Hoecht and Ogunjobi 6 game suspension for PEDs

[Casey D]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

 

So are these guys JAGS without PEDs?  Not like they were all pros to begin with.

They were taking supplements.  This is not a Barry Bonds deal.

[PayDaBill$]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

And they're in for 65% of the season, plus playoffs.

Lmao look at the 1st 6 games! Check back I say we’re 500 or a bit above if the DL Issues aren’t resolved !!   This is no joke!

Edited March 15 by PayDaBill$

[Freddie's Dead]

18 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Hoecht said he was getting all of his supplements from his trainer.  Additionally he'd have them tested to make sure he was taking what the product was labeled.  Since he hadn't had an issue, he trusted his trainer and got complacent with the testing.  After the season he was notified he'd tested positive for testosterone.

 

bull####.  The athlete is responsible for everything going into his body.  The days of blaming the trainer are long gone.

[GolfandBills]

This is unfortunate… Beane hasn’t done a good job at all with this DL.  Two new additions now not available till week 7.   

Edited March 15 by GolfandBills

[Billsatlastin2018]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

And they're in for 65% of the season, plus playoffs.

If you’re happy that the GM got schooled, that’s on you.

 

I am not.

[stevestojan]

I’m no GM, but I think my questions might be:

 

1) is he good at football. 
2) Will he accept our offer. 
3) is he set to miss nearly half the ***** season for an upcoming suspension? 
4) how’s his bench press? 
 

Maybe stop skipping Question 3, Brando. 
 

 

 

Edited March 15 by stevestojan

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Herc11 said:

 

Could also be Adderall. PEDs encompass a variety of things, which makes my point. 

 

PEDs don't automatically mean steroids. 

 

If you took the time to read what I was replying to, you would understand the context of what I was saying.

I understood the context perfectly fine.  You're trying to say they aren't going to necessarily have a performance dropoff from stopping PEDs.

 

Kind of defeats the purpose and risk of using them if there's no performance boost.  It's only logical that if you stop, you lose that.

[Maynard]

Big Baller Beane! 
 

 

[Aussie Joe]

So who thinks Jordan Phillips is likely back for the first 6 weeks to fill in for Larry?

[GolfandBills]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

Well to be positive they should be healthy and full of energy come week 7

Bigger issue is the defense has to prepare to play without them for to the first 6 weeks.  I’m sure they had plans especially for Hoecht and moving him around.  This just puts a huge delay on that.  It won’t be plug in play soon as they are back.  

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

So who thinks Jordan Phillips is likely back for the first 6 weeks to fill in for Larry?

Looks like an inevitable move now unfortunately 

Edited March 15 by GolfandBills

[DrPJax]

3 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I like Beane, but wouldn’t he have had to know this was coming before signing these guys?  This is a huge failure on his part.  Now we know why Jones and AJE are still on the team, but this is a pretty big black eye for the organization.

       One is bad enough but two players suspended in the one area , d line, you have repeatedly made mistakes with in both wasted draft capital and free agency failures is just unforgivable imo.   Thats a third of the season , enough time with our schedule to once again lose a game or two costing the 1 seed.   It’s just laughable how many mistakes this staff has made along the d line , an area that has definitely cost us games and playoff losses in the past. Plus these guys are new to the team , slowing chemistry and learning mcds so called complex d  which also slows integration into the rotation. I also think ped use is either a discipline or intelligence issue given the long knowledge base these vets have been exposed too and suggests they are also a risk for further injuries as something obviously wasn’t progressing for them to chance this. Seems a contradiction to the type of player dogma Beane / McD are always preaching. 
 

        Its just another self inflicted set of issues for non superstar type players that is another example of lack of attention to detail that goes along with this regimes inability to solve the d line talent issue for their entire tenure. You hear about teams with one guy getting suspended yearly , but TWO free agents in the biggest area you were trying to really improve , is just borderline incompetence to me.  Sorry ,,but if I had a business where multiple people were failing drug tests , that’s a failure in management and I would be replacing supervisory positions.   Would you be ok with multiple employees missing a third of the work year after paying them prior to any production?   
 

     Little things matter in such a competitive league and it’s things like this that make you wonder if this regime is capable of performing at a high enough level to ever build a true SB winning team. They definitely don’t give the impression that they could build a multiple winning dynasty type run like the chiefs, pats , or even at the level of the Eagles.  I don’t know if it’s good to minimize errors like this or rationalize it by saying they will be fresh late in the season.  It’s ignoring 6 games of 0 production after just complaining about low production from epenesa , miller , and the prior unproductive lineman Beane has signed. I’m just getting less impressed with him as time passes; prove me wrong and win a SB. Add the cb 2 questions , still not getting a quality possible wr 1 for your mvp qb , and i just see Allen’s time here being squandered. Just inexcusable mistakes for such a great gm , who seems more likable than productive. 

[LABILLBACKER]

54 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

they’ll amend it just in time for Chris Jones to get a 1 game suspension for the same offense

Cool, a 3rd NFL BIlls rule that will be changed.  We will be the founding fathers of all new "Bills got screwed" rules this decade.  

 

The OT rule

The new technology ball spot rule

The full disclosure PED rule

[Kelly to Allen]

14 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Lmao look at the 1st 6 games! Check back I say we’re 500 or a bit above if the DL Issues aren’t resolved !!   This is no joke!

 

Bosa , the draft and possibly Solomon / Carter ascending are going to be where the true difference makers come from

 

Not a backup DT and backup de

Edited March 15 by Kelly to Allen

[Jerome007]

4 hours ago, QCity said:

If I had to bet on one of our FAs testing positive I would have said Bosa. Guess there's still time for the hat trick? 

As if PED use wasn't super widespread i nthe NFL. No need to single out anyone... not caught yet ha ha. The NFL testing protocol is widely known as a joke and simply a PR move to keep the clueless fans happy. Yet they caught TWO of the new Bills players? WT H are the odds?

[Bills_fan123]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

This offseason has been terrible,  you waste sizeable cap space on a guy you know is going to be suspended for cheating using PED'S. Unless your signing him on league Min,  then you stay away.  Beane gives him huge money for his production.  He overpays on WR that had less then 40 catches and is maybe a 3rd or 4th receiver and now has 2 signings that are suspended for PED'S

 

The Bills come off as a joke and desperate,  you don't sign cheaters

[Kelly to Allen]

10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

So who thinks Jordan Phillips is likely back for the first 6 weeks to fill in for Larry?

 

I don't think it will be needed. I firmly believe they're drafting 2 dts and 1-2 des

 

I think they want to overhaul a lot of the defense, especially up front through the draft

[Jrb1979]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Just as we can go on and on about the GOOD things Brandon Beane has done.

It's a matter of perspective, of fairly weighing the good vs the bad, and of "glass half full" vs "glass half empty" outlooks.

 

He's done great things with winning the AFC East every season and being a playoff team each season. Most other teams would love that success.  

 

The other side is the goal is a Super Bowl 

[Kelly to Allen]

5 minutes ago, Bills_fan123 said:

This offseason has been terrible,  you waste sizeable cap space on a guy you know is going to be suspended for cheating using PED'S. Unless your signing him on league Min,  then you stay away.  Beane gives him huge money for his production.  He overpays on WR that had less then 40 catches and is maybe a 3rd or 4th receiver and now has 2 signings that are suspended for PED'S

 

The Bills come off as a joke and desperate,  you don't sign cheaters

 

So you would rather give Milton Williams 100 million even though both guys they signed in fa will have similar production, maybe better???

 

We were never getting Myles Garrett. 

 

The difference makers will come from the draft in a massively rich dline class 

 

When the 3 dlineman we draft are dominant opening day and Garrett/ Crosby are hurt again nobody will give Beane credit....

 

 

Edited March 15 by Kelly to Allen

[jkeerie]

16 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

bull####.  The athlete is responsible for everything going into his body.  The days of blaming the trainer are long gone.

Listen to his presser.  Hoecht took responsibility.  He's simply explaining that he had always had his supplements tested by a third party and he stopped because he'd never had an issue.  Yes, he got the supplements from his trainer, but he said it was his responsibility to continue the separate testing and he got complacent.  

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Bosa , the draft and possibly Solomon / Carter ascending are going to be where the true difference makers come from

 

Not a backup DT and backup de

Yeah.  We should be fine.  The only concern is if we have a cluster of injuries on the defensive line the first six games.  I'm hopeful Eli Ankou gets a fair shot to make the team.