Buffalo716 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: lmao Just a coincidence that a Bucs team that had gone 5-11, 5-11 and 7-9 the three years prior ended up with 11 wins, 3 playoff wins, and a Superbowl trophy after signing the best QB of all time. You don't even believe the stuff you argue. One day its "McD is doing his best getting production out of late rounders but Beane needs to do better." The next day, it's "this is a top 7 roster without Josh." Comical honestly. New England imploded into garbage immediately after Brady left. The Bucs win the Superbowl and make the playoffs for the first time since 2007 after signing Brady and its a "stacked team" lol. You literally take what I say out of context LMAO Everybody knows you're only here to argue I said Beane needs to give McDermott more for his defense to be consistently elite... that he hasn't gotten enough to build a top defense consistently... Our free agent acquisitions have been meh Some of our draft picks have been meh He's hit on a lot of good to really good not a lot of elite players That does not mean that we're a roster devoid of talent .. and that were only winning because of Josh Allen We could be a top 10 roster... Brandon Beane could still need to be better and Josh Allen can be amazing all the same time thanks for playing There's a lot of good and really good football players on the team.. you cry because we don't have seven Hall of famers That doesn't mean we're devoid of talent... And McDermott does develop players at a better rate than 90% of the NFL Edited March 14 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
FireChans Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Just now, Buffalo716 said: You literally take what I say out of context LMAO Everybody knows you're only here to argue I said Beane needs to give McDermott more for his defense to be successful.. that he hasn't gotten enough to build an elite defense... Our free agent acquisitions have been meh Some of our draft picks have been meh He's hit on a lot of good to really good not a lot of elite players That does not mean that we're a roster devoid of talent .. and that were only winning because of Josh Allen We could be a top 10 roster... Brandon Beane could still need to be better and Josh Allen can be amazing all the same time thanks for playing Things you believe are coincidences NE dominating the division with the best QB in football and clearly the best QB in the division NE falling apart after losing that QB Buffalo dominating the division with the best QB in football and clearly the best QB in the division NE's former QB who won 6 SB's going to a team that had missed the postseason for 13 years straight and immediately making the playoffs every year, winning a Super Bowl, and winning their division 2/3 years Just a big ol funky coinkydink. Really the secret sauce is the elite GM's. lol. Lmao even. Quote
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Until they can at bare minimum make a SB with Josh Allen at qb this GM is the master of high pick failures and overpaid FAs and get lucky in the 5th round to find someone that can actually play. Our coach is currently the King of playoff failure and the brain behind the every year failures of our defense. I actually think the SB years were much better, but I'm old so there is that. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: You don't think Bill belichick had amazing defenses around Tom Brady for 20 years? Statistically Tom Brady played with the most top five and top 10 defenses of any quarterback in the last 30 years Tom Brady is great and Bill belichick has always been a defensive Mastermind who eventually the game did catch up to like it does with everybody Bill Belichick immediately after Brady left 7-9 3rd in AFCE missed playoffs 10-7 2nd in AFCE (mortified in the postseason by Josh Allen) 8-9 3rd in AFCE missed playoffs 4-13 4th in AFCE missed playoffs, fired Like I said. You believe thats a coincidence. The Pats hadn't had a season without double digit wins since 2002. Brady leaves, and it's 3 out of their next 4? The Pats had missed the postseason once with a healthy Brady from 2001 to 2019. Brady leaves and its 3 out of their next 4? GIGANTIC COINCIDENCE. 1 Quote
Gunsgoodtime Posted March 14 Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Bill Belichick immediately after Brady left 7-9 3rd in AFCE missed playoffs 10-7 2nd in AFCE (mortified in the postseason by Josh Allen) 8-9 3rd in AFCE missed playoffs 4-13 4th in AFCE missed playoffs, fired Like I said. You believe thats a coincidence. The Pats hadn't had a season without double digit wins since 2002. Brady leaves, and it's 3 out of their next 4? The Pats had missed the postseason once with a healthy Brady from 2001 to 2019. Brady leaves and its 3 out of their next 4? GIGANTIC COINCIDENCE. Its pretty obvious, you waste our QBs best years with overpaying wrs that make no difference and not signing guys much cheaper that did. Makes no sense he values the wr position so badly. He got Diggs and traded our top pick, we knew what we were getting, Beane has done nothing on either side of the ball since Josh Allen that mattered, we just paid Shakir 15m per, a reciever that had worse stats than one we let go for 4m for 12m. Paid a boatload of money for a LB that is very much not worth the price, I could go on but blah. I guess we disagree about Beane the wizard, the guy that was celebrated for trading Elam away for a 5th, 7th, swap 6 exchange from the Bills, basically nothing but the cap savings. Not only did Beane use a 1st to draft him, he also used other picks to move up to get Elam after the panic move 9f KC drafting Mcduffie right in front of them 1 1 Quote
Einstein Posted March 14 Posted March 14 3 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: You said "40% of Beane’s first round picks aren’t even on the team anymore," which (let me do some quick calculating here...) would mean that 60% are on the team. The article says that 43% is average. But, if you look at the article, the positions that they have targeted in the first round would have an even lower average than that. Math Guess I have to hold your hand and walk you through this. The study *you* linked looked at players already cut or players who were up for a second contract. It was looking at players who didn’t receive a second contract. In other words, you can’t count players a GM drafts last year, because the “hit” rate would be 100%. No-one let’s go of a player one year after drafting them. The 40% number listed was all non-Allen draft picks. Not “hit” percentage. By your studies metric, Beane’s non-Allen hit” rate is 33%. Which, let me do some quick calculating here, would mean that Beane is below average. math Quote
Rocky Landing Posted March 14 Posted March 14 17 minutes ago, Einstein said: Guess I have to hold your hand and walk you through this. The study *you* linked looked at players already cut or players who were up for a second contract. It was looking at players who didn’t receive a second contract. In other words, you can’t count players a GM drafts last year, because the “hit” rate would be 100%. No-one let’s go of a player one year after drafting them. The 40% number listed was all non-Allen draft picks. Not “hit” percentage. By your studies metric, Beane’s non-Allen hit” rate is 33%. Which, let me do some quick calculating here, would mean that Beane is below average. math Math, indeed. Not really sure where you came up with 33%. Of the five first-round, non-Allen picks Beane has made, three of them are still on the team. Two (Groot and Oliver) have signed contract extensions. Two (Edmunds, and Elam) are gone. Kincaid wouldn't really work into that study. He's not a player who "didn't re-up with their drafting team," as he's only been in the league two years. And of course, we didn't have a first round pick last year. Be that as it may, your original point that Beane's first round draft record supports the notion that Beane would be fired, were it not for Allen, is nonsense. Of Beane's five first round picks not named Allen, only one of them (Elam) could really be considered a bust. Edmunds left the Bills, and signed a $72M contract with the Bears. Although, I suppose if Beane hadn't drafted Allen, and instead gone for "Right Josh" Rosen, he might have been shown the door not long after. But, he didn't, did he? 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Thread like this can reveal a lot about each poster who contributes. OP without nuance will invite the binary brigade to crusade for their integer, especially when declaring triumphantly that Beane's offseason is already a 1 out of 1. Team 0 can't abide. 1 1 Quote
NewEra Posted March 14 Posted March 14 4 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Thread like this can reveal a lot about each poster who contributes. OP without nuance will invite the binary brigade to crusade for their integer, especially when declaring triumphantly that Beane's offseason is already a 1 out of 1. Team 0 can't abide. I was just about the write something similar. Thanks for saving me some time. 1 Quote
mbowman14 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 (edited) 9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Because the narrative preseason was that we were going to be bad... We got rid of diggs.. the media tried calling it a rebuilding year So it makes Josh Allen look better when we were good But anybody with eyes know we were going to be good and we absolutely have a top seven or eight roster in the NFL It's not like Josh is carrying the 17th place roster.. he's the MVP on the 7th best roster And because he played at an ultra-elite level in victories against the league’s two best teams in the most watched, hyped games of the regular season. Edited March 14 by mbowman14 Quote
BobbyC81 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 On 3/12/2025 at 8:29 AM, BuffaloBillyG said: Jim Overdorff likely deserves some credit here. By my understanding, he's the one that handles contracts and salary cap. In any event the Bills have done just what teams do around the NFL every year that are over the cap. They make moves, get under and sign players. New Orleans started somewhere around $50M over and are still signing guys Speaking of Overdorf, if you think he’s been around a while, he joined the Bills in 1986, the same year Marv Levy became head coach. 1 Quote
Gregg Posted March 14 Posted March 14 9 hours ago, FireChans said: lmao Just a coincidence that a Bucs team that had gone 5-11, 5-11 and 7-9 the three years prior ended up with 11 wins, 3 playoff wins, and a Superbowl trophy after signing the best QB of all time. You don't even believe the stuff you argue. One day its "McD is doing his best getting production out of late rounders but Beane needs to do better." The next day, it's "this is a top 7 roster without Josh." Comical honestly. New England imploded into garbage immediately after Brady left. The Bucs win the Superbowl and make the playoffs for the first time since 2007 after signing Brady and its a "stacked team" lol. The big reason the Pats declined was they went from the GOAT to Jones. That is a massive drop off in talent at the most important position. No coach in NFL history could overcome that. Even in the last few years with Bill their defense kept them in most games, but the offense was garbage. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Gregg said: The big reason the Pats declined was they went from the GOAT to Jones. That is a massive drop off in talent at the most important position. No coach in NFL history could overcome that. Even in the last few years with Bill their defense kept them in most games, but the offense was garbage. Right and the biggest reason the Bills started winning more is that we went from Fitz/Trent/Tyrod to Josh. thats the whole point 4 1 Quote
Billsfed1 Posted March 14 Author Posted March 14 6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Thread like this can reveal a lot about each poster who contributes. OP without nuance will invite the binary brigade to crusade for their integer, especially when declaring triumphantly that Beane's offseason is already a 1 out of 1. Team 0 can't abide. Well stated…but come on now Quote
Gregg Posted March 14 Posted March 14 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: Right and the biggest reason the Bills started winning more is that we went from Fitz/Trent/Tyrod to Josh. thats the whole point Agree. It's a QB driven league. No coach or GM is winning unless they have the QB in place they can build around. Quote
GerstAusGosheim Posted March 14 Posted March 14 On 3/12/2025 at 11:27 AM, Luka said: This draft is going to make or break Beane this year. He really needs to identify an elite player at a position of need. Corner, edge, DT or wide receiver. He's been whiffing big time. Hopefully Bishop plays better this season because it looks like Beane is standing firm at safety after re-signing Hamlin this morning. Not sure if it's our scouting department or what. Great in the late rounds but can't seem to get the big one in the first, aside from Josh of course. McBeane is approaching Free Agency like it could be their last. And should be if they don't reach the Super Bowl. Feels like ownership may have them on notice for wasting the last 4 years of Josh's prime. 1 Quote
jethro_tull Posted March 14 Posted March 14 On 3/12/2025 at 10:20 AM, DallasBillsFan1 said: Beane needs to NAIL this draft. Recent top picks have been marginal at best (Elam, Kincaid, Coleman) ... maybe a little early, but. Would like us to have a SOLID draft. he needs to nail the last two drafts, some key players have some catching up to do this season.... On 3/12/2025 at 10:12 AM, Billsfed1 said: Considering the Bills were like 15 mil over the cap a couple weeks ago despite the cap increase, it’s nothing short of incredible what he’s pulled off here. To completely retain AND rebuild the team in 1 offseason almost seems impossible but somehow or another he’s managed. If this isn’t A+ for a manager…I don’t know what is. He certainly has done pretty well with what he had to wotk with and has improved the team on paper. Let's see how the remainder of FA season pans out before we crown him yet. Quote
Richard Noggin Posted March 15 Posted March 15 16 hours ago, Billsfed1 said: Well stated…but come on now Come on now what? Honestly...what am I doing wrong? Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted March 15 Posted March 15 (edited) On 3/13/2025 at 10:08 PM, Gunsgoodtime said: Until they can at bare minimum make a SB with Josh Allen at qb this GM is the master of high pick failures and overpaid FAs and get lucky in the 5th round to find someone that can actually play. Our coach is currently the King of playoff failure and the brain behind the every year failures of our defense. I actually think the SB years were much better, but I'm old so there is that. The bills are the early elway broncos with the Montana 49ers in their own conference. It is what it is. I still think we'll win a couple super bowls eventually. McDermott has made me doubt that but I have to hope it will happen. It's part of not being to cynical as a fan. We got a helluva chance with Allen Obviously it's not an excuse but there are so many incompetent teams around the league, I still think it's important to try and enjoy this Allen era and not get so caught up in the ultimate outcome Edited March 15 by Kelly to Allen 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted March 15 Posted March 15 51 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Come on now what? Honestly...what am I doing wrong? Advocating for a nuanced understanding that allows for complexity is not allowed. This is a football forum. Now go jump through a table. 1 1 Quote
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