Bills Sign WR Josh Palmer 3-$36M

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

They can think whatever they want, but the proof is in the numbers that he has produced

 

What you said about him is simply ridiculous, and his play over numerous years is proof that it's ridiculous 

Well the hope is that Palmer had a Darnell Mooney type e v a l when it came to play vs production.

 

I think Mooney produced more in a single season, but he was coming off back to back 400 yard seasons and still had a pretty good market last year. Watching a lot of Bears games told me that he was really held back by the system and QB and I thought he was gonna be a steal. 
 

Obviously Palmer wasn’t held back by his QB as much as Mooney was but still. Maybe he can be an 800-900 yard guy.

 

I’m not in love with the signing, because I think where the WR market has the worst talent meets pay intersection is the middle tier guys but maybe he surprises us.

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

They can think whatever they want, but the proof is in the numbers that he has produced

 

What you said about him is simply ridiculous, and his play over numerous years is proof that it's ridiculous 

I said-  He’s a great separator.  He has great hands.  He can get deep.  He can get open 10-20 better than 90% of the league.

 

there are stats littered throughout this thread that say otherwise on the first 3. Can he get open 🚕 10-20 better than 90% of the nfl is certainly debatable.  I’ll give you that.  But there are stats that suggest that he was last season

 

Every nfl analyst I’ve seen so far thinks this is a good deal and thought he was a very good underrated player.  

 

Some players need a change of scenery to flourish.  He’s always impressed me and I’m happy he’s a Bill

1 hour ago, Cubanmist said:

What in the flying —— are the Bills doing? Curtis Samuel, Shakir, and Palmer are all inside guys. We need outside deep threats who possess speed. Give Allen a true #1 WR already! I’m tired of this crap!

Dude got fleeced!

Palmer is an inside guy?  Or he was an inside guy when Keenan Allen got hurt?

[Billl]

5 hours ago, snafu said:

 

Greg Roman offense?

Not so great pass protecting O-Line (Herbert was sacked 41 times last year)?

Herbert only threw an average 29 times/game and only completed 19/game?

 

 

 

IMO, he’s a little bit like Shakir in that he’s most effective when he’s not a volume guy.  By that, I mean that he can win when the matchup and formation are favorable and be a really efficient player.  When you start trying to get him more targets, the returns diminish very quickly.  It actually seems like a perfect fit for the “everybody eats” philosophy.  If the defense shows one look, it’s Shakir’s target.  If they show another, it goes to Palmer.  Still, that’s a hefty chunk of change for that role.

[LEBills]

 

[BeastMaster]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Well the hope is that Palmer had a Darnell Mooney type e v a l when it came to play vs production.

 

I think Mooney produced more in a single season, but he was coming off back to back 400 yard seasons and still had a pretty good market last year. Watching a lot of Bears games told me that he was really held back by the system and QB and I thought he was gonna be a steal. 
 

Obviously Palmer wasn’t held back by his QB as much as Mooney was but still. Maybe he can be an 800-900 yard guy.

 

I’m not in love with the signing, because I think where the WR market has the worst talent meets pay intersection is the middle tier guys but maybe he surprises us.

I agree that he could potentially see a bump in numbers due to Allen and the system here, but his glowing praise of Palmer and his ability to win more than most receivers etc is just flat out nonsense

 

I'll hope he can become a guy who can produce at a starters level, but to me that's likely the dudes ceiling. What we've seen from him so far is he's probably a borderline boundary receiver

[BillsFan130]

22 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

They can think whatever they want, but the proof is in the numbers that he has produced

 

What you said about him is simply ridiculous, and his play over numerous years is proof that it's ridiculous 

Both you guys make good points IMO.

 

The advanced stats do show that he is a good separator.

 

But I do lean towards your side of the argument- He hasn't really produced a lot in 4 years. (2022 he was descent)

 

It does beg the question- If his advanced stats are good and he's playing with a good QB in Justin Herbert, why hasn't he produced much. Which is a bit concerning IMO

[BeastMaster]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I said-  He’s a great separator.  He has great hands.  He can get deep.  He can get open 10-20 better than 90% of the league.

 

there are stats littered throughout this thread that say otherwise on the first 3. Can he get open 🚕 10-20 better than 90% of the nfl is certainly debatable.  I’ll give you that.  But there are stats that suggest that he was last season

 

Every nfl analyst I’ve seen so far thinks this is a good deal and thought he was a very good underrated player.  

 

Some players need a change of scenery to flourish.  He’s always impressed me and I’m happy he’s a Bill

Palmer is an inside guy?  Or he was an inside guy when Keenan Allen got hurt?

I don't care what the analysts say. Half of those dopes barely watch the games and can't even tell you who's who half the time.

 

Right now is when people try to sell new acquisitions to the masses. Of course they're gonna be talking rainbows and unicorns right now. They want to justify these guys getting good size contracts and want the league to look a certain way when it comes to free agent signings. It's all about potential and what X player could produce.

 

I hope this guy is everything and more than what analysts say he is, but to me this is the type of guy that you don't pay and you draft because he doesn't seem to possess any traits that stand out which makes him less valuable and easier to find someone that can do what he can in the draft for a much lower cost

 

 

[HomeTeam]

For the few times I've watched the chargers on primetime, I've always though he was a player. If memory serves me correctly, he was lower on their depth chart, so he did not get as much playing time. Last year the chargers were a heavy run scheme. 

 

He has good size and speed and catches the ball. Again that's just the half dozen times I've watched him play but I like the signing. 

[Warriorspikes51]

13 minutes ago, LEBills said:

 

thanks for posting

[TBBills Fan]

9 minutes ago, HomeTeam said:

For the few times I've watched the chargers on primetime, I've always though he was a player. If memory serves me correctly, he was lower on their depth chart, so he did not get as much playing time. Last year the chargers were a heavy run scheme. 

 

He has good size and speed and catches the ball. Again that's just the half dozen times I've watched him play but I like the signing. 

That's how I feel same here

[Coach Tuesday]

Consider me medium-whelmed.

[BigDingus]

19 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I agree that he could potentially see a bump in numbers due to Allen and the system here, but his glowing praise of Palmer and his ability to win more than most receivers etc is just flat out nonsense

 

I'll hope he can become a guy who can produce at a starters level, but to me that's likely the dudes ceiling. What we've seen from him so far is he's probably a borderline boundary receiver

 

He could also see a dip in his numbers due to Allen & the system here, just as Curtis Samuel did (worst season in his career) or Amari Cooper (barely averaged 2 receptions a game).

 

I think our system is more centered around running the ball now, which is reflected in the passing & receiving numbers being down so much (especially Josh's). Which is all the more reason I feel Cook should've been one of the first people paid, as he was our best weapon & the person to take the most pressure off of Josh.

[DuckyBoys]

12 mill a year for a #3 wr   Super Bowl!!!

[buffalostu2]

6 hours ago, mannc said:

Joe Marino was/is a big fan of this signing.

I think he was a fan at 4-6 million though, wasn't he?

[finn]

He checks most of the boxes except speed and production, so who knows. But why didn't the Rams bring him back? And is the high price Beane paid a reflection of the competition he had landing this guy?

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

12 mill a year for a #3 wr   Super Bowl!!!

It won't be that much once we see the actual numbers. That 12 is with all the incentives. I think you know that, but wanted to vent anyway. 

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, Low Positive said:

It won't be that much once we see the actual numbers. That 12 is with all the incentives. I think you know that, but wanted to vent anyway. 

 

It seems to me that there are fans who just won't accept the fact that Beane is not signing a Metcalf type at $33M AAV.

 

Instead, it's $13M for Shakir, $8M for Samuel and $12M for Palmer (or a little less).

Which happens to come to $33M, same as Metcalf.

[MikePJ76]

So it seems the Giants were not going to let Darius Slayton go.  He is a mentor to nabers, locker room leader and favorite of Daboll.

 

https://youtu.be/ZxF3J2Z8N1s?si=kW90FaZ_ZiQmpz_o

[mannc]

15 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said:

I think he was a fan at 4-6 million though, wasn't he?

That is what he thought it was going to be, but he was still excited about it on today’s pod.

[Thrivefourfive]

I drafted Palmer as a late round flyer and he delivered once, and didn’t last year. Oh well. There were a lot of mouths to feed w/ the Chargers, so we’ll see. 
 

Feels like a Samuel re-do a little. Like Samuel, Palmer needs to show he can stay on the field by doing the little things well, and then- BOOM! Don’t drop the ball!! 😵

21 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

So it seems the Giants were not going to let Darius Slayton go.  He is a mentor to nabers, locker room leader and favorite of Daboll.

 

https://youtu.be/ZxF3J2Z8N1s?si=kW90FaZ_ZiQmpz_o

How many firsts does it take to get Nabers right now? Just spitballing