Greg Rousseau Extended (4 years / 80M / 54M Guaranteed)

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Overpay is relative, right? If he hit the market today he probably would have gotten this same contract or a bit more from some team. So from a free agency market perspective it is not an overpay. I worry that for our roster though it is an overpay because we are about to make Allen the highest paid player in NFL history (at least I assume/hope) and we are desperate for elite talent. My ultimate opinion on these latest extensions will depend on if they hinder us in adding that elite talent.

they shouldn’t considering Pegula seems to have 0 issues paying $$$ cash when it comes to Bills contracts.  The aggressive move is to add 3-4 void years to a few big contracts for elite players we hopefully acquire

[VW82]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Haven’t read thru all the comments but does this do anything to Epenesa? 

 

Probably not. Assuming Von gets cut, that only leaves Greg, Javon Solomon, and AJ on the 2025 roster. Plus, we only save 3M if we cut AJ, and he wasn't getting extended so... 

[FireChans]

31 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I haven’t checked, but was Hamlin also among league leaders as well in D categories like Rousseau was in addition to jist leading the team in some categories?

The one category that I know Rousseau led the league in is “amount of times pancaked into the earth by the Chiefs backup running back.”

[Aussie Joe]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

 

The overall strategy - paying a DE2 when you don't have a DE1 - and going for what looks increasingly like a run it back strategy is what I like less than any of the individual deals specifically. 

Let’s wait and see on what the strategy is … it’s still too early .., I’ll agree with you if Rousseau ends up as  DE1   but from what they said after the season, they know they have to improve the position 

[LEBills]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Hendrickson had a break out year in 2020 collecting 13.5 sacks in 15 games. Say what you want about Rousseau, this past year was not a break out year. Honestly for me his whole career he has been pretty much the same guy - excellent setting the edge, disrupts more than he finishes, doesn't make enough plays in critical moments in critical games. To me Rousseau is emblematic of the roster as a whole which is to say he is just good enough to not finish the job. I'm glad he got $80M and not $100M like some were projecting. But also I wish we had a couple $100M players. That's why these extensions leave me feeling a bit underwhelmed and a bit worried that they will take away from our ability to add higher tier players.

Hendrickson had one very good season in NO before cashing in. It was a risk that paid off for the Bengals. I think Greg has shown several good seasons worthy of 7% of the salary cap.
 

I like the stars and scrubs model too where you have a few superstars. But unless you draft those players, acquiring those top players is costly and I think the Rams are the only team I can remember pulling it off…and even with them their best player was drafted. 
 

I do think Beane gives out some silly contracts. Oliver and Bernard in particular. But I think this is one of his better contracts that can be part of building a good DLine.

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, FireChans said:

But that’s kind of the point right? 
 

Greenard and Highsmith both had individual seasons where they had DE1 production PRIOR to getting paid. Sure, they weren’t necessarily going to replicate that year in or out but there was the proven upside.

If we are taking odds on which guys finish their careers with more double digit sack seasons, both Greenard and Highsmith are more likely than Greg, right?

 

I said it last offseason. I was hoping Greg took off and had 12-14 sacks and put the conversation about extending to rest. I would’ve rather him had a 14 sack year and paid him $30M than have his usual 8 and pay him $20M. 
 

I stand by that. Beane has extended two drafted EDGEs, given a pass rushing DT a big extension and signed another EDGE to a large FA deal in the last 3 or 4 seasons and our biggest need is STILL pass rush.

 

THATS bad business 

 

I don't deny the overall is bad business. Beane has not done well enough with the dline.

 

But I don't think that changes whether this deal was market value or not. 

 

They are separate points.

[ColoradoBills]

If sacks are the only criteria, Beane did not do well.  Neither did other teams.

 

Let's look at "team sacks". 

Buffalo 39

KC 39

Phil 41

Browns 41

Wash 43

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/tackles/2024/reg/all

 

Bills need more sacks and pressures but let's not think sacks is all there is.

[somnus00]

3 hours ago, The 9 Isles said:

With a better Dline coaching the sky is the limit for him.  

And good DT play. We need better in the middle of the line for Groot to shine. I'm hoping for big upgrades there. When I say, "big," I mean that literally. 

Edited Saturday at 07:59 PM by somnus00

[US Egg]

Contract threads should have a poll. 

[SoTier]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The one category that I know Rousseau led the league in is “amount of times pancaked into the earth by the Chiefs backup running back.”

 

One thing I know, you are definitely NOT a "glass half empty" kind of guy.  More like "the glass is totally empty and has a hole in the bottom" kind of guy. 

 

Your posts have become simply a litany of one embittered complaint after another.  

[Jay_Fixit]

3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I think this puts us out of the Myles Garrett discussion. 

Two things:

 

1) You’re not a part of the team

2) No.

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I said it last offseason. I was hoping Greg took off and had 12-14 sacks and put the conversation about extending to rest. I would’ve rather him had a 14 sack year and paid him $30M than have his usual 8 and pay him $20M. 

The Bears gave Montez Sweat 4 years $95m ($24.4m per year) a year and a half ago and he never eclipsed double digit sacks in his career.  I was pissed at the time because I thought he effed up the market for us re-signing Rousseau.  We just got a 25 year old Rousseau at $19m a year (factoring in the 5th year option) for five years.  That's good business.

[jaybills]

3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I think this puts us out of the Myles Garrett discussion. 

Uh, nope...this makes us more in play. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

10 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Hendrickson had one very good season in NO before cashing in. It was a risk that paid off for the Bengals. I think Greg has shown several good seasons worthy of 7% of the salary cap.
 

I like the stars and scrubs model too where you have a few superstars. But unless you draft those players, acquiring those top players is costly and I think the Rams are the only team I can remember pulling it off…and even with them their best player was drafted. 
 

I do think Beane gives out some silly contracts. Oliver and Bernard in particular. But I think this is one of his better contracts that can be part of building a good DLine.

 

I don't agree that the Bernard contract was silly in it of itself. If we have a good d-line, he's a really good playmaker. But that's the catch-22 here with the Rosseau signing IMO. I don't think this helps his cause. We needed a makeover on the d-line. 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

One thing I know, you are definitely NOT a "glass half empty" kind of guy.  More like "the glass is totally empty and has a hole in the bottom" kind of guy. 

 

Your posts have become simply a litany of one embittered complaint after another.  

lol I called the Shakir extension excellent.

 

You hear what you want to hear.

 

Sorry I didn’t like the idea of paying an 6-8 sack per year guy $20M last year and I still didn’t like it this year.

 

i will try to adjust my opinions accordingly to what the Bills do so I always like whatever happens!

[TheBeaneBandit]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The Bears gave Montez Sweat 4 years $95m ($24.4m per year) a year and a half ago and he never eclipsed double digit sacks in his career.  I was pissed at the time because I thought he effed up the market for us re-signing Rousseau.  We just got a 25 year old Rousseau at $19m a year (factoring in the 5th year option) for five years.  That's good business.

He got that contract because of the 40 he ran at the combine. I mean that's not completely true, but it was a part of it. It was a contract of potential for sure though.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The Bears gave Montez Sweat 4 years $95m ($24.4m per year) a year and a half ago and he never eclipsed double digit sacks in his career.  I was pissed at the time because I thought he effed up the market for us re-signing Rousseau.  We just got a 25 year old Rousseau at $19m a year (factoring in the 5th year option) for five years.  That's good business.

The Bears overpaying for guys with more potential than production is kinda what they do. Their roster has been awful and they have money to burn.

 

If the bar is “better than the Bears,” sure it’s good business. They have certainly been a well-run and stable group for a long time.

[Ennjay]

3 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

It feels like something big is coming. 

This is what I've been thinking but without a lot of confidence.  I believe Beane will take a shot on Garrett but (1) there's a lot of competition for him, (2) Cleveland should want him as far away as possible (= NFC) if they do decide to trade him, and (3) I don't think Beane will be as hellbent bat sh*t crazy to do a deal no matter what as some other GM(s) might be.  Maybe Metcalf?

Edited Saturday at 08:24 PM by Ennjay

[MikePJ76]

 

[Magox]

57 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Not a horrible deal but my least favorite of the 3. This feels like an overpayment but 🤷🏻‍♂️. If he becomes a 10-11 sack guy it’s okay. He doesn’t need to become Myles Garrett but he needs to becomes Josh Sweat. They still need 1 or 2 top 100ish players. The top of the roster needs to get better. 

Groot had a better year than Sweat.  Check the metrics, Groot outperformed him in just about every single metric.