Dane Jackson signs with the Bills

[billsfan89]

54 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Yay.  What’s the obsession with running it back with all these mediocre ex Bills

 

It is cheap depth for a guy who has played fairly well (Esp as he always plugged in as a backup). Some people just like to complain. 

[MasterStrategist]

38 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Shaq Griffin, Witherspoon, Kendall

Fuller. Way better options than Dane.

 

Ya they are looking to draft CB2, doesn't mean it's going to work out does it? We drafted Cole bishop to be the starting safety last year and he got beat out by Damar Hamlin... 🤢

 

You want to live in a world that if the rookie corner doesn't pan out, that you have Dane Jackson starting on a Super Bowl calibre team?

Those players all have concerns as well, better than Dane, perhaps recently.  Dane has been exactly average IMO.

 

And yes, we need to count on a 1st or 2nd rounder to start at CB.  I'd have preferred we grabbed a legit CB2 in FA, but at this point, the marginal difference between Dane and your list above isn't SB caliber.

 

We need our high draft pick to perform, none of these other options change that fact.  And that's my point about why get bent about Dane?! If we have to count on any of these Cb3 types, it will be a long season.

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Those players all have concerns as well, better than Dane, perhaps recently.  Dane has been exactly average IMO.

 

And yes, we need to count on a 1st or 2nd rounder to start at CB.  I'd have preferred we grabbed a legit CB2 in FA, but at this point, the marginal difference between Dane and your list above isn't SB caliber.

 

We need our high draft pick to perform, none of these other options change that fact.  And that's my point about why get bent about Dane?! If we have to count on any of these Cb3 types, it will be a long season.

How do you figure Dane has been average? His grades last year were some of the worst in football, and he got benched on one of the worst defences in the nfl, and then cut. In every imaginable way, he was a disaster last year.

 

Elam and bishop were 1st and 2nd rounders drafted by Beane. And you're saying as a Super Bowl calibre team in josh Allen's prime, that you go all In on a rookie corner who's never played a down of nfl football in his life?

 

And if it fails, you have Dane Jackson who was benched by maybe the worst defence in the nfl, to take the starting role?

[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

How do you figure Dane has been average? His grades last year were some of the worst in football, and he got benched on one of the worst defences in the nfl, and then cut. In every imaginable way, he was a disaster last year.

 

Elam and bishop were 1st and 2nd rounders drafted by Beane. And you're saying as a Super Bowl calibre team in josh Allen's prime, that you go all In on a rookie corner who's never played a down of nfl football in his life?

 

And if it fails, you have Dane Jackson who was benched by maybe the worst defence in the nfl, to take the starting role?

I'm saying, Dane Jackson vs a washed up Kendall Fuller, a limited Shaq Griffin, etc doesn't make any difference to me.  These guys are CB3 material.

 

If you want to find something to get frustrated about, wait until we actually draft a CB2 and see what he can do.

 

I already told you my "preferred" approach would have been to go sign a legit CB2.  Clearly, for many possible reasons, that didn't happen.

 

Now we have to rely on Beane hitting on an early CB prospect.  Signing Dane Jackson isn't the reason to be upset though.  You're how already dooming this situation to a failed draft pick upcoming.  Based on past picks, maybe?  Elam, yes.  Bishop, way too early but he clearly wasn't ready LY.  

 

Now Beane has to absolutely hit on a starter.  That's why I'm going to guess it's a round 1 selection.

 

But again, and I'll say this for the 3rd time because it didn't sink in last time I told you this....signing Dane or your list makes a lick of difference.  We don't want to be counting on any of them to be our starter out of camp. 

 

But I am extremely comfortable with Dane as our 3rd.  He wasn't good, he wasn't bad, that easy enough for you to understand why I'm calling him average?  He wasn't a liability for us, he had plus traits but just doesn't have the speed to be a man to man type.  And I could careless about Carolina.  We know first hand how he's played in our system, and a cheap option to be depth.  For all we know this could be another year of double dipping on CBs, and Dane might not make the team.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:

I'm saying, Dane Jackson vs a washed up Kendall Fuller, a limited Shaq Griffin, etc doesn't make any difference to me.  These guys are CB3 material.

 

If you want to find something to get frustrated about, wait until we actually draft a CB2 and see what he can do.

 

I already told you my "preferred" approach would have been to go sign a legit CB2.  Clearly, for many possible reasons, that didn't happen.

 

Now we have to rely on Beane hitting on an early CB prospect.  Signing Dane Jackson isn't the reason to be upset though.  You're how already dooming this situation to a failed draft pick upcoming.  Based on past picks, maybe?  Elam, yes.  Bishop, way too early but he clearly wasn't ready LY.  

 

Now Beane has to absolutely hit on a starter.  That's why I'm going to guess it's a round 1 selection.

 

But again, and I'll say this for the 3rd time because it didn't sink in last time I told you this....signing Dane or your list makes a lick of difference.  We don't want to be counting on any of them to be our starter out of camp. 

 

But I am extremely comfortable with Dane as our 3rd.  He wasn't good, he wasn't bad, that easy enough for you to understand why I'm calling him average?  He wasn't a liability for us, he had plus traits but just doesn't have the speed to be a man to man type.  And I could care less about Carolina.  We know first hand how he's played in our system, and a cheap option to be depth.  For all we know this could be another year of double dipping on CBs, and Dane might not make the team.

Respectfully, you're incorrect saying Dane is the same as the players I listed and I'm not even trying to be a jerk by saying this. It's not even close. Don't take my word for it, just look at the stats

 

I do disagree with Dane as the CB3. Injuries happen a ton in the nfl and unfortunately benford is a bit injury prone. I don't want to live in a world where Dane is one snap away from playing in big games.

 

It's all good and we can agree to disagree on what we think about Dane.

But I think drafting a rookie and then having Dane as your CB3 and/or competing for CB2 is a disaster waiting to happen. (As we literally witnessed that last year in the safety position)

[MasterStrategist]

14 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Respectfully, you're incorrect saying Dane is the same as the players I listed and I'm not even trying to be a jerk by saying this. It's not even close. Don't take my word for it, just look at the stats

 

I do disagree with Dane as the CB3. Injuries happen a ton in the nfl and unfortunately benford is a bit injury prone. I don't want to live in a world where Dane is one snap away from playing in big games.

 

It's all good and we can agree to disagree on what we think about Dane.

But I think drafting a rookie and then having Dane as your CB3 and/or competing for CB2 is a disaster waiting to happen. (As we literally witnessed that last year in the safety position)

We clearly disagree on the player evaluations.  

 

You'd clearly feel OK, if any of the names you listed are CB3.  That's fine.  

 

Bigger point isn't CB3, it's hitting on CB2.  Dane or Fuller or Shaq, none of those guys are Cb2 material....would you agree?

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

We clearly disagree on the player evaluations.  

 

You'd clearly feel OK, if any of the names you listed are CB3.  That's fine.  

 

Bigger point isn't CB3, it's hitting on CB2.  Dane or Fuller or Shaq, none of those guys are Cb2 material....would you agree?

Ya I would agree with that.

 

But I would feel a lot more comfortable having those guys as an insurance option, opposed to Dane Jackson.

Cause CB3 on every team in the nfl will be playing at some point, as injuries happen a lot at the CB position 

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I would agree with that.

 

But I would feel a lot more comfortable having those guys as an insurance option, opposed to Dane Jackson.

Cause CB3 on every team in the nfl will be playing at some point, as injuries happen a lot at the CB position 

Fair that you have your opinion.  But I don't like any of the guys you listed, any more than Dane.

 

I could go 1 by 1, just for example...Fuller clearly lost a step this past year, coming into age 30 season coming off 2 concussions and 0 INTs.  His man to man ability is diminishing.  3 years ago yes, better player than Dane.  Cut for a small 2.7m cap savings.  Now, these guys are evening out in my book.   Shaq same, etc

 

Again, it's going to come down to who Beane drafts, and perhaps he drafts 2.  Or Ingram takes another step forward to compete with Dane.  Way too early to get upset about depth signings, when the draft hasn't even occurred.

[NoName]

As of now, who is the favorite to be CB2.  Dane or Ingram?

[BillsFan130]

14 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Fair that you have your opinion.  But I don't like any of the guys you listed, any more than Dane.

 

I could go 1 by 1, just for example...Fuller clearly lost a step this past year, coming into age 30 season coming off 2 concussions and 0 INTs.  His man to man ability is diminishing.  3 years ago yes, better player than Dane.  Cut for a small 2.7m cap savings.  Now, these guys are evening out in my book.   Shaq same, etc

 

Again, it's going to come down to who Beane drafts, and perhaps he drafts 2.  Or Ingram takes another step forward to compete with Dane.  Way too early to get upset about depth signings, when the draft hasn't even occurred.

Fair enough.

 

If it is a CB4 signing, then I'm good with it.

 

If it's a CB3/compete for a starting job with the rookie, then I got a big issue haha.

We’ll agree to disagree though. Just different opinions on Dane is what it comes down to. I Appreciate the respectful conversation👍

[That's No Moon]

33 minutes ago, NoName said:

As of now, who is the favorite to be CB2.  Dane or Ingram?

That is disgusting. I don't want to even think about that and I will choose to believe that there will be another actual solution in place.

[Kelly to Allen]

46 minutes ago, NoName said:

As of now, who is the favorite to be CB2.  Dane or Ingram?

 

It's possible both are on the practice squad after the draft. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[PauleeeWalnuts]

Oof

[Kelly to Allen]

30: R1 P30 EDGE Mike Green - Marshall

56: R2 P24 EDGE Princely Umanmielen - Ole Miss

62: R2 P30 DL Joshua Farmer - Florida State

109: R4 P7 CB Zy Alexander - LSU

132: R4 P30 DL Aeneas Peebles - Virginia Tech

169: R5 P31 CB Mello Dotson - Kansas

173: R5 P35 WR Kobe Hudson - UCF

177: R6 P1 CB Zah Frazier - UTSA

204: R6 P28 RB Jordan James - Oregon

206: R6 P30 EDGE Tyler Batty - BYU

 

In this mock, Epenesa is possibly released or traded. 

 

If Farmer/ Peebles and Carter/ Logue ascend, Maybe Daquan is released or traded 

 

Dane Jackson and Ingram / C. Lewis go to the practice squad 

 

And I still drafted a wr and rb

 

 

Opening day defensive depth potential 

 

Bosa/ Green*/ Solomon 

Oliver/ Peebles*/ Batty*

Farmer*/ Carter 

Rousseau/ Princely*/ Batty*

 

Bernard/ Williams 

Milano 

 

Benford/ Dotson*

Alexander*/ Frazier*

T. Johnson/ Hardy

 

Bishop / Hamlin

Rapp/ Forrest 

 

Edited 16 minutes ago by Kelly to Allen