Beane is the MVP

[Low Positive]

Most valuable punching bag?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Lol

 

Lol even 

[billsfan89]

5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I don’t think we are a playoff team if you replace Allen with a QB in the 15-25 range in the league. So it’s sort of hard to get on this Beane is a witch fanboy club. We are completely deprived of top talent outside of Allen. That’s on him. 

 

This team went 9-7 with Tyrod at QB. The team has a decent amount of talent outside of Josh. The team boasts a top 5 offensive line, a top 5-7 RB core, a top 5-7 TE combo, and an at worst above average defense. Yeah the defense could use a few more pieces and the WR core might need a piece but to act like if you put Sam Darnold on this team instead of Josh they would go 5-12 is just dishonest. 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

This team went 9-7 with Tyrod at QB. The team has a decent amount of talent outside of Josh. The team boasts a top 5 offensive line, a top 5-7 RB core, a top 5-7 TE combo, and an at worst above average defense. Yeah the defense could use a few more pieces and the WR core might need a piece but to act like if you put Sam Darnold on this team instead of Josh they would go 5-12 is just dishonest. 

We have a losing record without Josh Allen. We had a bottom 30 EPA defense without turnovers. Sean is what drives turnovers. He always has. The offensive line is good. Cook is good. Everything else is at best a B grade. We aren’t making the playoffs with Sam Darnold. No way in hell. 

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Most GM's take Rosen there.  Taking Allen out of the picture is a dishonest assessment imo.

 

I don't take Allen out of the picture.  Overall, I think Beane is a good GM who built a good roster that includes an MVP QB. 

 

But it's not a Lombardi-quality roster.  And getting the Josh pick right just means he got the pick right.  It doesn't mean Beane's some kind of QB-whispering, sixth-sense, personnel guru who sees things in players that other  GMs can't see.  In the Josh case, he did his due diligence and placed a bet that Josh was the most likely destined for greatness.  I'm thrilled he won that bet.  

 

Let's recall that while more people on this board probably wanted the other Josh, there were people here who wanted Allen.  Beane wasn't the only one who was smart enough to want him.

 

Every pick is a probability.  None is a certainty.   You hope your scouts do good work and evaluate the odds correctly so you can win more than you lose.  Beane won on the Allen pick.  He lost on Elam and others.  We're lucky he won on the more important one.  

[todd]

3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

And we're doing the same this year. I'm not sure what point you're making. We need a major influx of talent if the goal is to realistically compete for a Super Bowl. If the goal is to just make the playoffs and lose, then by all means run it back.

Then what was your plan? What would you do better? Let’s be realistic here, too, if you are capable?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Based upon the haul that we've had so far, this are my expectations with the end goal of winning a championship:

 

1. Drafting for a WR1 and the secondary, don't reach and draft the best available if needed

2. Top 10 in total defense

3. +10 increase in sacks

4. -10 to 15 decrease in penalties

 

I think we are looking good with a Ray Davis/Ty Johnson 1-2 punch and I think we can find a home for Cook and leverage some more draft capital, because I personally think like John Gruden that we hit a home run with Ray Davis.

 

 

 

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

This team went 9-7 with Tyrod at QB. The team has a decent amount of talent outside of Josh. The team boasts a top 5 offensive line, a top 5-7 RB core, a top 5-7 TE combo, and an at worst above average defense. Yeah the defense could use a few more pieces and the WR core might need a piece but to act like if you put Sam Darnold on this team instead of Josh they would go 5-12 is just dishonest. 

Sam is decent now.  How do we look with Mitch T?  Not good.

 

I dont know where you're getting 5-7 for TE's.  Maybe.  Also maybe bottom 5.  I don't think we know Kincaid enough yet.  Last season he was meh though apparently hurt.

[Chandler#81]

Hey Brandon, what’s cookin’?

 

[FireChans]

The bar is on the floor for Brandon Beane.

 

he extends players, cuts players, and restructures players to create more cap room. What a wizard. 
 

Every GM whose owner is willing to spend money does this. Every single one. 
 

The reason the Bills used to never do this was because of Ralph Wilson, not their old GM’s. 
 

The biggest monetary addition of the FA period was Josh Palmer. That ain’t wizardry.

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Beane badly needs to nail these signings to show he has improved wrt pro personnel decisions.   If this class is a bust.........I gotta' say it........it's a fireable offense.   And I am far from his biggest critic.   I thought he was getting wiser but this class looks like a big investment in a bunch of guys who all need to be better than they were last year to justify.   It's hard to get *same* results but paying money that clearly anticipates BETTER production is not a formula for success in FA.

 

He's laid out a lot of money for Palmer, Hoecht, Bosa and Ogunjobi.   Probably, collectively, double the aav they were expected to get on the market and that impacts future caps even though some people can't grasp the idea because they are fooled by the "1 year deal" aspect.   Cap money spent now is cap money that could have been rolled over and therefore it is less that can be spent later.

 

That's why Beane's horrendous 2018 spending spree limited his flexibility in the early 2020's.  It wasn't the covid year cap reduction that people tried to blame.   Every team had to deal with that and contract values were depressed commensurately.  It was horrendous signings like giving Star Lotuelei a 5 year $50M deal........and eventually paying out over $40M of that for 2 and a half seasons of mediocrity.......when Star was projected to get a 1 year $4M deal after a bad year in Carolina.  That 2018 class was over $100M invested in garbage at a time when the cap was just $177M.

 

Beane doesn't have a good track record with these type of deals that look like over-pays.   I'm quite surprised he's put his neck out there like this for this group.   So they'd better hit.🤞

Yeah I found the Hoecht and Palmer deals particularly bizarre.

 

usually if you are dumpster diving for boom or bust guys, you at least get them at a discount?

[warrior9]

8 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

"A+" would be building the best roster in the league, something he's never accomplished and is unlikely to accomplish this season.

 

Remember, the Bills were $15M over the cap because of Beane's past decisions.  We could have been chasing bigger names and better talents if he had managed the cap better in previous years.  

 

I'm not giving Beane an "F" by any means.  But he's got a lot more to do before I award him an "A+."

False... 2021 was the best roster in the league. 

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

We have a losing record without Josh Allen. We had a bottom 30 EPA defense without turnovers. Sean is what drives turnovers. He always has. The offensive line is good. Cook is good. Everything else is at best a B grade. We aren’t making the playoffs with Sam Darnold. No way in hell. 

 

"Losing Record Without Josh" is just you trying to find a problem where there isn't one. Josh has since his rookie year played every single game. Yeah in his rookie season they have a losing record without him. You are just cherry picking an insanely small sample size that makes no sense. Taking out turnovers is insane, the Bills had a defense that made big plays, doesn't seem like a negative. 

 

If this team had Sam Darnold plus 20-30 million more in cap space to get a couple of extra pieces this team may not make the playoffs but I think they would win at least 9 games. Certainly even if you factored out the cap space I think this team with an average starter would win at least 8 games. 

 

Josh helps a lot but this team wouldn't win more than 8-9 games if the supporting cast was a 4-5 win team.

[Buffalo Ballin]

Josh Allen is the MVP.

 

Can we make a return to the AFC Title game? Let's see.

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

"Losing Record Without Josh" is just you trying to find a problem where there isn't one. Josh has since his rookie year played every single game. Yeah in his rookie season they have a losing record without him. You are just cherry picking an insanely small sample size that makes no sense. Taking out turnovers is insane, the Bills had a defense that made big plays, doesn't seem like a negative. 

 

If this team had Sam Darnold plus 20-30 million more in cap space to get a couple of extra pieces this team may not make the playoffs but I think they would win at least 9 games. Certainly even if you factored out the cap space I think this team with an average starter would win at least 8 games. 

 

Josh helps a lot but this team wouldn't win more than 8-9 games if the supporting cast was a 4-5 win team.

You said we went 9-7 with Tyrod Taylor. I included that sample along with even more games. But I’m the one who is cherry picking and using a small sample?  😂

[Warriorspikes51]

10 hours ago, Billsfed1 said:

Considering the Bills were like 15 mil over the cap a couple weeks ago despite the cap increase, it’s nothing short of incredible what he’s pulled off here.

 

To completely retain AND rebuild the team in 1 offseason almost seems impossible but somehow or another he’s managed. 

 

If this isn’t A+ for a manager…I don’t know what is.

 

Mrs. Beane is that you? We’re all so proud of Brandon

[billsfan89]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

You said we went 9-7 with Tyrod Taylor. I included that sample along with even more games. But I’m the one who is cherry picking and using a small sample?  😂

 

From 2017 and the 5 games in 2018 without Josh the Bills have a 10-11 record (10-12 if you include the playoff game). Despite taking an enormous amount of dead cap in both seasons to clear the books of a lot of the Rex Ryan era bad contracts. A game or two below .500 in those circumstances seems to go against your argument. The first year McBeane took over they broke a 17 season playoff drought. But in year two they went 1-4 without their rookie QB on a roster that was clearing cap space so they are bad.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

From 2017 and the 5 games in 2018 without Josh the Bills have a 10-11 record (10-12 if you include the playoff game). Despite taking an enormous amount of dead cap in both seasons to clear the books of a lot of the Rex Ryan era bad contracts. A game or two below .500 in those circumstances seems to go against your argument. The first year McBeane took over they broke a 17 season playoff drought. But in year two they went 1-4 without their rookie QB on a roster that was clearing cap space so they are bad.

So you give credit to Beane for the first year roster he took over? Thats an interesting POV. 

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I don’t think we are a playoff team if you replace Allen with a QB in the 15-25 range in the league. So it’s sort of hard to get on this Beane is a witch fanboy club. We are completely deprived of top talent outside of Allen. That’s on him. 

Flawed argument though. Without Josh where are we picking in the draft each year? 14ish is a lot easier to nail draft than 29-30th.

 

Obviously nobody is trading Josh to move up 10-20 slots in a draft class, but it's not an apples to apples comparison like you're suggesting.

[billsfan89]

39 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

So you give credit to Beane for the first year roster he took over? Thats an interesting POV. 

 

I'm giving credit to the entire brain trust that's put together a good roster prior to Josh and around Josh. Could it be better in some respects? Yes. But it this a 5 win team without Josh? No. I also think you craft a different roster when you draft in the mid 20's and lower year after year while also having a big chunk of your cap occupied by a QB contract. 

9 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Flawed argument though. Without Josh where are we picking in the draft each year? 14ish is a lot easier to nail draft than 29-30th.

 

Obviously nobody is trading Josh to move up 10-20 slots in a draft class, but it's not an apples to apples comparison like you're suggesting.

 

Without Josh this team also has a lot more cap space to spread around. When you have a QB on a massive contract that changes the complexion of the roster because Josh's 40-50 million cap number is a number that can produce 3-5 starters. Then of course you have the multiplier impact of drafting lower. 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Let's recall that while more people on this board probably wanted the other Josh, there were people here who wanted Allen.  Beane wasn't the only one who was smart enough to want him.

 

Every pick is a probability.  None is a certainty.   You hope your scouts do good work and evaluate the odds correctly so you can win more than you lose.  Beane won on the Allen pick.  He lost on Elam and others.  We're lucky he won on the more important one.  

Yeah.  I misread what you said.  Sorry.  I've always been a bigger McDermott apologist than a Beane one so this is kind of an awkward spot for me.  His two best and franchise altering moves were drafting Allen and trading for Diggs.  My main complaint hasn't really been his drafting because it's largely a crapshoot.  I mean even Howie Roseman picked Jahlen Reagor one pick ahead of Justin Jefferson.  It's Beane's refusal since 2021 to seriously address the WR position and then trying to sell us on that "everybody eats" concept because he made the mistake of extending Diggs.  Sticking with Davis as the WR2 role for two years.  Not signing Hopkins a few years ago.  Not taking at least two WR's in a WR rich draft last year.  Even this year not trading for Metcalf when it absolutely would've been worth it for just a 2nd and a 5th maybe?