Beane is being Beane

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Lost said:

 

On one hand I like going into the draft without any glaring holes and being able to mostly take best player available but on the other hand it kind of feels like year after year we waste a lot of cap money on JAGs and end up with too much redundancy at positions.   For example, if Beane happens to a receiver with one of his first 2 picks. What does that mean for Josh Palmer, Curtis Samuel or Keon?  If they take a DT rd 1 then suddenly 8 million for Ogunjobi as a depth piece feels like an overpay.  

I disagree.  He’s in a position to go BPA or move up to grab a guy they really want.  It is of course imperative that they get some real talent doing so; there have been critiques that he’s gotten starters and solid guys in the top rounds but other than Josh no truly elite guys.

[Mango]

Beane generally loved to hedge his draft picks by addressing them in FA first. That means I fully expect us to go in on DL and a other WR in the top 100

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Brandon has a history of plugging holes in free agency so he doesn’t have obvious gaps going into the draft.  We needed a pass rusher, he gets Bosa.  A bigger outside WR?  Palmer.  Gets Hoechst to bolster the D line.  
 

I expect we’ll see a CB added in the next couple days, maybe bring back Douglas.  I expect a big DT to be added.  And that will probably be it.  Some are thinking safety but I think they’re good with Rapp and Bishop as starters.  I also think they redo Benford but maybe not Cook yet.

 

So going into the draft Brandon won’t feel forced into focusing on a specific position.  I do think he’ll be looking at the big DTs; might just be bias on my part because I always want them to draft a big pile of goo to anchor the D line.  I could see him moving up for a guy like Grant in round 1.  

Good stuff, Fan. Write on the money. And right on q, the bills signed the defensive tackle you were talking about. 

 

Bean has often said that free agency is for plugging holes and the draft is for acquiring talent, and that is exactly what we're seeing again this year.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

42 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

 

Is spite of the ridiculous shredding by some Bills fans, BB rebuilding us towards another 13+ win season. If you can't understand how successful the dude has been I can't help you.

On some level sure.
 

But we haven’t even been to the big game, let alone win it. Most years we haven’t even been close. 
 

We’ve been consistently good but not great. 

[Jrb1979]

6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Good stuff, Fan. Write on the money. And right on q, the bills signed the defensive tackle you were talking about. 

 

Bean has often said that free agency is for plugging holes and the draft is for acquiring talent, and that is exactly what we're seeing again this year.

I don't have an issue with them building a team this way. It's good for consistency and keeps them competitive. My biggest problem is the ability to find elite playmakers in the draft. Outside of Josh, they really haven't found their Chris Jones or Kelce or Barkley. It's been a lot of really good team players. 

[Success]

I was coming on the board to start this thread.   I really like the strategy - holes are basically filled, though not in spectacular fashion. But it gives him a lot of flexibility on draft weekend and he doesn't have to grapple w/ "need" nearly as much when considering players.

 

[BillsVet]

How does Beane know he's truly Beane though?  We know he exists yes, but what is his essence?  Is it found in these UFA signings or draft picks?  Is it really an extension of McDermott?  Who is, in fact, the authentic Beane? 

 

[oldmanfan]

Looks like I was wrong about safety.  Hamlin and now this guy from the Commanders.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

7 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

How does Beane know he's truly Beane though?  We know he exists yes, but what is his essence?  Is it found in these UFA signings or draft picks?  Is it really an extension of McDermott?  Who is, in fact, the authentic Beane? 

 

 

He also has to draft for the scheme, which has meant a smaller and less physical defense than a lot of us here want. Not sure if it would be different if it was all up to him. 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

I will give him credit in keeping the Bills a top team year in and year out. It's much better than the drought era. I still want just one season where they overspend on free agency. 

 

The problem with overspending on free agency to create a great team for one or two seasons is that it only guarantees that the cap hit will come due whether or not the team wins a Super Bowl.  Too often great teams don't win the Super Bowl even if they make it the big game.

 

57 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

On one hand I like going into the draft without any glaring holes and being able to mostly take best player available but on the other hand it kind of feels like year after year we waste a lot of cap money on JAGs and end up with too much redundancy at positions.   For example, if Beane happens to draft a receiver with one of his first 2 picks. What does that mean for Josh Palmer, Curtis Samuel or Keon?  If they take a DT rd 1 then suddenly 8 million for Ogunjobi as a depth piece feels like an overpay.  

 

The Bills are drafting at the bottom of each round (#30 in round 1).  The chances of finding a ready-to-start WR or DT at that draft position are between slim and none.   The Bills could draft a true stud at either WR or DT at #30, but it's most likely going to take a couple of seasons to see that great player.

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The problem with overspending on free agency to create a great team for one or two seasons is that it only guarantees that the cap hit will come due whether or not the team wins a Super Bowl.  Too often great teams don't win the Super Bowl even if they make it the big game.

 

 

The Bills are drafting at the bottom of each round (#30 in round 1).  The chances of finding a ready-to-start WR or DT at that draft position are between slim and none.   The Bills could draft a true stud at either WR or DT at #30, but it's most likely going to take a couple of seasons to see that great player.

While it does happen that great teams don't win a Super Bowl going all in. At the same time what the Bills are doing hasn't got them there either. While it keeps them a top team every season, they have only been to 2 AFC championship games in that time. 

 

All I'm saying is try something different for a change. If not overspending in free agency, why not try to move up and draft a blue chip player. 

[Don Otreply]

Well he is Beane after all…, 

[turbo044]

22 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The problem with overspending on free agency to create a great team for one or two seasons is that it only guarantees that the cap hit will come due whether or not the team wins a Super Bowl.  Too often great teams don't win the Super Bowl even if they make it the big game.

 

 

The Bills are drafting at the bottom of each round (#30 in round 1).  The chances of finding a ready-to-start WR or DT at that draft position are between slim and none.   The Bills could draft a true stud at either WR or DT at #30, but it's most likely going to take a couple of seasons to see that great player.

Typically yes, but this year Dline is so good that at #30 you may be able to draft a starter. Probably not at WR unless Golden falls

[SoTier]

11 minutes ago, turbo044 said:

Typically yes, but this year Dline is so good that at #30 you may be able to draft a starter. Probably not at WR unless Golden falls

 

Finding a rookie DLer ready to start from opening day at #30 is a pipe dream.  Those kinds of players are off the board by the middle of the first round, especially when there's not a lot of QBs to distract teams drafting at the top of the draft.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

On some level sure.
 

But we haven’t even been to the big game, let alone win it. Most years we haven’t even been close. 
 

We’ve been consistently good but not great. 

If you ain't first you're last right Reece!

Edited 4 hours ago by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[HomeskillitMoorman]

6 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

If you ain't first you're last right Reece!

 

I mean in our case not even 2nd...but sure. If you look at where we've finished the last few years, I would definitely categorize us as being good but not great. 

Edited 4 hours ago by HomeskillitMoorman