Greg Rousseau Extended (4 years / 80M / 54M Guaranteed)

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because our defense needs more than Gregg or Bernard to be good lol

 

Like I'm not saying they're they're the best players in the NFL but if you think DK is better than both of them I don't know what to tell you that's your opinion 

 

If we put better defensive tackles around them and a better defensive end they would look better.. Bernard had a better AV then Nick Bolton has ever had in his career 

 

Even Ray Lewis didn't look as dominant when he didn't have the front in front of him... Like Bernard needs guys clogging Lanes to be effective.. we don't have a lot of good defensive linemen you can't get rid of your best defensive end who actually would have been in line for that contract with any team

 

You need a lot more than two good players to have a good NFL defense 

 

You need 14 .. you need a starting 11 plus some guys you could put in in rotation 

 

We're not there I don't know why people think we're doing less with more.. McDermott's doing more with less 

 

His entire team has been built on mid round picks that he developed.. he's not getting a bunch of Blue Chip guys to work with 

 

Greg and Benford and Bernard would start on the majority of NFL football teams they just need good players around them... There's only one miles Garrett and one deion Sanders 

 

Every other player needs people around them that's why it's a team game.. McDermott took a Brown's castaway in poyer er and made him an All-Pro... Took a role player from Green Bay and hyde and made him an All-Pro 

 

Took a fifth round pick in Milano and made him an All-Pro 

 

Took a six round pick in Benford and made him a really good corner 

 

Sean McDermott develops players at a higher rate than any coach in the NFL beane hasn't given him enough

I mean, if you can’t see the cognitive dissonance between

 

1. “Rousseau and Bernard are good but they need good players around them,”

 

2. “It’s good that we extended them at high numbers.”

 

3. “Beane hasn’t done a good enough job”

 

I really don’t know what to tell you lol.

 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I mean, if you can’t see the cognitive dissonance between

 

1. “Rousseau and Bernard are good but they need good players around them,”

 

2. “It’s good that we extended them at high numbers.”

 

3. “Beane hasn’t done a good enough job”

 

I really don’t know what to tell you lol.

 

Most good players need players around them that's what you don't understand .. in fact all players basically do unless you're Bruce Smith

 

Patrick mahomes needs players around him 

 

So I don't know where you think just because Terrell Bernard doesn't destroy a game by himself that he's not worth re signing lol he could literally start on 20 plus NFL teams 

 

And in one season I bet you the numbers don't look as high as they do now

 

I will tell you one thing that's a fact , you come here and complain every single day... Every day firechan

 

We gave up 30 to a not good Chiefs offense... You think if we didn't resign two of the better players on our defense we're not giving up 37 next time? Hahahah they might not have had great games but they're not the problem on our defense

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I mean, if you can’t see the cognitive dissonance between

 

1. “Rousseau and Bernard are good but they need good players around them,”

 

2. “It’s good that we extended them at high numbers.”

 

3. “Beane hasn’t done a good enough job”

 

I really don’t know what to tell you lol.

 

You come here and complain everyday I really don't give two craps what you think because you're here to stir the pot

Edited yesterday at 02:08 AM by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Most good players need players around them that's what you don't understand .. in fact all players basically do unless you're Bruce Smith

 

Patrick mahomes needs players around him 

 

So I don't know where you think just because Terrell Bernard doesn't destroy a game by himself that he's not worth resigning lol he could literally start on 20 plus NFL teams 

 

And in one season I bet you the numbers don't look as high as they do 

 

I will tell you one thing that's a fact you come here and complain every single day

I don’t know what to tell you. No one is saying Bernard isn’t good or Greg sucks because they aren’t game-wreckers.

 

But you agree that Beane’s #1 weakness is finding that blue chip guy WORTH $30M on both sides of the ball, yes?

 

And you also think that McD/Beane excel at finding late round gems that can be plus starters, especially on defense, yes?

 

So when we extend good, but not great players, and limit our ability to get a proven blue chip guy worth $30M, that’s probably a problem, yes? Especially when we already KNOW that McD/Beane can draft and develop late round talent?

 

It’s really simple. I have the utmost confidence that Beane and McD could find the NEXT Terrell Bernard or Greg Rousseau in the draft. I truly do. I have next to zero confidence they can find a blue chip guy in the draft. So, to me, the easiest answer is to dedicate resources to filling THAT hole and then fill in the rest with your draft picks. 
 

Tell Beane to stop making the same mistakes every offseason and I promise I will stop complaining about them. 

Edited yesterday at 02:20 AM by FireChans

[ColoradoBills]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

 

I will tell you one thing that's a fact , you come here and complain every single day... Every day firechan

 

 

Of course he does.  You nor anyone else is not going to change his mind.  Let him be who he wants to be.

[Jerome007]

On 3/8/2025 at 12:05 PM, klos63 said:

On 3/8/2025 at 12:03 PM, Beast said:

That a lot of money for a 6 sack a year guy. Way too much.

He had 8 last season, 8, twice in the last 3 seasons. 

8 is more than 6.

And he has been quite good against the run too. But I admit his last outing vs KC left a bad taste. But Bills brass know details we don't.

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

So there you go, Rousseau's contract officially hurt us from getting Metcalf. Rousseau + Bernard = $32.5M AAV. Metcalf got $30M AAV. These extensions don't happen in a vacuum. They have a measurable impact on our ability to add game changers.

Yeah I wouldn't be very surprised if Groot's new contract doesn't actually lower his cap hit this year.

[Magox]

Rousseau contract details out:

 

$8M in cap savings for 2025

 

There is 1 voided year which seems to be the Bills M.O

 

For 2025 his cap hit will be 2.1% of the total cap

 

For 2026 his cap hit will be 3.85% of the total cap

 

For 2027 his cap hit will be 6.9% of the cap. HOWEVER The base salary is at $16.4M which will very likely be converted to a bonus spreading it out to the remaining 2 active years and a voided year which would lower the cap hit by $12M making it at around 3.5% of the total cap.

 

Great deal, isn’t cost prohibitive and leaves tons of flexibility to add more players to the roster.

 

Right in line with what was predicted.

Edited yesterday at 11:11 AM by Magox

[ddaryl]

and yet another extension negotiated without the use of social media

Edited yesterday at 12:59 PM by ddaryl

[nosejob]

11 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

And he has been quite good against the run too. But I admit his last outing vs KC left a bad taste. But Bills brass know details we don't.

I'd rather gamble on getting 10 plus sacks outta of Reddick for a couple of years, push Solomon and draft one or 2.

[DCofNC]

On 3/8/2025 at 11:56 AM, Coach Tuesday said:

Unlike the Bernard deal, this one actually rivals what he would’ve gotten in the open market.

No idea why Bernard was paid TBH

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Most good players need players around them that's what you don't understand .. in fact all players basically do unless you're Bruce Smith

 

Patrick mahomes needs players around him 

 

So I don't know where you think just because Terrell Bernard doesn't destroy a game by himself that he's not worth re signing lol he could literally start on 20 plus NFL teams 

 

And in one season I bet you the numbers don't look as high as they do now

 

I will tell you one thing that's a fact , you come here and complain every single day... Every day firechan

 

We gave up 30 to a not good Chiefs offense... You think if we didn't resign two of the better players on our defense we're not giving up 37 next time? Hahahah they might not have had great games but they're not the problem on our defense

You come here and complain everyday I really don't give two craps what you think because you're here to stir the pot

I’m here to tell you Bernard would be lucky to start on 10 teams.  He’s a slow safety playing LB.  He’s more of the problem than part of the solution for this team.  Eventually, you and everyone else is going to see it.  You’ll all blame it on injuries, lament what could have been, and wish we had more cap space to work with to get the stars Beane continues to miss on in the draft.  

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, nosejob said:

I'd rather gamble on getting 10 plus sacks outta of Reddick for a couple of years, push Solomon and draft one or 2.

 

I'm sure the Bills are kicking the tires on Reddick.  There are some options out there, Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Za'Darius Smith (who had 9 sacks and very good pressure metrics), Chase Young, Reddick, Josh Sweat (someone is going to overpay bigly for him).

 

There are other value potential guys available such as - Malcolm Koonce who missed basically all of last year, young guy who had 8 sacks in 2023. Maybe Azeez Olujari who is young and promising.   They aren't splash signings but they are guys who could end up being decent.   

 

I know everyone wants blue chippers, we have to deal with reality here and look at what is available and make a play for the best players to fit all our needs, which from my perspective there are 5 big holes to fill Safety, CB, DT, DE and WR.

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I'm sure the Bills are kicking the tires on Reddick.  There are some options out there, Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Za'Darius Smith (who had 9 sacks and very good pressure metrics), Chase Young, Reddick, Josh Sweat (someone is going to overpay bigly for him).

 

There are other value potential guys available such as - Malcolm Koonce who missed basically all of last year, young guy who had 8 sacks in 2023. Maybe Azeez Olujari who is young and promising.   They aren't splash signings but they are guys who could end up being decent.   

 

I know everyone wants blue chippers, we have to deal with reality here and look at what is available and make a play for the best players to fit all our needs, which from my perspective there are 5 big holes to fill Safety, CB, DT, DE and WR.

Per your last paragraph. I hear what you're saying In having a balanced roster- But I also think that's a criticism of Beane.

Bills always have a very good roster with a lot of good players.

But no "elite" players outside of Josh. (And maybe Dawkins)

 

I would rather go after blue chippers and then piece together the roster, opposed to being more balanced. JMO

Edited yesterday at 02:13 PM by BillsFan130

[Magox]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Per your last paragraph. I hear what you're saying In having a balanced roster- But I also think that's a criticism of Beane.

Bills always have a very good roster with a lot of good players.

But no "elite" players outside of Josh. (And maybe Dawkins)

 

I would rather get 1 or two blue chippers and then piece together the roster, opposed to being more balanced. JMO

 

I'm not opposed to that, just that the pickings are slim.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Magox said:

 

I'm not opposed to that, just that the pickings are slim.

Ahh ok Fair enough then.

 

Hendrickson would be my target. (Although I hear bengals are now being pretty unreasonable with their asking price)

[Mikey152]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Per your last paragraph. I hear what you're saying In having a balanced roster- But I also think that's a criticism of Beane.

Bills always have a very good roster with a lot of good players.

But no "elite" players outside of Josh. (And maybe Dawkins)

 

I would rather go after blue chippers and then piece together the roster, opposed to being more balanced. JMO

Like the Jets and Bengals?

 

To get "blue chippers" you generally either need to tank your season, tank your cap, or get super lucky.

 

What people are killing Beane for happens to a lot of perennially successful teams. They tried to sign/trade for a few blue chippers like Miller and Diggs to varying degrees of success, but it ultimately blew up in their faces both times and trashed their cap.

[FireChans]

26 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

Like the Jets and Bengals?

 

To get "blue chippers" you generally either need to tank your season, tank your cap, or get super lucky.

 

What people are killing Beane for happens to a lot of perennially successful teams. They tried to sign/trade for a few blue chippers like Miller and Diggs to varying degrees of success, but it ultimately blew up in their faces both times and trashed their cap.

The Diggs trade is legitimately the second best move of Beane’s entire tenure. Second only to the Allen pick. Without debate.

Edited yesterday at 03:01 PM by FireChans

[BillsFan130]

49 minutes ago, Mikey152 said:

Like the Jets and Bengals?

 

To get "blue chippers" you generally either need to tank your season, tank your cap, or get super lucky.

 

What people are killing Beane for happens to a lot of perennially successful teams. They tried to sign/trade for a few blue chippers like Miller and Diggs to varying degrees of success, but it ultimately blew up in their faces both times and trashed their cap.

Travis Kelce and Chris Jones both weren't first round picks. Mcduffie late first round pick.

 

Cheifs can find blue chippers without drafting top 5 or tanking their cap.

 

Eagles: Traded for AJ brown. Saquon FA signing. Hurts 2nd round pick. Cooper Dejean 2nd rounder who looks like a blue chipper.

 

I can keep going with other Super Bowl caliber teams if you want 

Edited yesterday at 03:24 PM by BillsFan130

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Magox said:

Rousseau contract details out:

 

$8M in cap savings for 2025

 

There is 1 voided year which seems to be the Bills M.O

 

For 2025 his cap hit will be 2.1% of the total cap

 

For 2026 his cap hit will be 3.85% of the total cap

 

For 2027 his cap hit will be 6.9% of the cap. HOWEVER The base salary is at $16.4M which will very likely be converted to a bonus spreading it out to the remaining 2 active years and a voided year which would lower the cap hit by $12M making it at around 3.5% of the total cap.

 

Great deal, isn’t cost prohibitive and leaves tons of flexibility to add more players to the roster.

 

Right in line with what was predicted.

By 2027, the 23 mil per year will be a bargain.

[Magox]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

By 2027, the 23 mil per year will be a bargain.

 

They will most likely convert his $16M base salary in 2027 to a bonus which would reduce the cap by another $12M

[alg]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

The Diggs trade is legitimately the second best move of Beane’s entire tenure. Second only to the Allen pick. Without debate.

And his 2nd contract was literally the worst contract behind Miller's.