Oliver restructured- cap space freed up

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

 

My guy. Being over the cap happens because of contracts you've already signed, and players whom you've already got value out of. It is paying the bills. You can't spend more until you pay them. It's literally paying for players.

Ok. Let's say we have $5 or $6 million in cap space. If he opens $15 million on ONE restructure, you would think he is trying to get Benford done or getting another big name guy, correct? Considering this would be $21 million now in cap space. If all he does out of that is sign 3 special teamers that take up $1 or $2 million in cap space, and we still have $14 or $15 million left over, it's kind of a waste is what I am saying. He does this frequently 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Ok. Let's say we have $5 or $6 million in cap space. If he opens $15 million on ONE restructure, you would think he is trying to get Benford done or getting another big name guy, correct? Considering this would be $21 million now in cap space. If all he does out of that is sign 3 special teamers that take up $1 or $2 million in cap space, and we still have $14 or $15 million left over, it's kind of a waste is what I am saying. He does this frequently 

 

When lol? When have we begun a season with 15 million open? Bro this is make-believe land we're in. This hasn't happened.

[BuffaloMatt]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

That means we're getting Asante Samuel Jr.

I'd love that. 

[TBBills Fan]

When do we know where we are at with cap space? Im guessing we should know soon, isn't the new league year today?

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Not what I meant. We have until September when the season starts of course he is gonna sign players. I'm talking about the amount restructured compared to what or how many players are signed and what is left over. But this is all going over your heads so I will let it go

This restructure was likely planned weeks, days, or even hours before its announcement to facilitate the moves already made. The sequence of events doesn’t necessarily have to be linear—some moves can be made in anticipation of the restructure, while others can follow once it's in place. Whether it was written down on paper, in Beane's head, or officially with the league office, it was all part of the broader plan.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by JGMcD2

[ColoradoBills]

28 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

This restructure was likely planned weeks, days, or even hours before its announcement to facilitate the moves already made. The sequence of events doesn’t necessarily have to be linear—some moves can be made in anticipation of the restructure, while others can follow once it's in place. Whether it was written down on paper, in Beane's head, or officially with the league office, it was all part of the broader plan.

 

 

Of course.  Just like they knew they'd be taking and adjustment hit of $7M for Von's sacks.

[Captain Hindsight]

When they restructure contracts like this, does the player sign it? Or is just a contract lever the team can pull?

[saundena]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

When they restructure contracts like this, does the player sign it? Or is just a contract lever the team can pull?

 

I've always wondered that too.

[Warriorspikes51]

8 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

When they restructure contracts like this, does the player sign it? Or is just a contract lever the team can pull?

lever  99% sure

[ColoradoBills]

23 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

When they restructure contracts like this, does the player sign it? Or is just a contract lever the team can pull?

 

20 minutes ago, saundena said:

 

I've always wondered that too.

 

15 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

lever  99% sure

 

From Google AI.

In most cases, NFL teams can initiate a simple contract restructure, converting salary to a signing bonus, without the player's explicit agreement, as the player doesn't typically lose any money, but may need a player's consent for renegotiation or "maximum restructures". 

 

Here's a more detailed explanation:

Unilateral Restructures:

Teams often have the ability to unilaterally execute simple restructures, which involve converting part of a player's base salary to a signing bonus. 

Player Consent:

While teams can execute simple restructures without asking the player, a maximum restructure typically involves a renegotiation of the contract and requires the player's consent. 

Why Players Typically Agree:

Restructures usually don't result in a player earning less money; they're an accounting maneuver that helps the team manage its salary cap by spreading payments over the remaining contract years. 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

That means we're getting Asante Samuel Jr.

 

It's quite possible it was just to do things we've already done.

 

We were over the cap coming in. We did the Josh extension which saved us probably around 11.8m. The Rousseau extension saved us 9.8m. The Von release saved us 8.4m The Oliver restructure saved us 10m. The Sam Martin release saved 2m. The Elam trade saved us 2.5m. And the Shakir and Bernard extensions saved us about 2m combined.

 

So all of that probably put us around or just above 40m under the cap.

 

But then we signed Joey Bosa, Josh Palmer, Larry Ogunjobi, Michael Hoecht, and Darrick Forrest. And re-signed Ty Johnson, Reggie Gilliam, Damar Hamlin, Ryan Vandemark, Alec Anderson, and Reid Ferguson.

 

Without knowing the exact terms of how much we saved and how much the cap hits in are for each of them in Year 1 (or total for the 1 year contracts) - we probably don't have a *ton* of space left, even with the Oliver restructure. But maybe we do. EIther option wouldn't surprise me.

 

That said, there are other things that we could do to save more. A McGovern extension could save 4.2m. A Dion Dawkins restructure could save us another 9.8m. And a Dawson Knox restructure could save us another 6.3m. But as we've seen in the past, just because he can pull all those levers doesn't mean that he'll do them all.

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFanForever19

[first_and_ten]

5 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't know. Beane is the king of restructuring deals and doing nothing with the money

 

You mean you don't like the Forrest signing?

[billsfan89]

5 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Hmm not happy to hear this. Beane doesn't restructure if he doesn't need to, and I was hoping that we could fit all players announced up to this point (including Bosa and Larry O) under cap thanks to Allen extension (which I guess lowers his cap hit by $20 or so million).

 

It seems that I was either wrong or he is signing another player.

 

Bills don't like to restructure older players or players coming off of injuries. Ed will be 28 later this season and doesn't have a major injury history. Seems like a good bet for a restructure. The Bills have some other levers to pull to open up cap space. Knox, Milano, and Dawkins all could have their deals reworked and McGovern could be extended. 

 

I think they will pull the lever on Dawkins and possibly rework Knox's deal, I think with Milano they leave it be while also McGovern might get extended. I think the Bills will be fine cap wise they should have space to make a upper mid-level or lower type move at least.

[RiotAct]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

No, sorry didn’t mean to get you excited like that. Was for White is for Elam.

a few hours later… from my lips to Beane and Jerruh’s ears!!!

[HerdMenatlity1]

6 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Tons. I don't have them all in front of me. But there have been many times where we have restructured deals to open up cap space and people would say "oh, there's gotta be another signing coming" or "oh, they must be trying to resign this player" and very rarely happens. Most times they were just trying to become cap compliant

Very convincing examples. 😂

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

58 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

a few hours later… from my lips to Beane and Jerruh’s ears!!!

 

We talked it into existence 😀

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, Magox said:

 

You don't need space to extend Cook or Benford, in fact extending either one of them frees up cap space for 2025.

Are you sure about that? Isn’t it dependent on their original cap hit?

 

Like Rousseau, sure, because we get to spread around his fifth year option cap hit. Or other high salaried players. But the low guys? Not sure.

 

Anyway, on topic fine sure whatever, but now we are even further tied to Ed Oliver, a guy who is just “good” at best. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

I'm at the point I don't care about cap space.  Beane and Co. Have that under control.  I just want to win.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

So from my calculations, the Bills will need roughly 3.5 million to sign the rookie class over the summer. 
 

I am not sure where things stand now but it has to be getting close;

 

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