Kaiir Elam traded to Cowboys

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Call it like it is and its pretty evident a lot of what I complained about with Beane has cost us a Super Bowl.

 

Even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while

[Malazan]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I'd be looking to package two 5ths to move up into the 3rd round. The draft value chart says 109 + 170 + 173 would get us to 87. Then we'd still have a 4th, a 5th, and two 6ths.

I suspect the Bills will be trading up more than once

[davefan66]

Happy we were able to move on.  Happy for us and especially happy for Elam. Wish him luck that he finds his way.

[HappyDays]

33 minutes ago, Simon said:

In his last game he was an utterly scared, confused mess, which he wasn't as a rookie.

 

I don't know, for me he always kind of looked like he didn't belong out there. Going back to his very first preseason game where he had one nice pass breakup and the camera cut to McDermott on the sidelines clapping. Even on that pass breakup nothing about it looked natural, you could tell he was thinking through his coaching and not just playing. He made some plays in his limited snaps but he never looked comfortable out there. I think the NFL is just too fast for him and the development is never going to happen. I put the failure on the scouting, not the coaching. Beane got desperate for a CB and forced himself to see potential that wasn't there.

[CNYfan]

13 minutes ago, Steptide said:

This should be pretty fun come draft day

I anticipate that BBB will be moving around and that is a dynamic situation.   We may only have 1 or 2 of those come draft day, III.  

[gonzo1105]

So basically if you look at the picks and the trade charts , Elam was valued at a high to mid 6th rounder 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

5 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Think that was Dalton Kincaid

Could be wrong but I think we hopped Cowboys for both

[Logic]

I'm just sitting here thinking about the Cowboys trading a 4th for Jonathan Mingo and a 5th (albeit in a pick swap) for Kaiir Elam this year.

I generally favor giving a second chance to physically gifted, highly drafted players who flamed out with their first teams. But it seems like the Cowboys are giving up a bit too much in draft compensation to take those swings.

Ah well. The Bills benefit.

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't know, for me he always kind of looked like he didn't belong out there. Going back to his very first preseason game where he had one nice pass breakup and the camera cut to McDermott on the sidelines clapping. Even on that pass breakup nothing about it looked natural, you could tell he was thinking through his coaching and not just playing. He made some plays in his limited snaps but he never looked comfortable out there. I think the NFL is just too fast for him and the development is never going to happen. I put the failure on the scouting, not the coaching. Beane got desperate for a CB and forced himself to see potential that wasn't there.

 

I'm not saying he was great, or even a natural. But one thing that he wasn't was scared.

After 4 years of being repeatedly castrated by McDermott, he was absolutely terrified of his own shadow by the time he left here.

Maybe it was a poor pick as a result of failed scouting, but the Bills coaches did nothing but make the whole situation worse.

[GASabresIUFan]

Good luck Kaiir.  Hopefully Dallas is a better fit.

[Alphadawg7]

46 minutes ago, Magox said:

It just didn’t work out.

 

Needed a fresh start.

 

Should free up $2.7M

 

Good Job by Beane to get something for him

 

 

Agreed...still think he has potential, but it was clear it wasn't happening here in this scheme.  Good low risk, high reward move by Dallas while Bills still getting decent value back for a guy who hasn't done a whole lot yet.  

 

[Fan in Chicago]

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

So basically if you look at the picks and the trade charts , Elam was valued at a high to mid 6th rounder 

Which is what we spent on Benford. So at least we got one starting CB that year though the values on-field were flipped. 

Getting rid of Elam was not a surprise at all. I was expecting him to be cut due to lack of interest but I had forgotten about teams like the Cowboys

Edited 11 hours ago by Fan in Chicago

[Augie]

Sorry if I missed it, but how much does this affect the cap? 

 

EDIT: it just posted above. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Augie

[Sharky7337]

How did we not get Parsons in return for this ?

 

 

[HIT BY SPIKES]

3 minutes ago, Malazan said:

I suspect the Bills will be trading up more than once

I agree.

 

Ideally, if we could package our 1st round pick along with our 4th round picks and our 5th round picks in series of trades so we end up with 4 2nd round picks, Beane would be a hero since this is projected to be a very deep and value laden 2nd round.

 

Scoring a starter for each of our lines, a starting WR and a starting DB all in the 2nd round would be a dream draft.

[Dan Darragh]

The final negotiation point before the deal was finalized was which team would pay his airfare.

[Albany,n.y.]

I guess that means that we weren't planning on picking up his 5th year option. 😄

[WotAGuy]

Beane gonna have a hard time finding someone who loves 4th and 5th rounders as much as him if he plans to move up at all. 

[HappyDays]

41 minutes ago, Steptide said:

What an absolute bust. Honestly may be one of the worst 1st round picks ever 

 

Every franchise has an Elam level bust at least once in the last 5 years. It's disappointing but not crippling. It does become a real problem if you stack consecutive 1st round busts. We need a lot more from Kincaid and Coleman starting this year. If those two bust right after Elam then Beane will have some very difficult questions to answer.

[Sharky7337]

2 minutes ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

I agree.

 

Ideally, if we could package our 1st round pick along with our 4th round picks and our 5th round picks in series of trades so we end up with 4 2nd round picks, Beane would be a hero since this is projected to be a very deep and value laden 2nd round.

 

Scoring a starter for each of our lines, a starting WR and a starting DB all in the 2nd round would be a dream draft.

I dunno if you noticed our gm does better in late rounds so I hope he doesn't lol