Bills Sign WR Josh Palmer 3-$36M

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

now add the speedy Slatyton as well 

Do this and then you've got my attention in a good way.  Not to mention if Hollins is brought back, we can spend the whole draft on defense. 

[DJB]

I would have taken this money and offered it to J Holland who would instantly upgrade our safety position and play 100% of the snaps 

[Magox]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

Why?

 

Because the formation that the Bills like to play a lot the 4 by 1 where they have 4 receivers bunched on one side and the 1 isolated on the other side is not a role that Coleman is suited for.   That is suited for someone who can win 1 v 1 and that can separate.  Palmer will play that role.  Coleman will play the role that Mack Hollins played a lot this year which was more of a power slot who can line up on the boundary.

[purple haze]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think it does move the needle on our offense as a whole though.  He is a legit outside WR as you said, and he is a downfield threat who gets open.  Its going to help guys like Shakir, Keon, our TE's, etc by bringing that dimension to the offense.  

 

I don't expect Palmer to become a legit star here, but that is one of the beauties of this offense, we don't need him to be.  We needed a legit guy on the outside that was a threat downfield, and we got someone who does that.  

 

What I hope is that this means we will also draft someone as well still and there are some guys I really like in rounds 2-4 that I think would be exciting prospects to include in our mix.  

I wouldn’t count on it.  I expect DT-DE-CB-S

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

- I think it is fine.

- He is a player of the right type at a position of need. 

- He was probably the baseline acceptable level of upgrade at that spot.

- He is faster than his combine 40.

- He doesn't have an issue with separation.

- He probably has a career year with Josh.

- But he isn't gonna emerge as a #1 receiver. 

 

I think the best case scenario is somewhere around 2019 John Brown. He was the Bills #1 by default but we all knew (well most of us did) he wasn't a true #1 receiver. And from memory Brown went just over 1,000. And that would open things up in the middle of the field for Shakir and the tight ends. That is best case scenario.

 

Worst case if he stays healthy he is that 500-700 yard guy he has been in LA. And he makes the odd big play but defenses still focus on stopping the Bills inside to out and make them try and win with Palmer which doesn't hold up over a season.

Thanks.  
 

great synopsis.  Agree with all of it.  
 

I don’t think the ceiling of our offense needed to go much higher (related to one of your other posts).  It was the best in team history and one of the most efficient in history.

 

IMO, we needed to replace Cooper with a similar talent and then improve the defense.  I think Palmer is a similar talent to cooper (at this stage of his career)

[Victory Formation]

$12M/year does seem like a lot of money but keep in mind that the top guys are getting $35M/year plus.

 

It is reasonable to assume that his production will improve with Josh but only time will tell..

[Logic]

I can recognize and appreciate the "separation and man beating ability" argument, but...

 

Ultimately, we were all saying "if this offense needs one thing, it's another difference maker", and Palmer simply doesn't feel like that. Now...to be fair...there really weren't/aren't many difference makers available in free agency, short of maybe a Davante Adams. But still...

 

League average receivers who can pitch in 400-500 yards and be effective role players are pretty much all we HAD last year, and so far appear to be all we'll have THIS year. Granted, they haven't yet re-signed Cooper or Hollins, so I suppose from a sheer numbers standpoint, they had to do SOMETHING.

 

But...a year after everyone got excited for career long average receiver Curtis Samuel (and even HE had more career production than Josh Palmer), it's hard for me to get too excited for career long average receiver Josh Palmer.

I'm sure he'll play a role. I'm sure he'll have some nice moments. I'm not sure I see how it IMPROVES our offense in a tangible way, though.

[Kirby Jackson]

Probably posted but this is good:

 

https://x.com/scottbarrettdfb/status/1899179015157760132?s=46&t=aIi6rXjE4r9_s--847m7fQ

[Back2Buff]

I don't know why people are talking about money.  I would venture to guess his cap hit is around 4-6 million this year and probably like 10 next year where we can get out with very little dead cap after two years if it doesn't work.

[Dan Darragh]

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

I'm going to be the one to just go ahead and ask...........what's his 40 time?!?

A blazing 4.52

[biggerdaddynj]

Seems like a WR who has a chance to balance out our “everyone eats” offense by adding the separation piece we desperately need.  Think Slayton will get significantly overpaid based on the slim pickings on the FA market (I don’t count Higgins).  Swing for upside (high ceiling) at WR with a 4th/5th rounder this year.
 

Wish we’d been able to get something more but circumstances didn’t pan out in our favor.  It will be a real tragedy (football not life!) if Diggs winds up being the only the true WR1 Josh will have during his career.  

[MikePJ76]

The people who loved giving up a 3rd (huge mistake) for cooper all hate this signing.

 

Very interesting.

[Buffalo Junction]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

I can recognize and appreciate the "separation and man beating ability" argument, but...

 

Ultimately, we were all saying "if this offense needs one thing, it's another difference maker", and Palmer simply doesn't feel like that. Now...to be fair...there really weren't/aren't many difference makers available in free agency, short of maybe a Davante Adams. But still...

 

League average receivers who can pitch in 400-500 yards and be effective role players are pretty much all we HAD last year, and so far appear to be all we'll have THIS year. Granted, they haven't yet re-signed Cooper or Hollins, so I suppose from a sheer numbers standpoint, they had to do SOMETHING.

 

But...a year after everyone got excited for career long average receiver Curtis Samuel (and even HE had more career production than Josh Palmer), it's hard for me to get too excited for career long average receiver Josh Palmer.

I'm sure he'll play a role. I'm sure he'll have some nice moments. I'm not sure I see how it IMPROVES our offense in a tangible way, though.

I’m not certain that we need another difference maker on offense (assuming Cook and Shakir perform at the same level), especially if Coleman or Kincaid take a step forward. We certainly need a difference maker or two on the team overall though. Whether that’s the desired receiver, DB that makes timely plays, or a DLman that gets timely stuffs or sacks… We need another guy or two to make some magic happen, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. 

[Buffalo716]

14 minutes ago, DJB said:

I would have taken this money and offered it to J Holland who would instantly upgrade our safety position and play 100% of the snaps 

I'm pretty sure holland has missed games the last 3 years so he's certainly was not going to play 100% of snaps

 

He's probably going to miss a game or two this year because history repeats

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

The people who loved giving up a 3rd (huge mistake) for cooper all hate this signing.

 

Very interesting.

Im on the fence. I would have liked to have gotten him cheaper but that’s the rate. I think he’s a piece to the puzzle and will help. I see him as the Hollins replacement with much higher upside ability. Hollins is most likely going to get a solid chunk of change as well but not as much because of the age difference 

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Im on the fence. I would have liked to have gotten him cheaper but that’s the rate. I think he’s a piece to the puzzle and will help. I see him as the Hollins replacement with much higher upside ability. Hollins is most likely going to get a solid chunk of change as well but not as much because of the age difference 

Interesting, you see him as the hollins replacement.  

 

I think they are going to draft a guy or sign another vet obviously in the coming weeks but i would think Palmer would get the snaps Cooper got last year.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

$12M/year does seem like a lot of money but keep in mind that the top guys are getting $35M/year plus.

 

It is reasonable to assume that his production will improve with Josh but only time will tell..

 

It's less than davis got last year on a smaller cap FWIW.  

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

His 1 TD should really help us get past those Chiefs. This signing is as much of a head scratcher as the Curtis Samuel signing but I'll of course hope to be wrong. Also another slow WR, he get's open yet only had 584 yards and 1 TD. These are the guys were surrounding the best QB in the league with? 

[FLFan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm pretty sure holland has missed games the last 3 years so he's certainly was not going to play 100% of snaps

 

He's probably going to miss a game or two this year because history repeats

Yes, and the Bills are simply not shopping for a starting safety.  People need to deal with that.  They will be looking for depth and will likely add during the draft, for depth.  

[Bockeye]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

The people who loved giving up a 3rd (huge mistake) for cooper all hate this signing.

 

Very interesting.

To be fair, I think most people were on board with Cooper but he didn’t live up to expectations.  As such, most are now very skeptical of Beane’s FA WR signings.
 

His track record for this position is absolutely terrible.  Here’s hoping that he get lucky with this dart 🍻