Greg Rousseau Extended (4 years / 80M / 54M Guaranteed)

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Because you don't think that the $100M+ Beane has guaranteed in the last week was done without consulting the boss?   My points stand.

I think the ground rules were pry established when he was hired and am not even sure he needs his approval.  Having said that, it's a lot of money so he probably did.

 

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

That was the past. Goaltenders are the RBs of the NHL. Very important but undervalued. Also, Goalies take FOREVER to develop. 

No.  They aren't.

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I think the ground rules were pry established when he was hired and am not even sure he needs his approval.  Having said that, it's a lot of money so he probably did.

 

No.  They aren't.

In the top 100 salaries in the NHL, only 6 are goalies. And one of them doesn't even play anymore (Carey Price).

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Low Positive said:

In the top 100 salaries in the NHL, only 6 are goalies. And one of them doesn't even play anymore (Carey Price).

They all can't be Hasek's.

[transplantbillsfan]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Much like the Bernard and Shakir contracts, does this account for the "extension" part of this?

 

These aren't 4 year deals... they're 5 year deals.

 

This is essentially a 5 year, $93ish million contract.

 

The reality is Groot's AAV for the next 5 years is less than $19m.

 

Are even the haters good with that????

 

Also, this move freed up a ton of CAP space. I would say these extensions make a bit move more likely, not less likely.

Edited Sunday at 03:34 AM by transplantbillsfan

[sven233]

It's nice to have Groot under contract and know that he's going to be around a while.  I do think the best is yet to come with him.  But, I think if we want to see that jump from him, it would really help to get him another stud rusher on the other side. 

 

Look....we all know this.  We all know that we need more consistency up front in getting to and affecting the QB.  I'm sorry....I'm done with hoping Epenesa is finally going to figure it out.  He was better last year overall, but he is not affecting the game plan of the opponent.  He has 1-2 great games a year and then is just there for the rest of the season.  It's time to find that stud pass rusher that teams have to look out for. 

 

Of course we all know the names.  Garrett, Hendrickson, etc.  While I would love to get Garrett, I just have no idea if it is going to be possible.  The Browns are a dumpster fire and tend to do the wrong thing every time.  So them overplaying their hand and not trading him is extremely possible.  If they do, the price might be a little tough to digest.  Hendrickson would be a great consolation prize and may come a little cheaper, but he's on the wrong side of 30.  I do think he has 2-3 great years left though and now is the time to take the big swing.  So, if sending a 2 and a 5th gets it done, I'm all for it.

 

But what happens if these guys don't get traded or go for more than what we can stomach?  How do we fill that spot?  I don't know.  Part of me is coming around to the idea of saying screw trading for one of these guys and just throw a bag a Josh Sweat and try to fill the spot through FA.  He's not Garrett or Hendrickson, but he is very good and costs you no assets other than money and cap space.  But, doing this instead of trading a whole bunch of assets for these other guys, gives you the opportunity to swing a big trade for a WR.  Metcalf.  Garrett Wilson maybe if the Jets are blowing it up.  Olave......  Yes.  These are all big contracts that we will have to pay but the time is now.  It's time to mortgage the future a bit and swing for the fences over the next 3-4 years.  What happens in 2030 shouldn't matter to this team or organization.  It's time to win now and if you have to run the credit card up to do it, so be it.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, khlax3 said:

That’s where we disagree. I feel he is already an above average defensive end that is 24 years old and ascending. He played 1 year in college. 
 

Hendrickson in is first 4 years before signing his deal with cincy had 20 sacks. Groot in his first 4 years has 25. He is an elite run defender gets a lot of pressure. 

I don’t dislike the guy… it’s just really difficult roster construction unless he really breaks out. And he hasn’t.

 

and your comparison is a guy that was a backup for 3 years and got 13.5 in his first year starting. Not really a fair career arc to compare totals for.

 

if you compare him to 64 starting DEs, above average. If you use top 32 edge rushers… gets rough. Hard to find a path to the top 10 which means you are quickly talking “average” as a ceiling.

 

In no particular order perusing my memory and typing on my phone… Garrett, Crosby, bosa, watt, Hutchinson, burns, Anderson, Allen, m sweat, hunter, Hendrickson, bonnitto, parsons…

 

is this range with like chubb, van ginkel, van noy, the young pair in LA, the old guys in LA, karlaftis where we start to get debate on whether we pick Rousseau as our pass rusher if it’s 4th and 10 in the 4th quarter of the AFCCG next year and we need a stop to win the game? 
 

surely we could debate a few guys there but the range generally seems “in the teens” which is pretty definitionally average

Edited Sunday at 04:43 AM by NoSaint

[GolfandBills]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Much like the Bernard and Shakir contracts, does this account for the "extension" part of this?

 

These aren't 4 year deals... they're 5 year deals.

 

This is essentially a 5 year, $93ish million contract.

 

The reality is Groot's AAV for the next 5 years is less than $19m.

 

Are even the haters good with that????

 

Also, this move freed up a ton of CAP space. I would say these extensions make a bit move more likely, not less likely.

It’s so annoying seeing people react to the total contract numbers… It’s all about the guaranteed money.  So far these deals look good for the Bills 

[LABILLBACKER]

13 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He would’ve broken $100m if he was able to hit double digit sacks.

Good, let someone else be dumb enough to pay a guy $20M for 7 sacks/ yr.  This is a stupid extension. 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Because you don't think that the $100M+ Beane has guaranteed in the last week was done without consulting the boss?   My points stand.

I’m not sure I’m following. Obviously he did.  What are you saying?

[Warriorspikes51]

24 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Good, let someone else be dumb enough to pay a guy $20M for 7 sacks/ yr.  This is a stupid extension. 

thanks for your contribution.

1 hour ago, GolfandBills said:

It’s so annoying seeing people react to the total contract numbers… It’s all about the guaranteed money.  So far these deals look good for the Bills 

the same people would be crying even more next year when he’d have walked or gotten 25+ million per 

[Thrivefourfive]

14 hours ago, MWK said:

That’s a lot for a guy who disappears as often as he does. 

I was glad yours was the first post. It needed to be said. But hopefully this money becomes incentive to turn it up a notch. 
 

What a dream of a contract for the young man. You just never know how these things are gonna go. See Elam. Couldn’t be happier for the success here. 

[Bills!Win!]

So it looks like the AFCC game is our ceiling 

Edited Sunday at 08:01 AM by Bills!Win!

[JGMcD2]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Good, let someone else be dumb enough to pay a guy $20M for 7 sacks/ yr.  This is a stupid extension. 

It’s as if sacks aren’t the only thing you pay for a DE to provide… 

[stlbills13]

Perfectly fine with this move but we still need upgrades on the dline. 

[khlax3]

Groot and Benford are the clearly the 2 best players on defense. Followed probably by Bernard and Oliver. So we have locked up 3 of our 4 best players on that side of the ball. Rather than letting these 4 guys walk and trying to replace them we should be focused on replacing the guys that worst players. We will have the cap space and will continue to have the space to sign our good players and bring in guys through FA and the draft. 

[since79]

Much talk is about finding a stud to play opposite him.   Most stud DE play off the left, I think Groot plays better off the left edge as well. On obvious passing downs and Von came in, he is moved to the right where he is less effective.   He is a good RDE in this league.  If we want him to produce more he may have play fully on the left.   We need a more competent guy to replace him on the right. 

[nosejob]

I think this rules out Sweat, who has hit what, 8 sack highs after 7 yrs.? Let someone else pay through the nose for that. I don't see big splash coming.

 

I think...at least hope Beane spends a bit more on a couple of FA DTs.  Maybe Reed and D.J. Jones for example, along with drafting a couple and maybe signing Reddick to a 2-3 year deal....along with drafting one or 2 ends.

 

I think this allows for a FA safety and corner signing....along with drafting a couple and I think that's gonna be about it. I guess the upside is keeping and using our picks.

Edited Sunday at 01:19 PM by nosejob

[Kirby Jackson]

10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Much like the Bernard and Shakir contracts, does this account for the "extension" part of this?

 

These aren't 4 year deals... they're 5 year deals.

 

This is essentially a 5 year, $93ish million contract.

 

The reality is Groot's AAV for the next 5 years is less than $19m.

 

Are even the haters good with that????

 

Also, this move freed up a ton of CAP space. I would say these extensions make a bit move more likely, not less likely.

I guess that I’m a “hater” because I don’t think that you should pay role players top 10 AAV. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

Lol, there are lots of steps between “everything the Bills do is right” and “everything the Bills do is wrong.” This isn’t a great deal IMO and potentially prevents them for going all in for Garrett. Garrett is a 1,000,000X better player than Rousseau. 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess that I’m a “hater” because I don’t think that you should pay role players top 10 AAV. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

Lol, there are lots of steps between “everything the Bills do is right” and “everything the Bills do is wrong.” This isn’t a great deal IMO and potentially prevents them for going all in for Garrett. Garrett is a 1,000,000X better player than Rousseau. 

Yeah.

 

I don’t see this extension and Garrett happening now. I would have rather traded a 1st and a 2nd and paid Garrett $34M than paid Rousseau $20M.

[Negan]

Now go get Josh Sweat from the eagles.

Billy Batts style