Greg Rousseau Extended (4 years / 80M / 54M Guaranteed)

[TBBills Fan]

I don't understand how people are upset about this. Signing our own, a young good player to a team friendly deal. 

 

This is what well run organizations do

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

They might be the the 2nd winning franchise during that time period 

there are 30 other teams with zero super bowls too?

[JohnNord]

18 minutes ago, Magox said:

I think they will try for either Garrett, Hendrickson, Landry, Mack or Sweat.

 

My hopes are that they go for one of the top FA DB’s such as a DJ Reed.

 

If they get a CB that is a tier below that then I would expect them to go after a pretty good DT, there are a few good options Hargrave, Jonathan Allen or a DJ Jones

 

 

I think the chances to get Garrett, Hendrickson, or Sweat were slim from to start.  Now with the Rosseau on the books, there’s less money available down the line for their contracts.  
 

I think a more ideal move is acquiring a mid-level DE like a Landry or Mack and then to improve the DL.  
 

I wouldn’t mind the Reed move, I just see them signing a vet and drafting a rookie to compete at CB2

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

I don't understand how people are upset about this. Signing our own, a young good player to a team friendly deal. 

 

This is what well run organizations do

How is it a team friendly deal? They paid a DE who has never eclipsed 8 sacks 20 million US dollars. If they signed him to the deal Bernard got, that would be team friendly. AJ Epenesa is almost as useful in the passing game, and we signed him for 6m vs 20m.

Edited Saturday at 11:48 PM by BullBuchanan

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

there are 30 other teams with zero super bowls too?

If your barometer is Super Bowl or we suck then you’re probably not having fun being a football fan

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

How is it a team friendly deal? If they signed him to the deal Bernard got, that would be team friendly. AJ Epenesa is almost as useful in the passing game, and we signed him for 6m vs 20m.

You lost me at Epenesa. Lol

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, appoo said:

If your barometer is Super Bowl or we suck then you’re probably not having fun being a football fan

Did I say that?

Just now, TBBills Fan said:

You lost me at Epenesa. Lol

Why? he has 4.5 less sacks total over the last 4 years and one less forced fumble.

Rousseau is clearly a tier above him, but you're paying an extra 325% for that extra tier. Crosby meanwhile is making like 60% more than Rousseau, and that's including diminishing returns for premium players.

[L Ron Burgundy]

Not super happy.   This makes me think Beane thinks we're close on defense and that no big (risky) moves are coming.  I really hope I'm wrong.  I like Groot.  Not at this salary.  I'd let him go and spend assets on Garrett.  

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Spotrac estimated him at $25M.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2652/nfl-contract-extension-candidates

 

This isn't an overpay. 

 

It's a risk. They all are, but this is maybe a bit more than most. 

 

My guess is that if they put a few more dangerous guys on the other end at DE and in the middle, Rousseau suddenly "improves."

 

 

I want a game wrecker in the 1 tech. If the Bills get that I suspect Groot and Oliver look back to potential

7 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Not super happy.   This makes me think Beane thinks we're close on defense and that no big (risky) moves are coming.  I really hope I'm wrong.  I like Groot.  Not at this salary.  I'd let him go and spend assets on Garrett.  

This deal is going to increase our cap space for this year. If anything I think it makes a FA splash more likely

[nosejob]

7 hours ago, The 9 Isles said:

With a better Dline coaching the sky is the limit for him.  

Will we get better Dline coaching? I hope so.

18 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

How is it a team friendly deal? They paid a DE who has never eclipsed 8 sacks 20 million US dollars. If they signed him to the deal Bernard got, that would be team friendly. AJ Epenesa is almost as useful in the passing game, and we signed him for 6m vs 20m.

That's where Sweat is after 7 years. Watch and see what some team pays him.

[Alphadawg7]

19 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

$20M for a guy whose primary skill set is stopping the run in 2025 and a guy who you can guarantee will be AWOL when you need him most?

C'mon.

 

Well when we need to get by teams like the Ravens for example or could face teams like the Eagles in the SB...stopping the run is pretty important given everyone else on our team sucks at it. 

 

You want to win in the postseason...being able to run the ball and win in the trenches is important.  Which also means you need to be able to defend against that as well.  

 

And I do think he will be even better once we fix the guys around him, and I expect us to make moves on the DL this offseason via FA, trade, or draft or some combo of that.  

[GolfandBills]

26 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

$20M for a guy whose primary skill set is stopping the run in 2025 and a guy who you can guarantee will be AWOL when you need him most?

C'mon.

People need to stop looking at the max deal amount… the guaranteed money is all that matters.    

[BillsFan130]

27 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

How is it a team friendly deal? They paid a DE who has never eclipsed 8 sacks 20 million US dollars. If they signed him to the deal Bernard got, that would be team friendly. AJ Epenesa is almost as useful in the passing game, and we signed him for 6m vs 20m.

Ya I agree with you. Spotrac had him like 23-25 range so I think a lot of people are basing this deal relative to that.

 

 Overall he's a good player. But for 20 mil, I want a guy who can take over in the 4th quarter in some games. (Especially big games)

 

Rousseau hasn't done that so far in his career 

[BullBuchanan]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well when we need to get by teams like the Ravens for example or could face teams like the Eagles in the SB...stopping the run is pretty important given everyone else on our team sucks at it. 

 

You want to win in the postseason...being able to run the ball and win in the trenches is important.  Which also means you need to be able to defend against that as well.  

 

And I do think he will be even better once we fix the guys around him, and I expect us to make moves on the DL this offseason via FA, trade, or draft or some combo of that.  

I agree that stopping the run is important, but finding those guys is a lot easier, and historically a  lot cheaper, than finding guys that can sack the QB. I really like having a guy like Rousseau on a rookie deal or somewhere around $10M/yr. The opportunity cost of paying him pass rusher money is that now you have to pray you find an all-pro EDGE in the draft when you're going to be at a disadvantage. I would have rather went after a guy like Garret and then drafted a Rousseau replacement which would have been far easier.

[BarleyNY]

30 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I agree with you. Spotrac had him like 23-25 range so I think a lot of people are basing this deal relative to that.

 

 Overall he's a good player. But for 20 mil, I want a guy who can take over in the 4th quarter in some games. (Especially big games)

 

Rousseau hasn't done that so far in his career 

$20M AAV puts Rousseau 13th among Edges. (That assumes early reports are correct.) If so, that’s ridiculous. He’s not a difference maker, so why give him difference maker money?

Edited Sunday at 12:47 AM by BarleyNY

[NoSaint]

28 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I agree that stopping the run is important, but finding those guys is a lot easier, and historically a  lot cheaper, than finding guys that can sack the QB. I really like having a guy like Rousseau on a rookie deal or somewhere around $10M/yr. The opportunity cost of paying him pass rusher money is that now you have to pray you find an all-pro EDGE in the draft when you're going to be at a disadvantage. I would have rather went after a guy like Garret and then drafted a Rousseau replacement which would have been far easier.

yea I think we have always had a bit of debate on a couple super stars vs extra 2nd/3rd tier strong role players 

 

at some point I still think you need 2-3 guys that change the entire field. We have Josh… but shakir and groot don’t keep a coordinator up at night trying to figure out how to contain them while still playing to their own strengths. Oliver gets closer to that but isn’t Chris jones or Aaron Donald.

 

we need to find that guy on the DL and would like to see a pass catcher of some variety that gets much closer to that tier. 

[khlax3]

I am really not understanding the hate on this deal. It feel like people are living in the mid 2000s cap era . We have him locked up for 5 more years until his age 29 season for an average of 18.6 million a year. Within the next year or two the top tier guys are going to be in the 35-40 million a year range with the current and future cap. Most of these guys will also be in their late 20s or early 30s. Having a guy like up for his prime at half that number seems pretty good

Edited Sunday at 12:56 AM by khlax3

[K-9]

Myopia runs rampant in this thread.

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

I am really not understanding the hate on this deal. It feel like people are living in the mid 2000s cap era . We have him locked up for 5 more years until his age 29 season for an average of 18.6 million a year. Within the next year or two the top tier guys are going to be in the 35-40 million a year range with the current and future cap. Most of these guys will also be in their lte 20s or early 30s. Having a guy like up for his prime at half that number seems pretty good

They aren’t representative of how most people feel it’s mainly from the ones who have a very simplistic view in that sacks is the only stat in determining the value of the player.

 

GM’s and people who study film for a living almost all believe that not only was it a good value but an excellent one.

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

They aren’t representative of how most people feel it’s mainly from the ones who have a very simplistic view in that sacks is the only stat in determining the value of the player.

 

GM’s and people who study film for a living almost all believe that not only was it a good value but an excellent one.

They probably either believe that because they aren't SB contender, or they're glad we did it to ensure we don't become one.