Greg Rousseau Extended (4 years / 80M / 54M Guaranteed)

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

The Giants won a Super Bowl one year with a ton allocated to their defensive line

That’s not how Beane has typically managed the roster.  I’d bet against Buffalo making a big move on defense but we’ll see

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

That’s not how Beane has typically managed the roster.  I’d bet against Buffalo making a big move on defense but we’ll see

what?  We gave Von a huge contract. We’ve invested multiple high picks on DL and paid Oliver

[Magox]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But he had his worst game as a Bill in the biggest game of his career. It is fair to say that.

 

Did you see his explanation of that play you had referenced?

 

From the article;

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On defense, Greg Rousseau knew that the Chiefs might use a diamond formation — Mahomes lined up between two tight ends with a running back behind him — but admits the Chiefs ran plays out of this funky alignment that the Bills had never seen before. Reid saved plays for this matchup. On the go-ahead TD in the fourth quarter, the Chiefs pulled a tackle left and a ran a quarterback keeper right. Buffalo’s best defensive player, Matt Milano, was caught flat-footed. Dawuane Smoot bit inside to JV extremes. Everyone appeared fooled. Mahomes plowed into the end zone.

“I didn’t see that in any of the breakdowns I watched,” said the defensive end Rousseau. “So they made some plays. They ended up coming out on top. They had a good gameplan.”

Mahomes has always been a threat to run. What surprised the Bills, per Rousseau, is when he ran for his 43 yards. They weren’t expecting him to boot in certain short-yardage situations.

“I know personally in my job, not just me, but the whole defense we’re thinking, ‘Alright, it was four-minute (offense), we got to get a stop on the run,’” Rousseau said. “Then he boots out. It’s like, ‘Damn.’ It happens. It’s part of the game and it's tough to stop when you have a quarterback who’s a dual threat.”

 

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https://www.golongtd.com/p/missing-rings-buffalo-bills-flush

 

Not to completely absolve him but that game was mainly a failure on the scheme and DB’s

 

But even if you don’t want to give that any credence, it was just a debacle defensively all the way around and he did pef well in the other 2 playoff games.

 

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

what?  We gave Von a huge contract. We’ve invested multiple high picks on DL and paid Oliver

Right but when has Beane had 2 players in a position group making Top 5 and Top 20 money?

I wouldn’t rule out adding another DE, I just don’t think it will be the names fans were hoping for like Garrett, Hendrickson, Sweat that would command a big deal

[Dave_Bills]

Grooooooooooooot

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, JohnNord said:

Right but when has Beane had 2 players in a position group making Top 5 and Top 20 money?

I wouldn’t rule out adding another DE, I just don’t think it will be the names fans were hoping for like Garrett, Hendrickson, Sweat that would command a big deal

considering what the Eagles DL did in the Super Bowl, it’s time to focus improving the DL as much as possible
 

honestly we need a major upgrade at DT + the other Edge

 

swing for the fences call NYG for Dexter Lawrence. Assuming you can’t get him, try to sign Jonathan Allen or DJ Jones

 

for Edge, Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Harold Landry are also options who could really help…if they can stay healthy

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Did you see his explanation of that play you had referenced?

 

From the article;

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On defense, Greg Rousseau knew that the Chiefs might use a diamond formation — Mahomes lined up between two tight ends with a running back behind him — but admits the Chiefs ran plays out of this funky alignment that the Bills had never seen before. Reid saved plays for this matchup. On the go-ahead TD in the fourth quarter, the Chiefs pulled a tackle left and a ran a quarterback keeper right. Buffalo’s best defensive player, Matt Milano, was caught flat-footed. Dawuane Smoot bit inside to JV extremes. Everyone appeared fooled. Mahomes plowed into the end zone.

“I didn’t see that in any of the breakdowns I watched,” said the defensive end Rousseau. “So they made some plays. They ended up coming out on top. They had a good gameplan.”

Mahomes has always been a threat to run. What surprised the Bills, per Rousseau, is when he ran for his 43 yards. They weren’t expecting him to boot in certain short-yardage situations.

“I know personally in my job, not just me, but the whole defense we’re thinking, ‘Alright, it was four-minute (offense), we got to get a stop on the run,’” Rousseau said. “Then he boots out. It’s like, ‘Damn.’ It happens. It’s part of the game and it's tough to stop when you have a quarterback who’s a dual threat.”

 

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https://www.golongtd.com/p/missing-rings-buffalo-bills-flush

 

Not to completely absolve him but that game was mainly a failure on the scheme and DB’s

 

But even if you don’t want to give that any credence, it was just a debacle defensively all the way around and he did pef well in the other 2 playoff games.

 

 

My problem with that play wasn't that he misdiagnosed it. It was that he gave up. And he 100% did. Whatever he tries to say.

 

Reid ran 5 plays against the Bills they hadn't run all year. And 0 against the Eagles even when they couldn't move the ball. You better believe the Chiefs play the Bills differently than they play other teams.

[Julio Hopkins]

2 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

https://www.golongtd.com/p/missing-rings-buffalo-bills-flush

 

Not to completely absolve him but that game was mainly a failure on the scheme and DB’s

 

But even if you don’t want to give that any credence, it was just a debacle defensively all the way around and he did pef well in the other 2 playoff games.

 

 

At some point the players on the field have to step up.  I'm not excusing the coaching staff but offenses are going to show you new stuff.  There's only so much you can prepare for pre-snap.  Torrence said something similar on the blitz call on the last offensive play.  I just don't think that's a good excuse. 

 

It really just explains why this team struggles with the Chiefs in the postseason vs the regular season.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, JMM said:

All in all, looking at the realities of the situation this is a good deal. It's NOT an overpay in that sense. He is a good edge run defender and he is a " good" pass rusher. The question is, can he make that jump to be an impact rusher? You watch him, and game in and game out he gets THISCLOSE to the QB but can't seem to finish the deal. Can he close that gap?? That's the question going forward that will determine if this contract was good in the long run. 

This is very true. 24 QB hits yet only 8 sacks. He IS getting pressure though 

[RyanC883]

nice, paying a lot for a great but not elite player.  Is some of the salary for him to perform annual vanishing acts in the playoffs?  

 

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

My problem with that play wasn't that he misdiagnosed it. It was that he gave up. And he 100% did. Whatever he tries to say.

 

Reid ran 5 plays against the Bills they hadn't run all year. And 0 against the Eagles even when they couldn't move the ball. You better believe the Chiefs play the Bills differently than they play other teams.

 

yep. Greg does not have that killer mentality.  Scheme is an issue, but so is the lack of that elite want to win. 

49 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Right but when has Beane had 2 players in a position group making Top 5 and Top 20 money?

I wouldn’t rule out adding another DE, I just don’t think it will be the names fans were hoping for like Garrett, Hendrickson, Sweat that would command a big deal

 

and that would be a huge failure on Bean’s part warranting his termination if the D sucks again in the playoffs 

[Rocky Landing]

He's not elite, but he's a solid starter, and I think he still has plenty of potential to improve. And, I don't care how much he gets paid, I only care how it affects the cap. I like this move.

[K-9]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

The one category that I know Rousseau led the league in is “amount of times pancaked into the earth by the Chiefs backup running back.”

So unless a player is actually leading the league in several categories vs. being among the league leaders in them, he ain’t worth it. Got it. 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

So unless a player is actually leading the league in several categories vs. being among the league leaders in them, he ain’t worth it. Got it. 

He ain’t worth it because I don’t think he’s good enough and it’s a salary cap league.

 

You are EXTREMELY welcome to disagree. Hopefully you are right. I don’t think you are lol

[mannc]

20 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

He's not elite, but he's a solid starter, and I think he still has plenty of potential to improve. And, I don't care how much he gets paid, I only care how it affects the cap. I like this move.

Agreed.  He’s a good young player, if not a star.  There’s still upside to be tapped. And if we let Groot walk, we’d have another big hole to fill.  No-brainer.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

This is a nice highlight film of many of the sacks, tackles for loss and QB hits he had.

Also for those that are using sack totals as their only basis of his value, you are showing yourselves to not understand the true value of a Defensive end.  Sorry, not sorry.

 

He was 2nd in the league in QB hits

 

He was 10th in the league in QB hurries

 

He was 10th in the league in stops.

 

A stop is a play that usually is a stop around the line of scrimmage.

 

He is 9th in the league in tackles for losses

 

He is 3rd in the league in causing fumbles.

 

Even sacks he’s 19th in the league.

 

Yeah, those stats in today’s market is over $20m AAV.  The Bills got a team friendly deal.

 

Also for those that are saying that this will limit our odds in getting more quality talent.  I’m just going to assume you don’t understand how to manipulate the cap.  The Bills recent M.O has been to add 1 voided year.

 

Considering that the Bills already have Rousseau for $13m for 2025, with the extension it is a 5 year $93M deal which is at $18.6M AAV

 

The way the deal will be structured you will see:

 

2025 less than 2% will be of the teams cap 

2026 less than 3.5% will be of the team cap

2027 around 4% will be of the team cap.

Even 2028 can be manipulated and pushed to 2029 and the 2030  voided year.

 

 

 

The Eagles have 7 players with over $20M AAV extensions and another 2 more over $17M AAV

 

The Bills have 3 at $20m +
 

You can keep repeating it over and over but it won’t change the fact that you are wrong that this deal limits our ability to get more top end talent

 

 

Do you think the Bills are going to acquire more top end talent after all of these extensions?

[davefan66]

Awesome signing.

 

Cleans up cap space. And we will see soon what the actual hit is.

 

Love Groooot! He will do good things here!

[Magox]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Do you think the Bills are going to acquire more top end talent after all of these extensions?

They can easily do it, just depends if there is the will to do it from Pegula.

[Success]

Had he gone elsewhere - I have a feeling we'd be watching highlights of him and lamenting letting him go.

 

His best days are ahead.  He has real talent.

 

[BigDingus]

Huge waste imo.

 

I'm in the minority, but we were already paying Rousseau almost as much as Cook wants, yet Cook has a much bigger impact than Groot.

 

But people are still of the mindset RBs are a dime a dozen, despite the fact we struggled to find a RB for years (and despite the SB champs proving how valuable a good run game is). This year was our most productive offense ever, but since it wasn't all high-flying passing through Josh, people dismiss it.

 

Meanwhile, our middling defense who gives up historically high numbers in their playoff losses, is getting rewarded with extensions at various positions.

 

If there's one thing I've learned it's that you could remove the weakest link on D & replace him with a great player, yet come playoff time, the D performs the same. That's because unlike our offense, the D is consistently stuck with McD. The offense gets retooled & new coordinators can come in, but D stays the same.

 

I put this in another thread, but tell me which group has had DEFINITIVELY a bigger impact:

 

A) Edmunds, Oliver, Groot, Basham, Elam, Epenesa,

B) Milano, Bernard, Benford, Hamlin, T. Johnson, D. Williams

 

I'd say it's pretty even. But people want us to use more early picks on D and extend these guys, then just hope McD & Beane finally land a star.

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, Magox said:

They can easily do it, just depends if there is the will to do it from Pegula.

Do you think these extensions make it more or less likely?