Cap Space Thread

[Richard Noggin]

10 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

That's a very simplistic way to look at it though. Like this year we put up 29 points in the playoffs vs one of the top defenses in the league and I believe had been the only team to score 30+ on them all season while allowing 32 points to a mediocre offense. 

 

The defense has let us down in the playoffs every single season of this era. That's where the real problem lies. 

 

You're not really wrong at all here. But as is usually the case, more than one thing can be true. The defense has absolutely been a major problem in all the Bills recent playoff losses. The biggest problem. But also, the offense HAS failed to go win the game when given the ball at the end for two playoff exits in a row. What's their go-to way to drive and score points against the best when it's all on the line? It's been unclear.

[BillsFanForever19]

Gotta be honest - I'm a little concerned when it comes to the Cap. 

 

Extensions in a vacuum provide more this year. But if we're getting someone big, we're going to have to push the big numbers into years that follow. And Bernard and Rousseau are guys I wouldn't have put on the books for bigger numbers in 2026, 2027, and so on. 

 

If we extend Benford (as we should) and/or Cook - then we're really cutting into things in future years. To me, one of the things that we'd need to do to get one (or more) of the bigger ticket items this offseason was probably not re-signing most of these guys. And he seems to want to bring them all back.

[Warriorspikes51]

Well there you have it everyone

 

we can’t sign anyone 😂

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, KOKBILLS said:

Spotrac does not have the Groot deal figured in yet... Groot was set to count 13.387M and the Bills were 8.421M over before the deal. So it's safe to say at this point they are slightly under the Cap. 

 

guys its looked like this for a couple weeks now. 

Edited 13 hours ago by PrimeTime101

[BillsFanForever19]

45 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Well there you have it everyone

 

we can’t sign anyone 😂

 

You're putting words in my mouth. That's not what I said.

 

What I said is it is slightly concerning or eyebrow raising to see him tie up such a slice of the pie in future years on bringing back so many of these players. 

 

Especially given that his MO that he has been raked over the coals for years over is re-signing good to pretty good players at the cost of bringing in great players. It's starting to feel like more of the same. And I'm far from the only one worried that he's falling into the same patterns. 

 

We'll see what happens. Hoping for the best. But add a Benford and/or Cook in there and we're taking up a large portion of the pie in the later years where we'd be pushing the big numbers for bigger pieces via Trade this year. 

Edited 13 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You're putting words in my mouth. That's not what I said.

 

What I said is it is slightly concerning or eyebrow raising to see him tie up such a slice of the pie in future years on bringing back so many of these players. 

 

Especially given that his MO that he has been raked over the coals for years over is re-signing good to pretty good players at the cost of bringing in great players. It's starting to feel like more of the same. And I'm far from the only one worried that he's falling into the same patterns. 

 

We'll see what happens. Hoping for the best. But add a Benford and/or Cook in there and we're taking up a large portion of the pie in the later years where we'd be pushing the big numbers for bigger pieces via Trade this year. 

if the cap never went up, I would agree with this. However since the cap will be going up around 90 million over the next 3 years…

 

Fretting over extending your own solid players at less than current market value seems like complete absurdity

[Chandler#81]

13 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

There’s no way to calculate cap space until the contract details of all these extensions come out. Were just gonna have to sit tight until then. Also it’s worth looking at cash spend at that point too.

Wrong.

 

if Brandon Beane says we’re 4 mil over, we’re 4 mil over. gitwiththeprogram

[The Cincinnati Kid]

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Mmm there it is. Numbers.

This has “Get in there nice and deep like” vibes. 😂 

[Orlando Buffalo]

5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

if the cap never went up, I would agree with this. However since the cap will be going up around 90 million over the next 3 years…

 

Fretting over extending your own solid players at less than current market value seems like complete absurdity

I know you are mostly likely correct that the cap will keep going up steeply but if for some reason it does not keep moving at that pace this might bite us in the butt, hopefully we already have a couple of Lombardis at that point, but it could hurt

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Agree, but also have to consider the offense failed to score on their last possessions the last two playoff losses, which could/should have sealed a win.  

Fair point.  

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

They can do both doesn’t have to be one or the other.  

True.  I just don’t see us paying 2 elite players and draft picks are rarely elite year 1-2

[artmalibu]

14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They have starting openings. They NEED top 100 players. They don’t need guys; they need dudes. Everybody eats is fun and can make for a good team. You need stars to win championships. The Bills have 1 of the top 90 players in football right now. They need 4 when the season kicks off (Dawkins probably makes 2). The top of the roster needs to get better. 

 

Cooper is #70 on the list, so we had 3...  If we kept Poyer we would have had 4.  I dont this Poyer would have moved the needle much, if at all.  

 

The top 100 list is kinda BS.  Hill is the #1 player in the league?  Lamar is # 2?  McCaffery # 3 ?  They are not even the best players at their positions.  By your logic the Bills should try to trade JA # 12 on the list to the Cowboys for Dak #14 and Parsons #17.  That would be a + 1  of players on the list.   

 

The offence scored the second most points, so they dont need much.  Adding the man coverage beater is the only glaring issue.  Is resigning Cooper and drafting a WR the answer, maybe.  The D needs some help, but 2 DTs could be a big step, They could greatly improve the run defense,  keep the LBs cleaner to make plays, and would likely help the pass rush.  

 

Adding stars is always sexy but requires a lot of resources.  We would all love to see the Bills get Myles but with the draft capital and salary it may require, there may be nothing left to address the DT position or the outside CB position.  At this time there is 1 starting CB on the last year of his deal and no other starter on the roster....

 

 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

Cooper is #70 on the list, so we had 3...  If we kept Poyer we would have had 4.  I dont this Poyer would have moved the needle much, if at all.  

 

The top 100 list is kinda BS.  Hill is the #1 player in the league?  Lamar is # 2?  McCaffery # 3 ?  They are not even the best players at their positions.  By your logic the Bills should try to trade JA # 12 on the list to the Cowboys for Dak #14 and Parsons #17.  That would be a + 1  of players on the list.   

 

The offence scored the second most points, so they dont need much.  Adding the man coverage beater is the only glaring issue.  Is resigning Cooper and drafting a WR the answer, maybe.  The D needs some help, but 2 DTs could be a big step, They could greatly improve the run defense,  keep the LBs cleaner to make plays, and would likely help the pass rush.  

 

Adding stars is always sexy but requires a lot of resources.  We would all love to see the Bills get Myles but with the draft capital and salary it may require, there may be nothing left to address the DT position or the outside CB position.  At this time there is 1 starting CB on the last year of his deal and no other starter on the roster....

 

 

 

 

I’m sorry, to clarify, I’m not just referring to the players list. There are some others but, by most metrics, the Bills had 2 (3 if you count Cooper). Spencer Brown is cuspy and Benford is probably too.
 

Maybe said differently, you need a bunch of guys in the top 10 at their position and a handful that are top 5. The top 10 guys are “top 3rd ish” at their position (of starters). Top 5 would be top 15%. Right now the Bills have a few guys between 5-10 (McGovern, maybe Bernard, Shakir in the slot, maybe Oliver, Brown, Benford, Cook) and only 2 top 5 (Josh and Dion). Now they have the most important position covered but they need less “quality role players” like Rapp or Edwards and more top 5 guys. This isn’t an overreaction to Philly’s elite roster either. I’ve always believed this. They need a couple of dudes alongside Josh. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

As of now it looks like were just about 850K over the cap but were most likely a little bit under the cap since Beane said at the presser that the numbers were off at the time. So I did simple conversions on Dion Dawkins, Matt Milano, Ed Oliver and either convert or extend Allen and extend McGovern and we should free up about 41.3M I did a simple extension on Allen since I have no clue what a contract would look like for him but I'd think it would free up even more with a true extension on him. This is why I don't necessarily think the cap is not real but it can be manipulated every year and we have no excuses to be going for it each and every year (I don't mean blindly picking up old washed up free agents) calculated free agents who would help get us a ring.

 

Out of all the free agents we have a legit pass rusher that just fell into our laps, all we'd have to do is pay him (No draft picks givewn up) in Harold Landry, 9/10.5/12 sacks the last 3 seasons and has not missed a single game the past 3 seasons either. This is the guy i hope the Bills acquire if they can't land the big fish (Garrett or Hendrickson). 

[boater]

If the salary cap were as imaginary as some posters here make it out to be, New Orleans would be tremendously relieved. As it is, the Saints are in salary cap hell, stuck with mediocre but expensive players and no relief coming anytime soon.

 

Sure, the salary cap is an illusion. /s

[Low Positive]

Just now, boater said:

If the salary cap were as imaginary as some posters here make it out to be, New Orleans would be tremendously relieved. As it is, the Saints are in salary cap hell, stuck with mediocre but expensive players and no relief coming anytime soon.

 

Sure, the salary cap is an illusion. /s

And yet they field a team and sign FAs every year. Also, if the cap is "real," explain the Eagles. They have a top-five paid QB, two top WR contracts, and a highly-paid OL and DL. My understanding is that the cap should prevent this and force them to get rid of Devonta Smith. And yet they just signed him to a HUGE extension last offseason. We know how they do it, but they prove that if you have an owner with enough cash the cap is really just accounting. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, boater said:

If the salary cap were as imaginary as some posters here make it out to be, New Orleans would be tremendously relieved. As it is, the Saints are in salary cap hell, stuck with mediocre but expensive players and no relief coming anytime soon.

 

Sure, the salary cap is an illusion. /s

 

The cap is real.  Pushing a huge amount of cap out in the future always has consequences.  

IMO the Saints should have tanked and cleared that future cap a few years ago after Brees left.

They kept trying to do it and now are in the bad situation you described.

 

That being said, while I am very conservative with the cap, I do believe it's time for Beane to make a push with Josh in his prime!

Beane could open a 4-year window to get a couple of Lombardi's with smart cap moves.

[boater]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The cap is real.  Pushing a huge amount of cap out in the future always has consequences.  

IMO the Saints should have tanked and cleared that future cap a few years ago after Brees left.

They kept trying to do it and now are in the bad situation you described.

 

That being said, while I am very conservative with the cap, I do believe it's time for Beane to make a push with Josh in his prime!

Beane could open a 4-year window to get a couple of Lombardi's with smart cap moves.

 

Absolutely. Tank years are a legit strategy. Especially if you time it to hit a draft strong in QBs.

[Shaw66]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

We need stars on defense imo  The defense is the biggest contributor to our season ending every season.  The pass rush more specifically.  When the chiefs lose in the playoffs, it’s due to a good pass rush.  It’s a common theme.  And our pass rush isn’t up to par.  
 

I don’t think adding a superstar on O is going to get this team over the top given how our defense will inevitably play in the biggest games.  

 

Give me a DL that can win.  Until we have that- I think our season most likely end with an L

Absolutely.

 

And in this defense, a safety.

 

But a difference maker on the D line is my #1 priority. 

[artmalibu]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m sorry, to clarify, I’m not just referring to the players list. There are some others but, by most metrics, the Bills had 2 (3 if you count Cooper). Spencer Brown is cuspy and Benford is probably too.
 

Maybe said differently, you need a bunch of guys in the top 10 at their position and a handful that are top 5. The top 10 guys are “top 3rd ish” at their position (of starters). Top 5 would be top 15%. Right now the Bills have a few guys between 5-10 (McGovern, maybe Bernard, Shakir in the slot, maybe Oliver, Brown, Benford, Cook) and only 2 top 5 (Josh and Dion). Now they have the most important position covered but they need less “quality role players” like Rapp or Edwards and more top 5 guys. This isn’t an overreaction to Philly’s elite roster either. I’ve always believed this. They need a couple of dudes alongside Josh. 

 

So you have 10 guys in the top 10 without counting T Johnson.   My thought is that should be enough top end to get the job done.  I see that the bottom end of the starters/rotational players is  the bigger issue.  I feel that we have too many player that rank outside of the top 25 at their position.  To get a for sure top 5 guy is has to come from a FA and that takes a kings ransom contract and possibly draft capital, resources the Bills are not rich in.   So the question becomes is the team better off by bringing in 1 top five guy or improving 3 or 4 positions that would require the same resources.  Its a good debate.  If the Bills could land Myles and go from 18th in sacks to #1 it might be worth whatever it takes.  But could the same usage of resources be used to improve the DT, safety and CB positions  to improve pass rush and create more coverage sacks. Also, improve the run defense, pass brake-ups an interceptions.  I dont like putting all the eggs in one basket and feel its safer to use the whole is greater than the sum of its parts approach.