Free Agency Rumor Thread

[MrEpsYtown]

22 hours ago, nosejob said:

.....and also sign Julian Blackmon

 

I am not sure if he goes back to Indy this time with them signing Cam Bynum

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

40 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

See this is why fans aren’t GMs. We go through this every year-people want to trade away guys when their value is at its lowest. It makes absolutely no sense to trade Kincaid at this point 

 

Agreed. Kincaid for a 3rd now is a clown take. Point blank.

[MrEpsYtown]

KIncaid is soft because he is a basketball player. But plenty of players like him have made it eventually. He should go train with Antonio Gates or something. There is talent there, but he is a finesse player. 

[TOboy]

27 minutes ago, finn said:

And that's with a mediocre (but generational!) quarterback throwing to him. 

 

As others have said, Beane might have tried and failed to find a trading partner to land Thomas. But maybe he should have looked higher up in the draft, packaging a third instead of the fourth he might have been offering, or even a third AND fourth. Would you trade Coleman, Ray Davis, and DeWayne Carter for Thomas? Would you trade Kincaid, Torrence, and Dorian Williams for a lockdown corner in Christian Gonzales? 

 

All these years, Beane has been choosing quantity over quality. In his mind, better three pretty good players instead of one great one. So what does he have? A pretty good team and a pretty good coach to go with an incandescently great quarterback. It shows you the greatness of Allen that he's taken the team as far as he has with no help. In fact, in the clutch, his teammates aren't even "pretty good": the receivers drop passes, the kicker chokes, the defense doesn't show up, and his coaches are unprepared and utterly predictable.

 

Beane's response: Bring in more pretty good players. Maybe the pretty good coaches will develop them. 

 

He...just...doesn't...get it. Allen needs Brian Thomas, not Keon Coleman. He needs Brock Bowers, not Dalton Kincaid. He needs Micah Parsons, not Hamlin and Oliver and Bernard and Epenesa.

 

Message to Beane: You have TEN picks in this draft. Forget "pretty good." Do your job and get an elite player.  

So you’re saying he needs an earlier draft pick? 

[playaction]

86 made the first down, but left to much in the ref's discretion. 

More strength to bust through was required

[nosejob]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I am not sure if he goes back to Indy this time with them signing Cam Bynum

I can't believe we don't bring him in. 27 steady contributor that could be a better Poyer for 5 yrs. and won't break the bank. What about Ojulari?

I think we need a separate GM who handles FA. I just don't get the seemingly net negative moves and more so the lack of aggression.  Do we wait for the phone to ring with offers? Is Darrick better than Blackmon? I would say NO.

[finn]

13 minutes ago, TOboy said:

So you’re saying he needs an earlier draft pick? 

I'm saying he has to draft better. If an elite player appears to be falling to him, then by all means stay put. He shouldn't trade up mindlessly, but neither should he continue to settle for second-tier players year after year in the hopes that they may become elite someday. 

[MrEpsYtown]

53 minutes ago, nosejob said:

I can't believe we don't bring him in. 27 steady contributor that could be a better Poyer for 5 yrs. and won't break the bank. What about Ojulari?

I think we need a separate GM who handles FA. I just don't get the seemingly net negative moves and more so the lack of aggression.  Do we wait for the phone to ring with offers? Is Darrick better than Blackmon? I would say NO.

 

I agree. It seemed like they were in on him last year then nothing happened. Then they drafted Bishop and Blackmon actually had a really good year. 

 

I don't agree with it, but I am not sure they bring in real competition because they want Rapp and Bishop to start. Either that or they are targeting someone in the draft. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, finn said:

And that's with a mediocre (but generational!) quarterback throwing to him. 

 

As others have said, Beane might have tried and failed to find a trading partner to land Thomas. But maybe he should have looked higher up in the draft, packaging a third instead of the fourth he might have been offering, or even a third AND fourth. Would you trade Coleman, Ray Davis, and DeWayne Carter for Thomas? Would you trade Kincaid, Torrence, and Dorian Williams for a lockdown corner in Christian Gonzales? 

 

All these years, Beane has been choosing quantity over quality. In his mind, better three pretty good players instead of one great one. So what does he have? A pretty good team and a pretty good coach to go with an incandescently great quarterback. It shows you the greatness of Allen that he's taken the team as far as he has with no help. In fact, in the clutch, his teammates aren't even "pretty good": the receivers drop passes, the kicker chokes, the defense doesn't show up, and his coaches are unprepared and utterly predictable.

 

Beane's response: Bring in more pretty good players. Maybe the pretty good coaches will develop them. 

 

He...just...doesn't...get it. Allen needs Brian Thomas, not Keon Coleman. He needs Brock Bowers, not Dalton Kincaid. He needs Micah Parsons, not Hamlin and Oliver and Bernard and Epenesa.

 

Message to Beane: You have TEN picks in this draft. Forget "pretty good." Do your job and get an elite player.  

In a nutshell, this has to be the biggest gripe with Beane. With the exception of Josh, he hasn’t found a ton of elite talent. He’s found some good, to very good players, but only 1 star. Yes, I know that they’ve drafted late but that’s not an excuse. Other teams have too and found Pro Bowl and All-Pro level players. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

See this is why fans aren’t GMs. We go through this every year-people want to trade away guys when their value is at its lowest. It makes absolutely no sense to trade Kincaid at this point 

 

His value isn't necessarily at his lowest. If he replicates last year his value will go lower still.

 

I'd take a 3rd for him if it was available. I unfortunately just don't see enough NFL traits there to develop.

[Logic]

I haven't read through the entire past couple pages regarding Kincaid, but...

I'm just gonna say that he had a darn good rookie year, then had a sophomore slump as he dealt with myriad injuries, and that some are writing him off way too soon.

Mind you, I'm not some huge Kincaid mark. I said when he was drafted that I felt his ceiling was to be a Zach Ertz in his prime. I still think that.

But looking at his rookie year, then his sophomore year, and somehow concluding that he doesn't have what it takes to succeed and talk about dealing him for a third...I can't get behind that line of thinking.

I think he has a big bounceback 2025 season. 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I haven't read through the entire past couple pages regarding Kincaid, but...

I'm just gonna say that he had a darn good rookie year, then had a sophomore slump as he dealt with myriad injuries, and that some are writing him off way too soon.

Mind you, I'm not some huge Kincaid mark. I said when he was drafted that I felt his ceiling was to be a Zach Ertz in his prime. I still think that.

But looking at his rookie year, then his sophomore year, and somehow concluding that he doesn't have what it takes to succeed and talk about dealing him for a third...I can't get behind that line of thinking.

I think he has a big bounceback 2025 season. 

None of his injuries caused him to drop a floating ball right into his hands to effectively end the Bills season.  I just don’t see JA17 trusting this dude again with the game on the line…at least for a while. 

[Logic]

7 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

None of his injuries caused him to drop a floating ball right into his hands to effectively end the Bills season.  I just don’t see JA17 trusting this dude again with the game on the line…at least for a while. 

I understand recency bias, which I think is what's largely at play in all the Kincaid hate/doubt.

Guy had a bad season. Failed to make a big play in the AFCCG.

For what it's worth, Mark Andrews is on a Hall of Fame career path, and he dropped a pass that might have advanced his team in the playoffs, too. It happens.

I just don't thinking giving up on a guy after a bad second season (in which the head coach admitted he thought the player was highly affected by his injuries) after said player had a nice first season is good business.

I think it makes sense to give him year three to prove himself, and I'm betting on him to do so.

 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yes, I know that they’ve drafted late but that’s not an excuse.

 

Definitely not an excuse. Maybe if he traded for Von Miller in 2021 we would have won the Super Bowl that year. If he had traded for Jerry Jeudy last year we'd all feel great about our WR room. He could have traded for Metcalf. The game changing talent has been there, but he hasn't been willing to go all in to add it.

 

It feels like fans, and Beane, get so worked up over minor details. People are shocked by Metcalf's $33M AAV, but the difference between that and a more palatable $25M AAV is literally just Ogunjobi's contract. You have to be willing to overpay to acquire elite talent and that means sacrificing 1-2 solid rotational players.

[Since1981]

22 minutes ago, Logic said:

Mark Andrews is on a Hall of Fame career path, and he dropped a pass that might have advanced his team in the playoffs, too. It happens

It’s a very good point. Andrews had a very very bad quarter at a horrific moment. It happens. 

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, playaction said:

86 made the first down, but left to much in the ref's discretion. 

More strength to bust through was required

 

It seems to me Dalton Kincaid needs to get healthy and hit the weight room and get a bit of a meaner attitude.

I think there are a few other players that need to do the same thing.

In no way am I ready to give up on him.

 

Maybe this is why the training staff has changed.

[OldTimer1960]

On 3/15/2025 at 7:33 PM, Homelander said:

 

Where are the subwoofers?🤓

19 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I wonder if we could package Kincaid + 5th and get a 3rd from someone?

 

Knox is being paid like a TE1 and IMO is more than capable of the role. 
 

We haven’t utilized Kincaid to his strengths

 

If this were to happen, bring back Q.Morris and sign Mo Alie Cox. He would be great in 12 personnel and is underrated as a pass catcher

 

Ideally we then use the 3rd on someone like WR Dont’e Thornton. Only 22.  6’5 215 runs a 4.3

 

In summary, we get tougher, bigger in 12 personnel and we get a home run speed threat

Kincaid caught 44 passes last year while playing hurt and people complain- and you want to trade him for little to draft a WR who hasn’t caught 44 passes in the last two seasons?

[HappyDays]

39 minutes ago, Logic said:

But looking at his rookie year, then his sophomore year, and somehow concluding that he doesn't have what it takes to succeed and talk about dealing him for a third...I can't get behind that line of thinking.

 

Just to explain myself on this - I am not usually one for trading players early, especially for a team like us where talent is more valuable than draft picks because our championship window is now. The difference for me with Kincaid is I see nothing to build on, physically or mentally. By the end of the season the team clearly had lost trust in him. They reverted back to his rookie year usage with quick passes/low air yards, instead preferring to use Knox on anything downfield. And yes I'll admit part of my feelings come because of that final play in the AFCCG.

 

So he doesn't physically dominate, he frequently isn't on the same page with his QB, his understanding of NFL leverage and reading the defense is below average, and he choked in a critical moment. So what exactly are we building on? What is the upside? Any optimism about Kincaid is 100% projection with no proof of concept at the NFL level. He can still turn out to be a solid player but to me that's his ceiling and I'd easily take a 3rd rounder for a solid player at a non-premium position.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Just to explain myself on this - I am not usually one for trading players early, especially for a team like us where talent is more valuable than draft picks because our championship window is now. The difference for me with Kincaid is I see nothing to build on, physically or mentally. By the end of the season the team clearly had lost trust in him. They reverted back to his rookie year usage with quick passes/low air yards, instead preferring to use Knox on anything downfield. And yes I'll admit part of my feelings come because of that final play in the AFCCG.

 

So he doesn't physically dominate, he frequently isn't on the same page with his QB, his understanding of NFL leverage and reading the defense is below average, and he choked in a critical moment. So what exactly are we building on? What is the upside? Any optimism about Kincaid is 100% projection with no proof of concept at the NFL level. He can still turn out to be a solid player but to me that's his ceiling and I'd easily take a 3rd rounder for a solid player at a non-premium position.

Hes also going to be 26 next season, and after this season a decision will need to be made on his fifth year option.

 

the odds of the Bills picking up that fifth year option have to be pretty low, relatively speaking, right?

[TheFunPolice]

13 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Where are the subwoofers?🤓

Kincaid caught 44 passes last year while playing hurt and people complain- and you want to trade him for little to draft a WR who hasn’t caught 44 passes in the last two seasons?

 

Big # 92 and big #93 lined up at DT was one of the most beautiful sights I've ever seen on a Bills defense. 

 

Too many teams lack the massive DT. Then if they get one they figure they have that spot filled. But that Bills team doubled down on greatness!