Free Agency Rumor Thread

[Turbo44]

52 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I wonder if we could package Kincaid + 5th and get a 3rd from someone?

 

Knox is being paid like a TE1 and IMO is more than capable of the role. 
 

We haven’t utilized Kincaid to his strengths

 

If this were to happen, bring back Q.Morris and sign Mo Alie Cox. He would be great in 12 personnel and is underrated as a pass catcher

 

Ideally we then use the 3rd on someone like WR Dont’e Thornton. Only 22.  6’5 215 runs a 4.3

 

In summary, we get tougher, bigger in 12 personnel and we get a home run speed threat

Maybe Knox and a 5th for a 3rd. Give Kinkaid a little rope - he had the best season ever for a Bills TEnas a rookie and played on 2 and knees last year. Kinkaid should have made the catch on 4th down, so I’m not letting him off of that 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Maybe Knox and a 5th for a 3rd. Give Kinkaid a little rope - he had the best season ever for a Bills TEnas a rookie and played on 2 and knees last year. Kinkaid should have made the catch on 4th down, so I’m not letting him off of that 

I don’t see him as ever a TE that scares defense with his downfield pass catching. He was/is supposed to be that

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Maybe Knox and a 5th for a 3rd. Give Kinkaid a little rope - he had the best season ever for a Bills TEnas a rookie and played on 2 and knees last year. Kinkaid should have made the catch on 4th down, so I’m not letting him off of that 

 

While the bar is low, Kincaid's rookie year actually sucked.

 

He averaged a truly pathetic, RB-like 9 yards per catch with just 2 TD's.   Which means he wasn't producing between the 20's OR the redzone.

 

Knox is not a great TE either but his 127.8 passer rating when targeted in 21' was 30 points higher than Kincaid's best.  AND Knox had 9 TD's that year.  

 

And if it seems like Kincaid just can't seem get past the sticks......it's because he can't.   In the two prior years before Kincaid arrived a pass completed to Knox had a 58% likelihood to produce a first down.   A completed pass to Kincaid has resulted in a first down just 44% of the time.  

 

Dalton Kincaid has truly sucked so far.  Sometimes it takes until year 3 for a TE to breakout but banking on it would be a mistake.

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

While the bar is low, Kincaid's rookie year actually sucked.

 

He averaged a truly pathetic, RB-like 9 yards per catch with just 2 TD's.   Which means he wasn't producing between the 20's OR the redzone.

 

Knox is not a great TE either but his 127.8 passer rating when targeted in 21' was 30 points higher than Kincaid's best.  AND Knox had 9 TD's that year.  

 

And if it seems like Kincaid just can't seem get past the sticks......it's because he can't.   In the two prior years before Kincaid arrived a pass completed to Knox had a 58% likelihood to produce a first down.   A completed pass to Kincaid has resulted in a first down just 44% of the time.  

 

Dalton Kincaid has truly sucked so far.  Sometimes it takes until year 3 for a TE to breakout but banking on it would be a mistake.

I wouldn't go as far to say he "has truly sucked so far".

 

I would say he has not lived up to his draft status.  As you said, this year will be the true test.  He has so much potential still, it would really help this team if he could get take a huge step in 2025/and get huge (more bulked) while at it.  

 

Knox is a solid TE who has always struggled with injury issues dating back to Ole Miss.  We just don't have the talent outside at WR to effectively run a 21 personell to our advantage.  Going to end up wasting a solid TE combo because of that.  Instead we roll with Alec Anderson, because he gives us a mismatch in run game/ability to playaction.

[thenorthremembers]

4 hours ago, Since1981 said:

LOL. Rogers. Does KC need a backup QB to destroy like a parasite 🦠 from within? MN is nuts if they take Rogers. 

Minnesota just needs to see if McCarthy can play.   Its the perfect year to let a rookie QB play to see if you have anything in him.  If he looks like a dumpster fire you are in the Manning sweepstakes. 

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Dalton Kincaid has truly sucked so far.  Sometimes it takes until year 3 for a TE to breakout but banking on it would be a mistake.

 

I don't know that I'd bank on it. But I don't think I'd consider it so impossible that I'd get rid of him for just a Round 5 to Round 3 swap of picks either. If that's the best we can do, I'd rather give him another year.

[RichRiderBills]

I think Kincaid regressed from one of the best rookie seasons for a TE in NFL history. I agree 2024 was not the season we hoped for. 

 

But ...To say he's sucked so far is such a bad take. 

[BillsFanForever19]

21 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I think Kincaid regressed from one of the best rookie seasons for a TE in NFL history. I agree 2024 was not the season we hoped for. 

 

But ...To say he's sucked so far is such a bad take. 

 

I don't know why you're thumbs downing my post. Do you want to trade him? Bc I was against the idea. 

Edited 15 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

I think Kincaid regressed from one of the best rookie seasons for a TE in NFL history. I agree 2024 was not the season we hoped for. 

 

But ...To say he's sucked so far is such a bad take. 

He played through the knee injury when Josh made a terrible pass.. agree he’s been ok. Preposterous to suggest he’s even close to a bust. The Bills score 30 points a game with multiple athletes.. he will contribute and being healthy I expect a good year. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I don't know that I'd bank on it. But I don't think I'd consider it so impossible that I'd get rid of him for just a Round 5 to Round 3 swap of picks either. If that's the best we can do, I'd rather give him another year.

 

Yeah there is little point in trading Kincaid for anything less than a straight-up day 2 pick at this point,  IMO.   As I said, the key season in TE development is typically year 3 so they just need to hope he got the message in his exit interview and the thinly veiled criticism they've made of him to the media.   I'd love to draft a 2026 Knox replacement in April.  A real full-capacity TE.  But going into the season with just Knox.......the low level backup quality Morris........and a rookie.......is not a great spot to be in when they already don't really pose much of a matchup threat at WR.   

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Maybe Knox and a 5th for a 3rd. Give Kinkaid a little rope - he had the best season ever for a Bills TEnas a rookie and played on 2 and knees last year. Kinkaid should have made the catch on 4th down, so I’m not letting him off of that 

Knox is going nowhere 

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

I think Kincaid regressed from one of the best rookie seasons for a TE in NFL history. I agree 2024 was not the season we hoped for. 

 

But ...To say he's sucked so far is such a bad take. 

Such a disappointing season

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

I think Kincaid regressed from one of the best rookie seasons for a TE in NFL history. I agree 2024 was not the season we hoped for. 

 

But ...To say he's sucked so far is such a bad take. 

 

 

Kincaid entered the NFL as a TE in name only.  Comparing his production to real TE rookie seasons is the bad take.   He was put in the slot and fed the Cole Beasley diet as a 24 year old rookie and that lead to a bunch of catches but no yac and no red zone impact.   He literally put up numbers that got Cole Beasley cut after the 2021 season.   He supposedly had the best hands in the draft in 2023 but he had a woeful second season filled with big drops and an inability to make a contested catch.   This is a guy they traded UP for in the first round.  Yeah,  he has sucked to this point.   He needs to get A LOT better at EVERYTHING a TE is asked to do in his age 26 season. 

[GolfandBills]

Not impressed by Kincaid very much.  Seems a little soft to me.  

[Kelly to Allen]

9 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Not impressed by Kincaid very much.  Seems a little soft to me.  

 

I was a huge fan of the pick but he's got to really take it to another level this year.  He was banged up so it's whatever 

 

It's very important for him to be a viable number 2 option 

Edited 12 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Kirby Jackson]

In the last 2 drafts, the Bills used the 25th pick and 33rd pick on Kincaid and Coleman. They combined for 73 receptions, on 132 targets for 1.004 yards and 6 TDs. That’s abysmal. They EACH should be doing that!! For context, rookie Brian Thomas Jr. caught 83 of 133 targets for 1,282 yards and 10 TDs.

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

While the bar is low, Kincaid's rookie year actually sucked.

 

He averaged a truly pathetic, RB-like 9 yards per catch with just 2 TD's.   Which means he wasn't producing between the 20's OR the redzone.

 

Knox is not a great TE either but his 127.8 passer rating when targeted in 21' was 30 points higher than Kincaid's best.  AND Knox had 9 TD's that year.  

 

And if it seems like Kincaid just can't seem get past the sticks......it's because he can't.   In the two prior years before Kincaid arrived a pass completed to Knox had a 58% likelihood to produce a first down.   A completed pass to Kincaid has resulted in a first down just 44% of the time.  

 

Dalton Kincaid has truly sucked so far.  Sometimes it takes until year 3 for a TE to breakout but banking on it would be a mistake.

 

And the O just looks more explosive when Dawson is out there. He is definitely a bigger threat once the ball is in his hands and he just seems better at finding space in traffic downfield. It's a big year for Dalton - but I'd certainly be open to a trade if there was one out there that made sense. Think Knox much better suits what Brady wants to do.

[Ya Digg?]

14 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I wonder if we could package Kincaid + 5th and get a 3rd from someone?

 

Knox is being paid like a TE1 and IMO is more than capable of the role. 
 

We haven’t utilized Kincaid to his strengths

 

If this were to happen, bring back Q.Morris and sign Mo Alie Cox. He would be great in 12 personnel and is underrated as a pass catcher

 

Ideally we then use the 3rd on someone like WR Dont’e Thornton. Only 22.  6’5 215 runs a 4.3

 

In summary, we get tougher, bigger in 12 personnel and we get a home run speed threat

See this is why fans aren’t GMs. We go through this every year-people want to trade away guys when their value is at its lowest. It makes absolutely no sense to trade Kincaid at this point 

[SectionC3]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Kincaid entered the NFL as a TE in name only.  Comparing his production to real TE rookie seasons is the bad take.   He was put in the slot and fed the Cole Beasley diet as a 24 year old rookie and that lead to a bunch of catches but no yac and no red zone impact.   He literally put up numbers that got Cole Beasley cut after the 2021 season.   He supposedly had the best hands in the draft in 2023 but he had a woeful second season filled with big drops and an inability to make a contested catch.   This is a guy they traded UP for in the first round.  Yeah,  he has sucked to this point.   He needs to get A LOT better at EVERYTHING a TE is asked to do in his age 26 season. 

Let's start with the hands.  They hurt us last year.  A lot.  

[Magox]

I expect Dalton to have his best year yet.   He has a couple things going on last year, injuries and for whatever reason he and Josh couldn’t get on the same page.  There were multiple times off the top of my head where Josh over threw him on the down the field plays.  
 

Remember the play that he ended up missing a wide open Kincaid that would have been a 27 yd TD?

 

https://www.nfl.com/videos/josh-allen-misses-golden-opportunity-for-28-yard-td-pass-to-kincaid

 

If memory serves me right Kincaid suffered a knee injury and missed a few games and was hobbled for a few more as a result of this play

[finn]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

In the last 2 drafts, the Bills used the 25th pick and 33rd pick on Kincaid and Coleman. They combined for 73 receptions, on 132 targets for 1.004 yards and 6 TDs. That’s abysmal. They EACH should be doing that!! For context, rookie Brian Thomas Jr. caught 83 of 133 targets for 1,282 yards and 10 TDs.

And that's with a mediocre (but generational!) quarterback throwing to him. 

 

As others have said, Beane might have tried and failed to find a trading partner to land Thomas. But maybe he should have looked higher up in the draft, packaging a third instead of the fourth he might have been offering, or even a third AND fourth. Would you trade Coleman, Ray Davis, and DeWayne Carter for Thomas? Would you trade Kincaid, Torrence, and Dorian Williams for a lockdown corner in Christian Gonzales? 

 

All these years, Beane has been choosing quantity over quality. In his mind, better three pretty good players instead of one great one. So what does he have? A pretty good team and a pretty good coach to go with an incandescently great quarterback. It shows you the greatness of Allen that he's taken the team as far as he has with no help. In fact, in the clutch, his teammates aren't even "pretty good": the receivers drop passes, the kicker chokes, the defense doesn't show up, and his coaches are unprepared and utterly predictable.

 

Beane's response: Bring in more pretty good players. Maybe the pretty good coaches will develop them. 

 

He...just...doesn't...get it. Allen needs Brian Thomas, not Keon Coleman. He needs Brock Bowers, not Dalton Kincaid. He needs Micah Parsons, not Hamlin and Oliver and Bernard and Epenesa.

 

Message to Beane: You have TEN picks in this draft. Forget "pretty good." Do your job and get an elite player.