measles outbreak

[Joe Ferguson forever]

There have now been 159 new cases in West Texas and 10 cases in neighboring New Mexico.  Two unvaccinated patients, one adult and 1 child have died so far.  JFK jr was on Fox today promoting unproven treatments such as Vitamin A, Cod liver oil, steroids and clarithromycin (an anti bacterial, not anti viral).  Steroids are generally avoided during infections because they decrease the immune response.  He has not strongly recommended vaccination which is known to be the most efficacious prophylaxis.  He quoted an ER doc today who has been disciplined for quack treatments by the Texas Board of Medicine.  Thoughts?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/kennedy-touts-unconventional-therapies-for-measles-linked-to-disciplined-texas-doctor/ar-AA1Apskm

[Wacka]

It's all the illegals that flooded in during the Bi-done admin.  The two that died probably had underlying problems. Measels was no big problem in the 60s.  Kids would get  it, stay home for several days, watch TV and drink 7-Up (got that when we were sick) and days later would return to school.  i'm sure there were extremely rare case where someone would die,  but I never heard of someone from school dying from it. This was BEFORE the vaccine was developed. Also caught rubella.

Now, just get the vacs and no problem.

Edited Sunday at 03:18 PM by Wacka

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 minutes ago, Wacka said:

It's all the illegals that flooded in during the Bi-done admin.  The two that died probably had underlying problems. Measels was no big problem in the 60s.  Kids would get  it, stay home for several days, watch TV and drink 7-Up *got that when we were sick) and days and would return to school.  i'm sure there were extremely rare case where someone would die,  but I never heard of someone from school dying from it. This was BEFORE the vaccine was developed. Also caught rubella.

Now, just get the vacs and no problem.

The child was perfectly healthy.  people did die from measles, many.  In 1919, 10 per 100,000 Americans died from measles.  you're a dummy who should not post about things you don't know.  Anecdotes re not meaningful.  still waiting for "Doc" to weigh in.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/measles-cases-and-death-rate

Edited Friday at 04:32 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

The child was perfectly healthy.  people did die from measles, many.  In 1919, 10 per 100,000 Americans died from measles.  you're a dummy who should not post about things you don't know.  Anecdotes re not meaningful.  still waiting for "Doc" to weigh in.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/measles-cases-and-death-rate

 

Way to choose 1919.   When the life expectancy was 53.  When only 1% of households had both indoor plumbing and electricity.   Yes, people do die of the measles but choosing the exact year where measles related deaths were at the highest percentage in the last 100 years of American History isn't exactly living in reality.     For God's sake, bacteriology and the impact of hand washing was relatively new in 1919.  

 

Odd for someone to give another person hell for "anecdotes" while simultaneously being amazingly hyperbolic.

Edited Friday at 05:28 PM by thenorthremembers

[Wacka]

And how many people also had the Spanish Influenza which killed between 17-50 million and people from 1918-1920. More soldiers died from the flu than warfare.

[Tommy Callahan]

15 minutes ago, Wacka said:

And how many people also had the Spanish Influenza which killed between 17-50 million and people from 1918-1920. More soldiers died from the flu than warfare.

They actually died from  bacterial pneumonia.  Antibiotics were a little to late to we wouldn't even of heard about it. 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

29 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Way to choose 1919.   When the life expectancy was 53.  When only 1% of households had both indoor plumbing and electricity.   Yes, people do die of the measles but choosing the exact year where measles related deaths were at the highest percentage in the last 100 years of American History isn't exactly living in reality.     For God's sake, bacteriology and the impact of hand washing was relatively new in 1919.  

 

Odd for someone to give another person hell for "anecdotes" while simultaneously being amazingly hyperbolic.

Did you even look at the graph?  In 1969 there were 1.2 deaths per 10 mil. In 2024 there were 3.8 deaths per 100 mil. Gee, what happened shortly after 1969? Btw, measles is not caused by a bacteria. Maybe virology was relatively new in 1919 but not in 1969…

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

21 minutes ago, Wacka said:

And how many people also had the Spanish Influenza which killed between 17-50 million and people from 1918-1920. More soldiers died from the flu than warfare.

And that has exactly what to do with measles?  The point is you were wrong about it not killing people. It does, whether you watch tv in bed or not. It killed many more until the MMR vax came out. You admit this right?

Edited Friday at 06:04 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Joe Ferguson forever]

22 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Keep drinking that kool aid. Add in some cod liver oil and vitamin A. I’m sure you’ll prosper. 

27 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

They actually died from  bacterial pneumonia.  Antibiotics were a little to late to we wouldn't even of heard about it. 

 

 

Well no. They died from an H1N1 flu. It’s a virus. Antibacterials wouldn’t have helped. Anti virals weren’t available til late 20th century. 

Edited Friday at 06:23 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Tommy Callahan]

For reference.   

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7319a1.htm

 

How many illegal immigrants came here in the last year or four?  Are they vaccinated?

Bacterial secondary infection is the reason for most deaths with the Spanish flu.  Something antibiotics could have stopped.  

 

Explanation

The virus damaged the lungs, which allowed bacterial infections to develop. These bacterial infections were a common cause of death. 

The pandemic was unique because of the high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group. 

The 1918 influenza pandemic was the deadliest pandemic of the 20th century. 

Because there were no antibiotics, doctors treated secondary bacterial infections with a variety of medicines that had varying degrees of effectiveness. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Tommy Callahan said:

For reference.   

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7319a1.htm

 

How many illegal immigrants came here in the last year or four?  Are they vaccinated?

So Mr expert what about bacterial pneumonia and Spanish”flu”?

 

yes, that cluster occurred among migrants. It spread among the unvaccinated just like the current one

 

maybe you should give up on commenting on microbiology 

 

 

[Wacka]

Is that the death rate for the whole word or just the US.  In a lot of hell holes, the general health is  low which makes one more susceptible to other infections and complications. In the first half of the 60s (before the vaccine), getting the measles was not something to panic about.  You just stayed home and got over it. Like I said I did not hear of a single instance of someone dieing from it and my school district had about 350 kids in my grade.  Rubella, of course, was different because it can cause miscarriages in pregnant women (not whatever term the loonies use today).  There was a breakout in the early 80s (I think) and I had to got to the doc to get a script for a test to show that I had antibodies against both  because  I had them before the vaccine came out and the school district only kept health records from the nurses office for 10 years. I has to show that I was vaccinated  to register for grad school that year.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

18 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Is that the death rate for the whole word or just the US.  In a lot of hell holes, the general health is  low which makes one more susceptible to other infections and complications. In the first half of the 60s (before the vaccine), getting the measles was not something to panic about.  You just stayed home and got over it. Like I said I did not hear of a single instance of someone dieing from it and my school district had about 350 kids in my grade.  Rubella, of course, was different because it can cause miscarriages in pregnant women (not whatever term the loonies use today).  There was a breakout in the early 80s (I think) and I had to got to the doc to get a script for a test to show that I had antibodies against both  because  I had them before the vaccine came out and the school district only kept health records from the nurses office for 10 years. I has to show that I was vaccinated  to register for grad school that year.

Maybe if you looked at the title above the graph you’d know. Pearls before swine.   
 

350 kids?  Yes, the incidence wouldn’t predict you’d see a death. You’d need a cohort of a bit more than 300000 at that time

Edited Friday at 07:18 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

7 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Maybe if you looked at the title above the graph you’d know. Pearls before swine.   
 

350 kids?  Yes, the incidence wouldn’t predict you’d see a death. You’d need a cohort of a bit less than 100000 at that time

You are punching the air in real time. Good times.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

43 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

For reference.   

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7319a1.htm

 

How many illegal immigrants came here in the last year or four?  Are they vaccinated?

Bacterial secondary infection is the reason for most deaths with the Spanish flu.  Something antibiotics could have stopped.  

 

Explanation

The virus damaged the lungs, which allowed bacterial infections to develop. These bacterial infections were a common cause of death. 

The pandemic was unique because of the high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group. 

The 1918 influenza pandemic was the deadliest pandemic of the 20th century. 

Because there were no antibiotics, doctors treated secondary bacterial infections with a variety of medicines that had varying degrees of effectiveness. 

Link?  You must have copied this from somewhere. Sure, a secondary bacterial superinfection (superimposed) infection surely killed some. The cause of death would still be properly reported as influenza. They wouldn’t have died were it not for it.   All those folks ultimately died from respiratory failure. But that’s not how the cause of death should be reported on a death certificate. 

Edited Friday at 07:15 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

You are punching the air in real time. Good times.

Nope. Punching dummies who shouldn’t be basing health decisions on “their own research”. 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Nope. Punching dummies who shouldn’t be basing health decisions on “their own research”. 

I wouldn't trust you to put a bandaid on me.

[Doc]

I read that 5 of the infected were vaccinated.  The rest I'd be willing to bet were illegals.  Which isn an important piece of the puzzle.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

I read that 5 of the infected were vaccinated.  The rest I'd be willing to bet were illegals.  Which isn an important piece of the puzzle.

So give us your opinion on cod liver oil, vitamin A, clarithromycin and MMR. We can look at the data retrospectively like we now can on hydroxycloroquine and ivermectin. Your argument for those was that there was no other treatment. There no treatment for measles but there IS a vaccine. 
 

betting doesn’t count. There are plenty of US vaccine skeptics. Just look at this board…

Edited Friday at 07:32 PM by Joe Ferguson forever