Amari Anyone?

[Einstein's Dog]

  On 3/19/2025 at 12:36 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

I really hope not.

 

I've always been a big "Cmon Beane so something" at the trade deadline kinda guy. But his track record at trade deadline moves has been poor. Kelvin Benjamin, Hines, Cooper. Maybe his best success at the deadline was Rasul, but even then we got a partial season where he was good and then last year where he was a flat out liability at times. 

 

And before anyone moves the goalposts, yeah the Diggs trade was great...but not a deadline moves as to what I'm referring to.

 

Skip the deadline. Keep the picks.

Expand  

I would be open to a trade deadline move, especially if the WR room we have now is what we have for the '25 season (still have hope that maybe we can add A Coop).

 

Even in the small sample size you are referencing there is Raoul and A Cooper, which served to make the team better in their respective seasons.

 

If a trade can make the team better for a post-season run I hope Beane pulls the trigger.  The Bills are close.  If mid-season a B Aiyuk/G Pickens/T Hill/ or AJ Brown would elevate the team for the stretch run - and possibly beyond- Beane should do it.

[Einstein's Dog]

  On 3/19/2025 at 1:09 PM, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Agreed. Do better in March so we aren't freaking out in October!

Expand  

So, who do you want?  It's March. 

 

The FA choices are A Cooper/S Diggs/D Johnson/K Allen/E Moore/T Lockett/B Cooks/N Algolor/M Gallop/R Woods

[FireChans]

  On 3/19/2025 at 1:31 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

So, who do you want?  It's March. 

 

The FA choices are A Cooper/S Diggs/D Johnson/K Allen/E Moore/T Lockett/B Cooks/N Algolor/M Gallop/R Woods

Expand  

The obvious answer was DK. But you know.

[Einstein's Dog]

  On 3/19/2025 at 2:13 PM, FireChans said:

The obvious answer was DK. But you know.

Expand  

Yeah, that still hurts.   If you look back that's an obvious one and even D Adams hurts for me.

 

When looking to the future though, I'm hoping they are not done because losing A Cooper and even Hollins is not made up for with J Palmer and Shenault IMO.  Unfortunately, I don't see an easy answer.

 

From here out, I think the big choices are among using one of the Bills top 3 picks at another attempt at WR, vs A Cooper, vs mid-season trade.  With the draft pick you shouldn't expect more than K Coleman level production for '25.  With A Cooper you have to deal with winning the bidding war and have to excuse the lack of production in '24 to some excuse.  And with a '25 midseason trade you don't know who will be available and it misses a third to half the season.

[BuffaloBillyG]

  On 3/19/2025 at 1:24 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

I would be open to a trade deadline move, especially if the WR room we have now is what we have for the '25 season (still have hope that maybe we can add A Coop).

 

Even in the small sample size you are referencing there is Raoul and A Cooper, which served to make the team better in their respective seasons.

 

If a trade can make the team better for a post-season run I hope Beane pulls the trigger.  The Bills are close.  If mid-season a B Aiyuk/G Pickens/T Hill/ or AJ Brown would elevate the team for the stretch run - and possibly beyond- Beane should do it.

Expand  

Yes, I did acknowledge the Rasul trade wasn't bad for the season it was made. He was great that year for us. I'd debate a bit more on the Cooper trade as while the price was right in we paid less than a million for him for the rest of the season, I don't think we got the value in the pick exchange. And I'll agree if a mega star like AJ Brown were available, sure maybe pull that trigger.

 

But the in season deals that Beane has made especially in offense have had the same underwhelming results. Often times with the player not even seeing the field on a full time basis. 

 

McDermott has alluded to it in the past and his actions have backed it. They don't like putting players on the field on offense that don't know the playbook and assignments well. They even seemingly refuse to draw up a smaller package of plays that the guy can run and use him that way (ala what SF did with McCaffrey the first few games he was there). Maybe for a guy like AJ Brown they would. Who knows. But based on past examples, they just don't get the "bang for the buck" that acquiring a mid season upgrade provides IMO. 

[Alphadawg7]

  On 3/19/2025 at 12:20 AM, Mister Defense said:

 

Cooper's production very likely was hampered by his injury, which one doctor said was so serious he should not play again last year.  We won't know this until we see Cooper play again next year, wherever that may be, or if at all.

 

I don't think he was a bust, and that even in his limited roll he helped the Bills win a few games that they otherwise may not have won.

 

1250 yards, with Watson and Flacco throwing to him in Cleveland in 2023.  Hard to imagine he fell off the cliff that quickly, but we'll see..

 

 

 

Expand  

He had a wrist injury…that didn’t hamper his effort and ability running routes.  And if you watch him on the field he didn’t look like the same guy that got hot with Flacco force feeding him targets.

 

And that is another issue with him his whole career.  When he isnt getting fed targets he isn’t playing in the same gear.  He just doesn’t bring the fire and focus every snap you want and expect to see from a WR of his caliber.  
 

And in an environment like ours where it’s everybody eats and he isn’t been fed consistently, his style gets more complacent…now add that to aging, where it takes a bigger commitment mentally and physically to be at the top of your game and you get even more inconsistent.
 

 
 

 

[JP51]

I was quite disappointed in him last year... he looked pretty much done... I am taking a pass here unless there was some injury that healed that was affecting him getting open.. I get the wrist.. but not sure what was wrong with his legs.. 

[jaybeezee]

Truth of the matter is he didn't want to be here. He used the wrist injury as a reason for his performance and  sandbagged it so he would be good ro go in FA. Beane backed him up, but both knew that he wouldn't be back. 

 

You will see Amari on a contending team after the draft. I liked him as a person, but not as a Bill. Nice guy but not interested in someone who's OK with not getting receptions.

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

  On 3/19/2025 at 5:19 PM, jaybeezee said:

Truth of the matter is he didn't want to be here. He used the wrist injury as a reason for his performance and  sandbagged it so he would be good ro go in FA. Beane backed him up, but both knew that he wouldn't be back. 

 

You will see Amari on a contending team after the draft. I liked him as a person, but not as a Bill. Nice guy but not interested in someone who's OK with not getting receptions.

 

Expand  

Truth based of what exactly? You have some kind of inside knowledge? 

 

I mean he literally said the opposite. Many times. Unprovoked. 

 

If you're going to throw it out there as it's a fact, back up the claim. 

[FireChans]

  On 3/20/2025 at 7:50 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

Truth based of what exactly? You have some kind of inside knowledge? 

 

I mean he literally said the opposite. Many times. Unprovoked. 

 

If you're going to throw it out there as it's a fact, back up the claim. 

Expand  

Also it's like the... worst FA strategy ever ha. Sandbagged and dogged it for FA?  Where he's ostensibly trying to get what might be the last contract of his career?

 

Even Stef knew to be a good soldier in Houston for a chance at one last payday.

[jaybeezee]

  On 3/20/2025 at 7:50 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

Truth based of what exactly? You have some kind of inside knowledge? 

 

I mean he literally said the opposite. Many times. Unprovoked. 

 

If you're going to throw it out there as it's a fact, back up the claim. 

Expand  

Truth will be just what I said in my second paragraph. He loved being here just because he had no pressure to get open. He had the second half of the season to basically heal up. Just because he was out there doesn't mean a thing.

Edited Friday at 12:49 PM by jaybeezee

[BuffaloBillyG]

  On 3/21/2025 at 12:47 PM, jaybeezee said:

Truth will be just what I said in my second paragraph. He loved being here just because he had no pressure to get open. He had the second half of the season to basically heal up. Just because he was out there doesn't mean a thing.

Expand  

"Truth" in this case is just your opinion. And a rather asinine one at that in my opinion.

 

"He had the second half of the season to heal up".

 

He had the chance to have surgery and heal up NOT risking having to get back on the field and making it worse....but passed to keep playing. Oh right, you said Beane just backed him up on whatever he said for...um...reasons. But hey, I suppose you know best. After all, since you KNOW this as a fact, I'm sure you saw Cooper's medical records and properly diagnosed that he didn't need surgery and that Cooper and Beane conspired to mislead everyone for chuckles. 

 

I'm willing to bet if I dig through the "Bills trade for Cooper" thread you were not in favor of it from the get go. 

[jaybeezee]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:27 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

"Truth" in this case is just your opinion. And a rather asinine one at that in my opinion.

 

"He had the second half of the season to heal up".

 

He had the chance to have surgery and heal up NOT risking having to get back on the field and making it worse....but passed to keep playing. Oh right, you said Beane just backed him up on whatever he said for...um...reasons. But hey, I suppose you know best. After all, since you KNOW this as a fact, I'm sure you saw Cooper's medical records and properly diagnosed that he didn't need surgery and that Cooper and Beane conspired to mislead everyone for chuckles. 

 

I'm willing to bet if I dig through the "Bills trade for Cooper" thread you were not in favor of it from the get go. 

Expand  

I was until he showed up and showed me nothing. I noticed you didn't respond to my quote about him signing with a contender. Don't you think if he really loved being here and Beane or Josh called him, he would've been resigned? I'm also willing to bet that the team he signs with is a contending team and he signs for the low.

 

 

[jaybeezee]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:27 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

"Truth" in this case is just your opinion. And a rather asinine one at that in my opinion.

 

"He had the second half of the season to heal up".

 

He had the chance to have surgery and heal up NOT risking having to get back on the field and making it worse....but passed to keep playing. Oh right, you said Beane just backed him up on whatever he said for...um...reasons. But hey, I suppose you know best. After all, since you KNOW this as a fact, I'm sure you saw Cooper's medical records and properly diagnosed that he didn't need surgery and that Cooper and Beane conspired to mislead everyone for chuckles. 

 

I'm willing to bet if I dig through the "Bills trade for Cooper" thread you were not in favor of it from the get go. 

Expand  

Your a fan of his and that's fine. Reality is, he's nothing close to what he once was. We wasted a 3rd rounder on him and that's a fact. 

 

Again, if Beane or Josh saw something in him and valued him, he'd already be resigned.

[Mr. WEO]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:27 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

"Truth" in this case is just your opinion. And a rather asinine one at that in my opinion.

 

"He had the second half of the season to heal up".

 

He had the chance to have surgery and heal up NOT risking having to get back on the field and making it worse....but passed to keep playing. Oh right, you said Beane just backed him up on whatever he said for...um...reasons. But hey, I suppose you know best. After all, since you KNOW this as a fact, I'm sure you saw Cooper's medical records and properly diagnosed that he didn't need surgery and that Cooper and Beane conspired to mislead everyone for chuckles. 

 

I'm willing to bet if I dig through the "Bills trade for Cooper" thread you were not in favor of it from the get go. 

Expand  

 

what surgery?  he's shopping himself to other teams now, not surgeons...

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:51 PM, jaybeezee said:

Your a fan of his and that's fine. Reality is, he's nothing close to what he once was. We wasted a 3rd rounder on him and that's a fact. 

 

Again, if Beane or Josh saw something in him and valued him, he'd already be resigned.

Expand  

 

In reality Amari won the lottery. Really big money. He hasn't told anyone yet but look at what went down last year and it fits. Pretty obvious. He played out his time here and then was done. he doesn't want anyone to know because they will start asking him for money for cars and bills, so he's might keep playing the part of an NFL players for a while longer. If you see him sign with a contender that's why. It's all a big front.

 

Anyone who disagrees with me is a homer and a fan

[Simon]

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:51 PM, jaybeezee said:

Again, if Beane or Josh saw something in him and valued him, he'd already be resigned.

Expand  

 

What did the Bills offer him?

[jaybeezee]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:07 PM, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

 

In reality Amari won the lottery. Really big money. He hasn't told anyone yet but look at what went down last year and it fits. Pretty obvious. He played out his time here and then was done. he doesn't want anyone to know because they will start asking him for money for cars and bills, so he's might keep playing the part of an NFL players for a while longer. If you see him sign with a contender that's why. It's all a big front.

 

Anyone who disagrees with me is a homer and a fan

Expand  

You have quite the imagination.  Please explain why he isn't a Bill right now. If this is the type of team he's dreamed of playing for and we value him, then why is he not signed.

 

It's because he either doesn't want to be here, or we don't want him. Could be both. If he doesn't receive any offers before traning camps start, he will probably retire

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:14 PM, jaybeezee said:

You have quite the imagination.  Please explain why he isn't a Bill right now. If this is the type of team he's dreamed of playing for and we value him, then why is he not signed.

 

It's because he either doesn't want to be here, or we don't want him. Could be both. If he doesn't receive any offers before traning camps start, he will probably retire

Expand  

 

Because he's mega rich now. But lots of family and friend baggage. Some Bills probably know. Ty Johnson signed for like 5 million dollars. Absolute peanuts compared to what Amari has now. Ty would probably ask him for help with his mortage and stuff. Coop don't want that, you saw how quiet and introspective he was. He's gotta keep moving.

 

If you see Cooper sign with another team this offseason it will prove what I'm saying. You can't deny this.

[jaybeezee]

  On 3/21/2025 at 2:18 PM, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

 

Because he's mega rich now. But lots of family and friend baggage. Some Bills probably know. Ty Johnson signed for like 5 million dollars. Absolute peanuts compared to what Amari has now. Ty would probably ask him for help with his mortage and stuff. Coop don't want that, you saw how quiet and introspective he was. He's gotta keep moving.

 

If you see Cooper sign with another team this offseason it will prove what I'm saying. You can't deny this.

Expand  

You ok buddy? Real question! Do we need to phone a family member to check in on you?