Mack Hollins signs with Patriots

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Simon said:

Maybe not the most gifted guy but that's a bunch of clutch plays walking out the door

You're telling me we can pay Palmer 12/yr ( 1 td in 2024) but we can't pay Mack 4/yr?  Unreal????

[mikemac2001]

37 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You're telling me we can pay Palmer 12/yr ( 1 td in 2024) but we can't pay Mack 4/yr?  Unreal????

I think it comes down to man vs man and separation 

 

sucks I was hoping we brought Mack back but last year no one could separate 

 

the problem will now be they can get open but have dumb drops (drive killers) which we didn’t have this year 

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, iccrewman112 said:

say what you want, over the course of his career Tom Brady never took these megadeals. Where his cap hit was compared to other league QBs

 

2011 - 7th - Lost Super Bowl
2012 - 16th
2013 - 5th
2014 - 11th - SB win
2015 - 14th 
2016 - 18th - SB win 
2017 - 19th
2018 - 11th - SB win

 

i had hoped with all the national endorsements for Allen now (Gatorade, Verizon, Pepsi, Nike, InBev, New Era, Gillette) that there wouldn’t have been the need to monopolize so much of the cap. 

This irrelevant post proves my point.  You, like many here,  haven't got a clue. 🤣.  He's 13th in % of cap at signing.   Give me a break with this garbage

Edited yesterday at 04:50 AM by Dablitzkrieg

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

https://x.com/MikeReiss/status/1899236789614694738?t=-FYBfaX8iOxvao_gDm2iiQ&s=19

 

2 years, 8.4m 

 

Thanks for the memories Mack. You overachieved with us.

How ? What ? No…

[folz]

3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

he was enjoyable but he couldn’t be a WR2/3 for us and we need that (really need better than that)

 

3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

We can’t hit our potential with hollins leading us in touchdowns. 
 

im not sure Palmer is the guy, but hollins can’t be our best perimeter red zone threat 

 

I actually agree with you NoSaint. We could not have Hollins filling in at WR2/3 again this year. 

 

I think the plan last year was Hollins as your #4 or #5, splitting time with MVS depending on circumstances. With Keon, Samuel, and Shakir ahead of them. [Remember, we were also on a serious budget last year.] But, with Samuel's TC injury, MVS not working out, and Keon being a rookie (bringing him along slowly/learning curve), Mack was pressed into playing roles that maybe didn't suit his skillset best. That is why Amari was added. Technically at that point, Mack was the #5, but again, due to injuries (Samuel, Keon, Amari), he was asked to do a lot more. So, I don't think even last year they thought of him as a #2 or #3, it's just sometimes he was forced into playing that role. And why Beane needed to focus on WR depth this year (even if we don't bring in a bonafide #1 WR). I like the Palmer signing, but by no means do I think that Beane is done (need to add at least 1 more WR in FA or the draft---probably the draft). I would have loved Mack to stick around as say a true WR5 again this season, for all of the intangibles that he brings, but yeah, I don't think the Bills were willing to pay double what they did last year for a WR5. It's just not good business when you can probably get a more talented (though less experienced) guy on a rookie deal. Just as an example, a 2nd rounder is about 8-9 million for 4 years (or 2-2.25 million per season for four years, rather than 4.2-5.2 million per for Mack for two years). And obviously, the rookie has room to grow (you're hoping he'll develop into more than a WR4/5). Mack is who he is at this point.

 

But, having said all of that, Mack was a fun guy to have on the team, gave his all for the team, and actually came up pretty clutch at times. He definitely exceeded a lot of posters expectations of him when first signed and was a very important part of last year's success, even if his overall numbers weren't huge---big part of the running game, special teams, offense's attitude, locker room, etc. I was just pointing out with my post that we shouldn't judge new FA acquisitions too harshly because they may turn out much better than we expect (like Mack did). [Though I understand that we have had our share of bad FA acquisitions where posters were correct about their original negative assessments too.]

 

Anyhow, I understand the decision, just sorry to see Mack go.

[billsfan89]

48 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You're telling me we can pay Palmer 12/yr ( 1 td in 2024) but we can't pay Mack 4/yr?  Unreal????

 

Palmer would be a replacement for Cooper, Mack at 4+ with the potential to be 5+ is paying him more than the Bills can afford for a role player. Not sure if they view Palmer as a role player thus the reason they shelled out more. 

[LABILLBACKER]

58 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

I think it comes down to man vs man and separation 

 

sucks I was hoping we brought Mack back but last year no one could separate 

 

the problem will now be they can get open but have dumb drops (drive killers) which we didn’t have this year 

I keep being told by many about this incredible ability of Palmer to separate.  But it doesn't add up.  If he was truly able to separate,  he would've had alot more than 1 td last year.  Doesn't make sense?

52 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Palmer would be a replacement for Cooper, Mack at 4+ with the potential to be 5+ is paying him more than the Bills can afford for a role player. Not sure if they view Palmer as a role player thus the reason they shelled out more. 

This better not turn into another Hines, Harty situation. Where Joe doesn't know how to use him.

[JoshAllin]

If a WR goes down, there's no one I'd rather have than Mack back there. But he probably wanted a bigger role and may get it in NE

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I'd guess that the Bills letting him walk wasn't as much about money as it was them clearing the way for Coleman to take more snaps in that role.

My first thought after the Palmer signing was we're not re-signing Hollins.  An outside WR who can block who has a more complete skill set.  So we were basically looking at the Jake Kumerow role if he stayed and I doubt he wanted that.  Also, Hollins had his best season under Josh McDaniels so who knows what his motivations were and if Beane tried to match the offer. 

[giardia812]

Mack won us games and won our hearts!  Now he’ll need to drop some passes when it counts! Unfortunately that’s not on his Bills resume.

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You're telling me we can pay Palmer 12/yr ( 1 td in 2024) but we can't pay Mack 4/yr?  Unreal????

Palmer beats man coverage and Mack doesn't.  Simple as that  There's a reason teams played the most man coverage against the Bills than any other team last year.  We're pot committed to Shakir, Samuel, Palmer, and Coleman.  I don't blame Mack for going to a lesser team where he can be on the field regularly with Josh McDaniels who he had his most success playing under calling plays.

[Sweats]

FFS!!!

 

The dude was definitely JA's "go to" guy in clutch situations.......was hoping we'd retain his services a little longer.

[BarleyNY]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

You're telling me we can pay Palmer 12/yr ( 1 td in 2024) but we can't pay Mack 4/yr?  Unreal????

 

It was a choice. Same role so both weren’t going to be on the team. Palmer’s job is to provide a floor for our X in case Coleman doesn’t develop in that role. That was Mack’s job last season. 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by BarleyNY

[Billsatlastin2018]

👏 Mr. Hollins! Liked everything about you. Try not to duplicate that shite with the Cheats! Cheers.

[T master]

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

https://x.com/MikeReiss/status/1899236789614694738?t=-FYBfaX8iOxvao_gDm2iiQ&s=19

 

2 years, 8.4m 

 

Thanks for the memories Mack. You overachieved with us.

 

***** !!!  The guy was super productive and a great locker room guy and Josh loved him and had a lot of trust in him but they don't bring him back WTF ??? This is a HUGE head scratcher ... 

Edited 16 hours ago by T master

[Coach Tuesday]

3 hours ago, giardia812 said:

Mack won us games and won our hearts!  Now he’ll need to drop some passes when it counts! Unfortunately that’s not on his Bills resume.

 

You're telling me 811 other people wanted "Giardia" in their username?????

[Gunsgoodtime]

8 hours ago, mikemac2001 said:

I think it comes down to man vs man and separation 

 

sucks I was hoping we brought Mack back but last year no one could separate 

 

the problem will now be they can get open but have dumb drops (drive killers) which we didn’t have this year 

Good point, we may have not had speedsters last year, but I will give them credit where due they rarely dropped balls and that part was rather refreshing 

[zow2]

Mack Hollins is a nice signing for them. He's obviously a fun guy too, a team player...and good to have in the WR room.  He's good on special teams so he brings more to the table than being a WR.

 

All that being said, he had a great season with Josh in a very good Bills offense...., but the "legend of Mack" is probably better than what the Patriots will see on the field.  

[Puckman5]

Anywhere but New England.  May his toes become frost bitten.  

 

 

[bmur66]

That's BS