Free Agency Rumor Thread

[Coach Tuesday]

3 hours ago, transient said:

 

 

You’re all a baunch of knuckleheads. 

Look at you coming out formunda nowhere!

[Mikie2times]

41 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No offense to you, but i'm really tired of hearing this argument.

 

If not for multiple self induced mistakes by the Ravens and completely relying on James Cook, we wouldn't have made it to the Chiefs. You say that we were 3 points away from the Super Bowl. I say that we didn't have enough offensive firepower to beat them. If not for James Cook playing like a psychopath in the 2nd half and Mack Hollins (who isn't here anymore) playing the best game of his life - we wouldn't have even been in the position to have Dalton Kincaid fail us when the game was on the line.

 

And if we had pulled it off? We would have been DECIMATED by the Eagles, just like the healthier Chiefs who had a better built roster than we did. We had no business doing what we did last season with the roster we had. It's the #1 reason why Josh Allen won the MVP. It wasn't because he was so clearly better than Lamar. It's because he did what he did with a roster that was perceived as severely lacking compared to the kind of help Lamar had. The Eagles supremely built roster playing their best ball would have been no match for us. And we shouldn't rely on Josh Allen to play at that kind of MVP level to overcome the inadequacies of our roster every year. And as we've seen multiple times, even with that kind of superhero play from your QB, that only gets you to knocking on the door of a Super Bowl appearance. If you want to get in and win, you need more than that.

 

We needed to greatly improve this roster to not only overcome the Chiefs, but to be able to stand toe to toe with the Eagles. Because the goal isn't overcoming the Chiefs. The goal is to hoist a Lombardi. And as things stand, we still have a ways to go to get back to even the kind of roster we had last season. Outside of Joey Bosa (who's a risky pickup given his injury history) replacing Von Miller and Joshua Palmer (who's a 570 yard average WR to date) replacing Mack Hollins - we have nothing to show in terms of improvement for Week 1. And we have spots like DT and CB that have even taken a step back, or more. Even WR, we're maybe *slightly* better than we were when we had to make a move midseason for Cooper (who's spot we also have yet to replace) bc it wasn't enough.

I think we lose that Ravens game at home about 7 of 10 and on the road about 9 of 10. McD had a very good first half. We forced critical turnovers, as we did most the year, but the second half felt like we were holding onto a tree in a tornado. The clock ran out it couldn't have happened soon enough. As you pointed out, we haven't even made the Super Bowl. So this notion that we get by the Chiefs and somehow that's all that's needed, it's just so far off base. The Bengals would have likely taken us out post 13 seconds as we showed no answers to that era's Bengals squads.  We will have them, Ravens, Texans, Cheifs, in addition to improving Chargers and AFC East. That is just the mess to play in the game. Forget about winning the damn thing.  Our team is basically a 100% run it back at this point. Which is a divisional round team unless we see some major progression from some of our younger players or crush the draft.

Edited Sunday at 10:01 PM by Mikie2times

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

I do not see the  Perennial starter on the Team yet , but perhaps McBeanes does in Ingram or Jackson. Hope Bills have some reasonable options up their sleeves ! is Benford signed yet ? He has some risk with head injuries i read .

As much as the D line needs two delineated starters this CB  situation poses a problem. Perhaps and penultimate and pernicious paradigm

sorry had to

Becoming less concerned about getting that bona fide Boundary receiver , and more of securing and upgrading the Defense asap

 

Benford hasn't been extended yet. Probably bc he and his agent have looked at the market and have a price set that is top of the market. If you look at the kind of deals Beane does, they're often team friendly deals that are either in the moment a good price for us and especially after a year - looks like an underpay. The types of players who are willing to take that get done quick. The types of players that are looking for top market dollar either take time or don't get done. 

 

As for who it will be opposite Benford, you're right. It really isn't on the roster right now. And the options that are floating out there right now are a couple guys I don't see as fits and/or are more than we can afford. So you're likely looking at a scenario where we Draft a CB high and hope he can step in and play at a high level immediately, with Dane Jackson being a low level starter insurance policy if they can't. Chidobe Awuzie is the one guy I look at on the market right now that I would be looking into if I were Beane. I think he represents a higher floor than Jackson provides us and wouldn't break the bank like a Samuel would.

Edited Sunday at 11:25 PM by BillsFanForever19

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No offense to you, but i'm really tired of hearing this argument.

 

If not for multiple self induced mistakes by the Ravens and completely relying on James Cook, we wouldn't have made it to the Chiefs. You say that we were 3 points away from the Super Bowl. I say that we didn't have enough offensive firepower to beat them. If not for James Cook playing like a psychopath in the 2nd half and Mack Hollins (who isn't here anymore) playing the best game of his life - we wouldn't have even been in the position to have Dalton Kincaid fail us when the game was on the line.

 

And if we had pulled it off? We would have been DECIMATED by the Eagles, just like the healthier Chiefs who had a better built roster than we did. We had no business doing what we did last season with the roster we had. It's the #1 reason why Josh Allen won the MVP. It wasn't because he was so clearly better than Lamar. It's because he did what he did with a roster that was perceived as severely lacking compared to the kind of help Lamar had. The Eagles supremely built roster playing their best ball would have been no match for us. And we shouldn't rely on Josh Allen to play at that kind of MVP level to overcome the inadequacies of our roster every year. And as we've seen multiple times, even with that kind of superhero play from your QB, that only gets you to knocking on the door of a Super Bowl appearance. If you want to get in and win, you need to get him help. On both sides of the ball.

 

We needed to greatly improve this roster to not only overcome the Chiefs, but to be able to stand toe to toe with the Eagles. Because the goal isn't overcoming the Chiefs. The goal is to hoist a Lombardi. And as things stand, we still have a ways to go to get back to even the kind of roster we had last season. Outside of Joey Bosa (who's a risky pickup given his injury history) replacing Von Miller and Joshua Palmer (who's a 570 yard average WR to date) replacing Mack Hollins - we have nothing to show in terms of improvement for Week 1. And we have spots like DT and CB that have even taken a step back, or more. Even WR, we're maybe *slightly* better than we were when we had to make a move midseason for Cooper (who's spot we also have yet to replace) bc it wasn't enough.

Eagles suck.  Couldn't even beat the Falcons.  I agree with all your points and it's why I banged the drum for Metcalf as he was the only true difference maker that we could've realistically obtained in this free agent cycle.  For Beane to completely shift philosophies like the poster inclined isn't the answer either considering we've gone to the divisional round five straight years.  Tweaking would be a better word for it. 

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

We just lost the AFC Championship game by three points against a healthier Chiefs team.  You make it seemed like we're doomed to never make the Super Bowl if Beane doesn't make some drastic change in philosophy.

 

It doesn't matter what they did last year.  Question to ask is why will they be better next year?  UFA is over and they've once again tweaked the roster, but having done that the previous 4 off-seasons, it didn't lead to greater post-season success.

 

Those who love swimming at the surface reviewing the AFC CG conveniently forget or are that obtuse that Buffalo was faced with 14 third downs, converted 5, needed 4 4th down conversions and as such had a heck of a time against Spagnuolo (again).  That's 4 losses to KC in 5 years and just expecting the Chiefs to get worse so Buffalo can win is not a plan.  

 

Have to answer the question: how did the Bills set any distance between themselves and the Chiefs or anyone else in the AFC this off-season?  I don't see it and draft picks aren't likely to provide further margin, particularly with them set to take another CB or DT in RD1-2.    

[BillsFanForever19]

29 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Eagles suck.  Couldn't even beat the Falcons.

 

This is like saying the Bills suck because we barely beat the Jets by 3 and lost badly to the Texans. Or that we're clearly better than the Chiefs because we can always beat them in the Regular season.

 

When it mattered, there was nothing "suck" about the Eagles. They came together at the end of the season and especially in the Super Bowl were downright unstoppable. We face that team with the roster we have and we're gonna get smoked. Top to bottom that roster was probably the most stacked in the entire league. 

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

This is like saying the Bills suck because we barely beat the Jets by 3 and lost badly to the Texans. Or that we're clearly better than the Chiefs because we can always beat them in the Regular season.

 

When it mattered, there was nothing "suck" about the Eagles. They came together at the end of the season and especially in the Super Bowl were downright unstoppable. We face that team with the roster we have and we're gonna get smoked. Top to bottom that roster was probably the most stacked in the entire league. 

Your point is well-taken but I also think the Eagles played the game of their lives in the SB. 
 

I don’t think the Bills would’ve won facing that group, but by the same token, I think if they play the Chiefs 10 times, that outcome only happens once. 

[BillsFanForever19]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Your point is well-taken but I also think the Eagles played the game of their lives in the SB. 
 

I don’t think the Bills would’ve won facing that group, but by the same token, I think if they play the Chiefs 10 times, that outcome only happens once. 

 

The Eagles went 18-3 last season. After starting the season 2-2, they went 16-1 over their last 17 games. And that 1 loss was by 3 points to the team they would go on to dismantle 55-23 in the NFC Championship game.

 

They definitely played the game of their lives in the Super Bowl. But I don't think the Chiefs beat them 9 times out of 10. Not with the team that they built.

Edited Sunday at 11:34 PM by BillsFanForever19

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The Eagles went 18-3 last season. After starting the season 2-2, they went 16-1 over their last 17 games. And that 1 loss was by 3 points to the team they would go on to dismantle 55-23 in the NFC Championship game.

 

They definitely played the game of their lives in the Super Bowl. But I don't think the Chiefs beat them 9 times out of 10. Not with the team that they built.

I'm guessing he means the Eagles only steamroll them once.

[FireChans]

34 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

The Eagles went 18-3 last season. After starting the season 2-2, they went 16-1 over their last 17 games. And that 1 loss was by 3 points to the team they would go on to dismantle 55-23 in the NFC Championship game.

 

They definitely played the game of their lives in the Super Bowl. But I don't think the Chiefs beat them 9 times out of 10. Not with the team that they built.

I don’t think the Chiefs beat them 9/10. I just meant I don’t think they dominate and destroy the Chiefs by 40 9/10 times either. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

This is like saying the Bills suck because we barely beat the Jets by 3 and lost badly to the Texans. Or that we're clearly better than the Chiefs because we can always beat them in the Regular season.

 

When it mattered, there was nothing "suck" about the Eagles. They came together at the end of the season and especially in the Super Bowl were downright unstoppable. We face that team with the roster we have and we're gonna get smoked. Top to bottom that roster was probably the most stacked in the entire league. 

Your football takes are good.  Your ability to comprehend a joke isn't as strong.  Of course the Eagles don't suck.  They just won the Super Bowl.

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

Have to answer the question: how did the Bills set any distance between themselves and the Chiefs or anyone else in the AFC this off-season?  I don't see it and draft picks aren't likely to provide further margin, particularly with them set to take another CB or DT in RD1-2.    

I say this every year after free agency.  Let's see what this roster looks like in September.

Edited Monday at 12:18 AM by Doc Brown

[BillsFanForever19]

45 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Your football takes are good.  Your ability to comprehend a joke isn't as strong.  Of course the Eagles don't suck.  They just won the Super Bowl.

 

Yeah, I definitely own that. I can't tell serious from joking via text worth a f-ck lol

 

50 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I don’t think the Chiefs beat them 9/10. I just meant I don’t think they dominate and destroy the Chiefs by 40 9/10 times either. 

 

Ah, gotcha. That's fair.

[3rdand12]

23 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Benford hasn't been extended yet. Probably bc he and his agent have looked at the market and have a price set that is top of the market. If you look at the kind of deals Beane does, they're often team friendly deals that are either in the moment a good price for us and especially after a year - looks like an underpay. The types of players who are willing to take that get done quick. The types of players that are looking for top market dollar either take time or don't get done. 

 

As for who it will be opposite Benford, you're right. It really isn't on the roster right now. And the options that are floating out there right now are a couple guys I don't see as fits and/or are more than we can afford. So you're likely looking at a scenario where we Draft a CB high and hope he can step in and play at a high level immediately, with Dane Jackson being a low level starter insurance policy if they can't. Chidobe Awuzie is the one guy I look at on the market right now that I would be looking into if I were Beane. I think he represents a higher floor than Jackson provides us and wouldn't break the bank like a Samuel would.

Thanks for the notes !

I would pass on Samuel as I know a little. But nothing about your guy so will trust ya on that.

Benford has all the leverage I think here. But I would love to keep him around even with the concussion scare. Beane is probably locked onto him regardless.

Dane and Ingram are the baseline and god bless them both. But CB quickly became important with slim pickens left in FA.

 

22 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

It doesn't matter what they did last year.  Question to ask is why will they be better next year?  UFA is over and they've once again tweaked the roster, but having done that the previous 4 off-seasons, it didn't lead to greater post-season success.

 

Those who love swimming at the surface reviewing the AFC CG conveniently forget or are that obtuse that Buffalo was faced with 14 third downs, converted 5, needed 4 4th down conversions and as such had a heck of a time against Spagnuolo (again).  That's 4 losses to KC in 5 years and just expecting the Chiefs to get worse so Buffalo can win is not a plan.  

 

Have to answer the question: how did the Bills set any distance between themselves and the Chiefs or anyone else in the AFC this off-season?  I don't see it and draft picks aren't likely to provide further margin, particularly with them set to take another CB or DT in RD1-2.    

Second full year under Brady and Babich ?

New and highly touted ST Coach ?

 Shifted a couple other Coaches around as well too start.

 Its okay to expect Coleman and Kincaid to be healthy

Improve the Dline so the back seven can play more free might reap some sincere dividends.

Honest comments from me BillsVet 👍

[Low Positive]

Russ to the Giants: https://www.si.com/nfl/russell-wilson-join-giants-one-year-deal

[Warriorspikes51]

If we don’t get Asante, I’d be happy with Rasul on a 1 year deal