Greg Rousseau Extended (4 years / 80M / 54M Guaranteed)

[Buffalo716]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

So there you go, Rousseau's contract officially hurt us from getting Metcalf. Rousseau + Bernard = $32.5M AAV. Metcalf got $30M AAV. These extensions don't happen in a vacuum. They have a measurable impact on our ability to add game changers.

I would rather have those 2 than just Metcalf without a doubt 

[khlax3]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It's just math. Beane has to be right about these decisions. Historically he has not been right about the contracts he's given out. I hope my opinion on this is wrong of course. I would love nothing more than for Rousseau to take a big step and for Beane to get the WR room right.

 

20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

So there you go, Rousseau's contract officially hurt us from getting Metcalf. Rousseau + Bernard = $32.5M AAV. Metcalf got $30M AAV. These extensions don't happen in a vacuum. They have a measurable impact on our ability to add game changers.

So if you didn’t sign those 2 and signed DK what are you doing at MLB and DE. Minimum type players? I would rather go with what we have at wr and add a guy like Palmer and a draft pick and actually spend out money on defense. Getting ride of those guys to sign their replacement isn’t making us better

[HappyDays]

23 minutes ago, Magox said:

The Rousseau signing is not going to take up much of the cap for at least the next three years.

 

Neither will Metcalf's. That's how all these contracts are structured. Notice how we haven't even seen the guaranteed money for his new deal with Pittsburgh yet. Every time we give a big extension to our own players I'm told "ignore the reported number." But when we miss out on another player I'm told "wow the reported number is way too expensive."

 

Personally I would trade Rousseau and Bernard in 2026 for Metcalf now. And yes I understand it's not exactly that simple but that is effectively what the numbers work out to be.

 

Like I said I really hope I'm wrong. I'm not rooting against the team. I just see a consistent pattern of the same mistake made by this front office and to me this is the latest example of that mistake. If you disagree, that's fine. We'll see if the defensive players perform up to their contract values and if the WR room is good enough.

 

20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I would rather have those 2 than just Metcalf without a doubt 

 

I respect that. I very strongly disagree but at least you're accepting that the trade off is real.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:02 AM by HappyDays

[Buffalo716]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Neither will Metcalf's. That's how all these contracts are structured. Notice how we haven't even seen the guaranteed money for his new deal with Pittsburgh yet. Every time we give a big extension to our own players I'm told "ignore the reported number." But when we miss out on another player I'm told "wow the reported number is way too expensive."

 

Personally I would trade Rousseau and Bernard in 2026 for Metcalf now. And yes I understand it's not exactly that simple but that is effectively what the numbers work out to be.

 

Like I said I really hope I'm wrong. I'm not rooting against the team. I just see a consistent pattern of the same mistake made by this front office and to me this is the latest example of that mistake. If you disagree, that's fine. We'll see if the defensive players perform up to their contract values and if the WR room is good enough.

 

 

I respect that. I very strongly disagree but at least you're accepting that the trade off is real.

DK isn't Jerry Rice or Calvin Johnson or Randy Moss 

 

He's a jacked 1 trick pony ..  he's not a Hall of famer he's not an all pro... We're getting two really good football players back instead of one good football player

 

DK has limitations so does Greg and so does Bernard... But 2 is always better than 1... The whole goal is to keep as much talent while adding in more

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:00 AM by Buffalo716

[HappyDays]

20 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

So if you didn’t sign those 2 and signed DK what are you doing at MLB and DE.

 

I would have been fine drafting DL with each of our first two picks in this draft. That's still a fairly likely outcome even after extending Rousseau and despite having gaping holes in the WR room. At MLB you figure it out as you go.

 

Of course I could ask the same question to you about WR. Your solution is Josh Palmer and a random draft pick. That would mean we enter 2025 with a worse WR room than we ended 2024. We'd have arguably a worse version of the Chargers offense last year depending on how Coleman develops. I don't know man, that's not really a solution, it's a temporary bridge.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:03 AM by HappyDays

[VW82]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I respect that. I very strongly disagree but at least you're accepting that the trade off is real.

 

 

Right but Rousseau and Bernard were already on the roster so it's them + top 50 pick vs. Metcalf. 

[Magox]

It’s been near universal praise from analysts and people I respect.  Go onto X and it’s everywhere aside from some grumbling fans.   
 

I know the frustration from some that they want a high end talent at the WR spot and I would love it as well.   Who wouldn’t want a great boundary weapon for Josh?

 

Im not against getting one, but based on the fact that the Bills had one of the most efficient, high scoring teams that gave up record low sacks/turnovers ever in the history of the NFL. It’s clear as day that the bigger needs overall are on defense.    
 

It makes more sense to spend more on defense than offense.  

 

They are making lots of moves right before FA begins that is freeing up lots of money.  They are going to spend.  May not be like how some want but the commitment to winning by spending will be there. 
 

 

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

It’s been near universal praise from analysts and people I respect.  Go onto X and it’s everywhere aside from some grumbling fans.   
 

I know the frustration from some that they want a high end talent at the WR spot and I would love it as well.   Who wouldn’t want a great boundary weapon for Josh?

 

Im not against getting one, but based on the fact that the Bills had one of the most efficient, high scoring teams that gave up record low sacks/turnovers ever in the history of the NFL. It’s clear as day that the bigger needs overall are on defense.    
 

It makes more sense to spend more on defense than offense.  

 

They are making lots of moves right before FA begins that is freeing up lots of money.  They are going to spend.  May not be like how some want but the commitment to winning by spending will be there. 
 

 

my reservation is that this is a weak FA class ..

[jkeerie]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

my reservation is that this is a weak FA class ..

All the more reason to re-sign your own.

[HappyDays]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

We're getting two really good football players back instead of one good football player

 

You have it backwards. We're taking two solid players over one great player. The respective contract AAVs speak for themselves. I have zero concerns about Beane's ability to find solid players. I have big concerns about his ability to find true game changers. So to me taking the one game changer over two solid players is a no brainer.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You have it backwards. We're taking two solid players over one great player. The respective contract AAVs speak for themselves. I have zero concerns about Beane's ability to find solid players. I have big concerns about his ability to find true game changers. So to me taking the one game changer over two solid players is a no brainer.

Think we disagree about DK being great.. he is what he is.. a physical specimen who has never refined his route running .. you also act like there's never been a bad contract handed out in the NFL

 

He's not in all pro he's not a Hall of famer

 

I remember this board was furious about who our middle linebacker would be when Tremaine Edmonds got his big deal to Chicago.. two games in with Bernard and this entire board was singing hallelujah 

 

People get caught up in the last game... Bernard and Roussesu could start on 20 plus NFL teams so they have value.. Pittsburgh just did something called desperation

 

I literally think Greg and DK are in the same tier of NFL players with different positions.. above average occasionally great with holes in their games right now.. but DK has had more time to correct his and hasn't

Edited yesterday at 01:24 AM by Buffalo716

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

my reservation is that this is a weak FA class ..

It is.   

 If you chase the bigger names you’ll have to overpay.   The Bills have 5 holes on the team to plug this offseason, CB, Safety, DE, DT and WR.  I’m hoping we address all those needs substantively over the next few months.

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

It is.   

 If you chase the bigger names you’ll have to overpay.   The Bills have 5 holes on the team to plug this offseason, CB, Safety, DE, DT and WR.  I’m hoping we address all those needs substantively over the next few months.

I’m hoping they still have a possible under the radar trade candidate they are going to surprise us with ….overpaying mid players in FA is of no interest …

 

 

 

 

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He's not in all pro he's not a Hall of famer

 

I haven't said he is. But certainly he is a significantly better player than anyone we've extended this offseason. That's not debatable. Metcalf is a household name and someone you build your offense around. Rousseau is a piece. We're talking about a true #1 vs a #2. The $10M difference in their AAV reflects this.

 

25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I remember this board was furious about who our middle linebacker would be when Tremaine Edmonds got his big deal to Chicago.. two games in with Bernard and this entire board was singing hallelujah

 

I'm just speaking for myself here. I wanted nothing to do with giving Edmunds a 2nd contract. If the insinuation is that I'm reactionary and/or critical of any move the Bills make, that's not the case at all. But I have been critical of Beane's resource management in two areas - overprioritizing solid players at the expense of great players, and underprioritizing pass catchers. This weekend's moves (and lack thereof) is right at the centerpoint of those criticisms.

 

So yes I am very disappointed and concerned about this team's ability to go further in the playoffs. The worst part is I don't see any potential moves left. Adams is signed, Higgins is franchised. The fanbase is already talking themselves into Darius Slayton or Josh Palmer. Those are band-aid moves, not needle movers. Trading for Hendrickson is the one big needle mover still out there but even then the pass catching talent would still be severely lacking and there's not likely to be immediate solutions coming in the draft.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:44 AM by HappyDays

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I haven't said he is. But certainly he is a significantly better player than anyone we've extended this offseason. That's not debatable. Metcalf is a household name and someone you build your offense around. Rousseau is a piece. We're talking about a true #1 vs a #2. The $10M difference in their AAV reflects this.

 

 

I'm just speaking for myself here. I wanted nothing to do with giving Edmunds a 2nd contract. If the insinuation is that I'm reactionary and/or critical of any move the Bills make, that's not the case at all. But I have been critical of Beane's resource management in two areas - overprioritizing solid players at the expense of great players, and underprioritizing pass catchers. This weekend's moves (and lack thereof) is right at the centerpoint of those criticisms.

 

So yes I am very disappointed and concerned about this team's ability to go further in the playoffs. The worst part is I don't see any potential moves left. Adams is signed, Higgins is franchised. The fanbase is already talking themselves into Darius Slayton or Josh Palmer. Those are band-aid moves, not needle movers. Trading for Hendrickson is the one big needle mover still out there but even then the passing offense would still be severely lacking and there's not likely to be immediate solutions coming in the draft.

A wide receiver isn't winning us a super bowl.. we literally just had the highest scoring offense in bills history 

 

We couldn't stop a nosebleed when it mattered...

 

Everybody wants the best players in every position,  wide receiver is not our most crucial need.. Tom Brady won five super bowls with nothing special at wide receiver

 

We have enough pass catchers with Josh Allen to get it done.. we have a good enough offensive line... What we don't have is the ability to stop another good quarterback consistently and losing two of our better starters on defense would only put us further down the hole

Edited yesterday at 01:45 AM by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

A wide receiver isn't winning us a super bowl.. we literally just had the highest scoring offense in bills history 

 

We couldn't stop a nosebleed when it mattered...

 

Everybody wants the best players in every position wide receiver is not our most crucial need.. Tom Brady won five super bowls with nothing special at wide receiver

Well if Bill Belichick and his defenses are walking through that door, we are having a different conversation imo.

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Well if Bill Belichick and his defenses are walking through that door, we are having a different conversation imo.

We're not losing 35 to 13 and need to upgrade the offense.. if we hold the Chiefs to 28 we're going to the super bowl 

 

We scored enough to win a playoff game our defense needs a little bit more horses... And the s******* on McDermott and his scheme is getting old because he is one of the best defensive minds in football 

 

We don't have enough around him.. and for all the talk about him we've had a bunch of top five and seven defenses that he built with other teams castaways and mid round picks

Edited yesterday at 01:51 AM by Buffalo716

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

We couldn't stop a nosebleed when it mattered...

 

Right. So how does giving big extensions to two players that were part of that failure help us reach our goal? We're just maintaining the status quo which you admitted wasn't good enough. In my desired outcome we wouldn't be maintaining, we'd be adding in a big way.

 

Honestly man I disagree with almost every sentence of your post, we are just very far apart in our thoughts on this subject. And that's fine. I appreciate you laying out your thoughts. We'll see if Beane made the right decisions. My prediction is that by mid-October we'll again be monitoring the market for a desperation WR trade and the defense will be underperforming.

[FireChans]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

We're not losing 35 to 13 and need to upgrade the offense.. if we hold the Chiefs to 28 we're going to the super bowl 

 

We scored enough to win a playoff game our defense needs a little bit more horses... And the s******* on McDermott and his scheme is getting old because he is one of the best defensive minds in football 

 

We don't have enough around him

Well apparently we just locked up another couple of defensive cornerstones in Greg Rousseau and Terrell Bernard, and are probably about to lock up Benford. After of course locking up Oliver. And we’ll probably spend two of our top 4 picks on defensive players, and we of course spent 2 of our top 3 picks last year on defense.

 

Maybe one day we will get enough around him.

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Right. So how does giving big extensions to two players that were part of that failure help us reach our goal? We're just maintaining the status quo which you admitted wasn't good enough. In my desired outcome we wouldn't be maintaining, we'd be adding in a big way.

 

Honestly man I disagree with almost every sentence of your post, we are just very far apart in our thoughts on this subject. And that's fine. I appreciate you laying out your thoughts. We'll see if Beane made the right decisions. My prediction is that by mid-October we'll again be monitoring the market for a desperation WR trade and the defense will be underperforming.

Because our defense needs more than Gregg or Bernard to be good lol

 

Like I'm not saying they're they're the best players in the NFL but if you think DK is better than both of them I don't know what to tell you that's your opinion 

 

If we put better defensive tackles around them and a better defensive end they would look better.. Bernard had a better AV then Nick Bolton has ever had in his career 

 

Even Ray Lewis didn't look as dominant when he didn't have the front in front of him... Like Bernard needs guys clogging Lanes to be effective.. we don't have a lot of good defensive linemen you can't get rid of your best defensive end who actually would have been in line for that contract with any team

 

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Well apparently we just locked up another couple of defensive cornerstones in Greg Rousseau and Terrell Bernard, and are probably about to lock up Benford. After of course locking up Oliver. And we’ll probably spend two of our top 4 picks on defensive players, and we of course spent 2 of our top 3 picks last year on defense.

 

Maybe one day we will get enough around him.

You need a lot more than two good players to have a good NFL defense 

 

You need 12-14 guys .. you need a starting 11 plus some guys you could put in in rotation 

 

We're not there I don't know why people think we're doing less with more.. McDermott's doing more with less 

 

His entire team has been built on mid round picks that he developed.. he's not getting a bunch of Blue Chip guys to work with 

 

Greg and Benford and Bernard would start on the majority of NFL football teams they just need good players around them... There's only one miles Garrett and one deion Sanders 

 

Every other player needs people around them that's why it's a team game.. McDermott took a Brown's castaway in poyer er and made him an All-Pro... Took a role player from Green Bay and hyde and made him an All-Pro 

 

Took a fifth round pick in Milano and made him an All-Pro 

 

Took a six round pick in Benford and made him a really good corner 

 

Sean McDermott develops players at a higher rate than any coach in the NFL beane hasn't given him enough

Edited yesterday at 02:01 AM by Buffalo716