BearNorth Posted March 13 Posted March 13 didn't this guy play in the same defensive backfield as Sauce Gardner? 3 Quote
Beck Water Posted March 13 Posted March 13 22 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Most likely a STer My assessment, though he did start some games in his 2nd and 3rd years. 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 19 hours ago, first_and_ten said: If he can't beat out Hamlin, he just not very good Hamlin runs a 4.63 40. Forrest owns a 4.42 40. 1 1 Quote
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13 Posted March 13 2 hours ago, BearNorth said: didn't this guy play in the same defensive backfield as Sauce Gardner? They crossed over 2 years Quote
Simon Posted March 13 Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Beck Water said: My assessment, though he did start some games in his 2nd and 3rd years. He became the established starter midway into his 2nd season and played 100% of their defensive snaps for nearly a year until he broke his shoulder late in a game in the middle of his 3rd season. When he did become a starter in that 2nd season they immediately removed him from ST's and he only played a total of 6 ST snaps throughout that next calendar year. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/ForrDa00/gamelog/2022/ https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/ForrDa00/gamelog/2023/ 1 1 Quote
YoloinOhio Posted March 13 Posted March 13 2 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: Hamlin runs a 4.63 40. Forrest owns a 4.42 40. Dang finally a safety who isn’t going to look like he’s running in quicksand 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dang finally a safety who isn’t going to look like he’s running in quicksand Bishop doesn't have bad speed either. He ran like a 4.45 at the combine. The bills could field 2 safeties in 2025 with sub 4.5 speed compared with 4.63 and 4.7 last season. I know speed is far from the only trait that makes a good safety, but there are times when the lack of it became painful to watch last season. Quote
Beck Water Posted March 13 Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Simon said: He became the established starter midway into his 2nd season and played 100% of their defensive snaps for nearly a year until he broke his shoulder late in a game in the middle of his 3rd season. When he did become a starter in that 2nd season they immediately removed him from ST's and he only played a total of 6 ST snaps throughout that next calendar year. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/ForrDa00/gamelog/2022/ https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/ForrDa00/gamelog/2023/ Didn't know the shoulder injury was why he lost the starting job - thanks for the insight Thing is, he didn't earn it back in 2024, and reverted to being primarily a STer. Any insight as to why? Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 13 Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Didn't know the shoulder injury was why he lost the starting job - thanks for the insight Thing is, he didn't earn it back in 2024, and reverted to being primarily a STer. Any insight as to why? They drafted a S in the 2nd round in 2023 and got Jeremy Chinn in FA in 2024. He was odd man out with the new HC/DC. 1 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Beane needs to bring in a few(or more) of these change-of-scenery types and hopefully one of them hits and they find a cheap starter or better. Free agency has been by far Beane's biggest weakness and this is one category where he's never really gotten much of anything. If memory serves correct, Ty Johnson is about the only cheap/talented but never-was-at-prior-stops types he has found in pro personnel in his prior 7 offseasons. 1 Quote
Simon Posted March 13 Posted March 13 17 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Didn't know the shoulder injury was why he lost the starting job - thanks for the insight Thing is, he didn't earn it back in 2024, and reverted to being primarily a STer. Any insight as to why? Probably a combination of two things. A new coaching staff who brought their own safety that took Forrest's spot. And he tweaked a hamstring in camp and was inactive the first four weeks so probably never had a real chance to compete for his position. Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: Beane needs to bring in a few(or more) of these change-of-scenery types and hopefully one of them hits and they find a cheap starter or better. Free agency has been by far Beane's biggest weakness and this is one category where he's never really gotten much of anything. If memory serves correct, Ty Johnson is about the only cheap/talented but never-was-at-prior-stops types he has found in pro personnel in his prior 7 offseasons. I'd say on a lower buy basis (avoiding guys like morse/brown/bease/sanders), and not counting any UDFAs (which are pure value because they're the cheapest players in the league)- some of the examples that come to mind as relative successes: David Edwards Taylor Rapp Daryl Williams Jon Feliciano Quinton Spain Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Posted March 13 41 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Didn't know the shoulder injury was why he lost the starting job - thanks for the insight Thing is, he didn't earn it back in 2024, and reverted to being primarily a STer. Any insight as to why? Coaching change 1 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted March 13 Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I'd say on a lower buy basis (avoiding guys like morse/brown/bease/sanders), and not counting any UDFAs (which are pure value because they're the cheapest players in the league)- some of the examples that come to mind as relative successes: David Edwards Taylor Rapp Daryl Williams Jon Feliciano Quinton Spain Yeah but those were all very established players over multiple years prior. Edwards was a 3+ year starter in LA and Rapp started at safety on their SB winning team. Daryl Williams was literally an All-Pro tackle with Carolina. Feliciano isn't in that category, he signed a low end starters deal by 2019 standard so not really a flyer. Spain had been a full time starter for the 3 years prior(he just wasn't in demand for character reasons which became evident just months after the Bills re-signed him the following offseason, unfortunately). So Beane has hit on a few of his injury/character flyers. But none of those were in the never-was-prior category. Like a Tyrod or Lorenzo Alexander in 2015, for instance. Finding talent that flourishes where it hadn't/couldn't elsewhere. I don't expect Pro Bowl and NFL DPOY contender type performances like Tyrod and Lorax had but one starter would be a start at least. Forrest only started for a partial season prior so I would put him in that category of found talent in the event that he pans out. Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 13 Posted March 13 4 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: Hamlin runs a 4.63 40. Forrest owns a 4.42 40. 4.63 is pretty generous too. 1 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13 Posted March 13 17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah but those were all very established players over multiple years prior. Edwards was a 3+ year starter in LA and Rapp started at safety on their SB winning team. Daryl Williams was literally an All-Pro tackle with Carolina. Feliciano isn't in that category, he signed a low end starters deal by 2019 standard so not really a flyer. Spain had been a full time starter for the 3 years prior(he just wasn't in demand for character reasons which became evident just months after the Bills re-signed him the following offseason, unfortunately). So Beane has hit on a few of his injury/character flyers. But none of those were in the never-was-prior category. Like a Tyrod or Lorenzo Alexander in 2015, for instance. Finding talent that flourishes where it hadn't/couldn't elsewhere. I don't expect Pro Bowl and NFL DPOY contender type performances like Tyrod and Lorax had but one starter would be a start at least. Forrest only started for a partial season prior so I would put him in that category of found talent in the event that he pans out. Its tough to find those players. If the player was good - they're probably not a free agent at all, let alone at a young age. The league tends to give more chances to players like an Elam because of draft pedigree, and you realistically only have a 4 year window to make an impact before you're obselete. The league brings in 100s of new players every season, which just makes back of roster battles that much more difficult. You hit free agency and its like every team has a young safety, or pass rusher, or whatever - and the draft coming up. Usually the ones that do have a 2nd half of a career do so by being involved with special teams. Justin Watson, Mack Hollins, or Kalif Raymond for example. Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Posted March 13 He reminds me so much of a bigger/Faster Hyde and Poyer. If this kid is 100% healthy, we may have found a steal. 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Dang finally a safety who isn’t going to look like he’s running in quicksand This is why i can see more than a few Safety Packages in the play books on most game day. These four offer different skill sets nearly. Might be fun to watch. And I see this group as a positive for this coming year even with our Mates concerned about Damar's speed etc. Bills might to be looking to draft one or two more mid or late to sit or PS. Looking forward to see how these four shake it in spring etc Go Bills Quote
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