable week.  
 

this is really embarrassing, nothing like tainting the image of your entire franchise with two dopes who have never even taken a snap for you yet.

 

and that will be all from me today so I don’t get in trouble.

Don't proeject your negative Yanks vibes, and let them manifest here.

 

Not embarrassing when Beane already knew about 1 and, just due to timing, found out about the other while the deal for Larry was about to be signed.

 

Tainted the franchise?  Wow, this is when people need to get a grip.

 

I'm not condoning PEDs/steroids etc, but players take "supplements".  Sometimes the difference between being "caught" with hormones, is like scoring an 89 vs a 90 on a test.  This isn't Barry Bonds juicing.  Not saying both players are shameless either, both owning up to it.  

 

Tainting a franchise is signing a known criminal- plenty of examples to be tossed around there, but this isn't that.

 

Gerrit Cole will be back next yr, until then keep the Yank anxiety on their message board.

[MikePJ76]

Just now, buffblue said:

I guess I'm confused what you're upset about then. You said you were unhappy about the Yanks before coming on this board. 

 

And Judge is great, but losing Soto and acquiring Bellinger and Goldschmidt is not equivalent. The difference this year COULD have been pitching, but they are screwed without Cole and Gil. Cashman all but admitted as much yesterday.

I’m not upset about the Yankees at all.  No idea where you are getting that from.

 

they will be fine without Soto.  Bellinger has looked really good this spring.  As I said the Yankees are going to be fine.  Will Warren has a chance to be a good 4th or 5th pitcher.  
 

they will trade for a starter in July.  

[mikemac2001]

So does anyone know or can confirm 

 

is there cap savings?

can it be reduced? 
could this reduce how they hit comp

picks?

anyway out of these deals ?

[MikePJ76]

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

Don't proeject your negative Yanks vibes, and let them manifest here.

 

Not embarrassing when Beane already knew about 1 and, just due to timing, found out about the other while the deal for Larry was about to be signed.

 

Tainted the franchise?  Wow, this is when people need to get a grip.

 

I'm not condoning PEDs/steroids etc, but players take "supplements".  Sometimes the difference between being "caught" with hormones, is like scoring an 89 vs a 90 on a test.  This isn't Barry Bonds juicing.  Not saying both players are shameless either, both owning up to it.  

 

Tainting a franchise is signing a known criminal- plenty of examples to be tossed around there, but this isn't that.

 

Gerrit Cole will be back next yr, until then keep the Yank anxiety on their message board.

What?  I’m not mad about the Yankees at all.  I said I just finished watching the game and logged off mlb.com and logged in here.

 

how that is being turned into yank anxiety…whatever that is I have no idea. 
 

Please spare me what I can and can’t say about the team. 

[buffblue]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I’m not upset about the Yankees at all.  No idea where you are getting that from.

 

they will be fine without Soto.  Bellinger has looked really good this spring.  As I said the Yankees are going to be fine.  Will Warren has a chance to be a good 4th or 5th pitcher.  
 

they will trade for a starter in July.  

Maybe I misunderstood. Hopefully they will figure out something. Anyways, enough baseball talk for this forum.

 

I really don't think the Hoecht/Ogunjobi situations, while embarrassing, take anything away from the Bills position this offseason. Relative to other contenders, the Bills have at least treaded water if not slightly improved whereas most other top teams have been a net negative so far. They have 10 picks and a great deal of flexibility in the draft. All is not lost. I honestly feel great about where the Bills are right at this moment.

Edited Saturday at 01:59 AM by buffblue

[Aussie Joe]

37 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I don't think it will be needed. I firmly believe they're drafting 2 dts and 1-2 des

 

I think they want to overhaul a lot of the defense, especially up front through the draft

the thing is though ….what happens to that person filling in  when Larry is back to the 53 team after his suspension ? At least Phillips could go to the practice squad and will be pretty much unwanted by anyone else …

[NeverOutNick]

17 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Do you like these first 3 picks?

 

1. Darius Alexander  DL

2. Jayden Higgins WR

2. Josiah Stewart  DE

 

What if both guys and 3 dlineman from the draft are awesome later in the season tho?

I’ll be honest this is the first year I can remember I haven’t done my deep dive on prospects. After the chiefs loss I was done with watching anything football related until Josh extended. Now I’m back slowly lol. I’ll dig deeper but definitely wouldn’t be mad if those positions were the first 3 picks. One guy I liked a lot watching college last year was Golden from Texas. He would be a good fit. 
 

I also liked Restrepo a lot from Miami but not sure he brings anything we don’t already have with Shakir. He’s very solid though like him a lot 

Edited Saturday at 02:06 AM by NeverOutNick

[Ralonzo]

Why is everyone worried, Jordan Phillips and Quinton Jefferson get 6-game contracts, done.

[Kelly to Allen]

9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

the thing is though ….what happens to that person filling in  when Larry is back to the 53 team after his suspension ? At least Phillips could go to the practice squad and will be pretty much unwanted by anyone else …

 

This is just my opinion but because I think they want to take advantage of a rich dline class, it wouldn't surprise me if they keep 11 dlineman.

 

And when Hoecht/ Larry O come back they cut Epenesa and Smoot, or Smoot and Jones and put them on the PS.  

 

Before Carter hurt his wrist he was starting to take snaps away from Daquan for example 

 

They want to overhaul the dline in a big way imo

Edited Saturday at 02:09 AM by Kelly to Allen

[Andy1]

This is such BS by the NFL. They should give teams a list of players who will be suspended the following season before free agency begins. My Google search seems to only show the Bills as having signed a fee agent and then discover they were to be suspended. Like really??? Why no other teams? You know this would never happen to the Chiefs.

[Reks Ryan]

Considering what a good overall GM Beane has been for the Bills, it’s amazing how horrible he has been at signing D-line free agents.   Failure after failure and with considerable investment.  The Achilles Heel that continues to prevent the Bills from getting through the AFC playoffs.

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

This is such BS by the NFL. They should give teams a list of players who will be suspended the following season before free agency begins. My Google search seems to only show the Bills as having signed a fee agent and then discover they were to be suspended. Like really??? Why no other teams? You know this would never happen to the Chiefs.

Beane knew before both players officially signed.

[MikePJ76]

14 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

This is just my opinion but because I think they want to take advantage of a rich dline class, it wouldn't surprise me if they keep 11 dlineman.

 

And when Hoecht/ Larry O come back they cut Epenesa and Smoot, or Smoot and Jones and put them on the PS.  

 

Before Carter hurt his wrist he was starting to take snaps away from Daquan for example 

 

They want to overhaul the dline in a big way imo

Smoot is not even on the team and there is almost no way they cut AJ.

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Smoot is not even on the team and there is almost no way they cut AJ.

 

If they draft 4 dlineman, it's possible. 

 

I agree it's not likely they cut Epenesa. 

 

I think they will bring in Smoot on a vet min

Edited Saturday at 02:26 AM by Kelly to Allen

[julian]

29 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I’m not upset about the Yankees at all.  No idea where you are getting that from.

 

they will be fine without Soto.  Bellinger has looked really good this spring.  As I said the Yankees are going to be fine.  Will Warren has a chance to be a good 4th or 5th pitcher.  
 

they will trade for a starter in July.  

[SinceThe70s]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Beane knew before both players officially signed.

 

Both? I thought they knew about Hoecht but not Ogunjobi - but Ojunjobi knew before he signed. 

[MikePJ76]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

 

If they draft 4 dlineman, it's possible. 

 

I agree it's not likely they cut Epenesa. 

The team has a flashing danger ahead sign going off in regards to corner on this team.  
 

d line is going to take a backseat now to the desperate need for a corner with pick 30.  And actually I think they are going to move back a little and look to recoup that 3 with a high 4 because the player pool is going to be very similar between 30 and say 40 ish.

 

they basically have to take a corner first.  They are one bad training camp injury to benford from rolling into the season with Ingram and Jackson as starters.  
 

they have been knocked out by the chiefs two years in a row in large part because benford and rapp were out.  As of right now they did nothing to remedy that.

 

this is why I said this week was miserable to me, the extensions were great and signing Hamlin was really important imo, but not signing a starting caliber corner was a big mistake imo and now they are left chasing the position.   Then throw in two players they were going to rely on up front being out six games.  It’s a bad situation.